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Looks like it's not his achilles after all
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I like you creep. But you can go fuck yourself with @DJDuck's covid-infected gas pump handle.
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I'm just sayin' ... I think it would be a pleasant turn of events.
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ZTF and Latu, man. Brutal.
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It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
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Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
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4 games, 7 sacks. Nobody cares about his playing time pre-2020 when he was a reserve who barely saw the field.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks -
RatherBeBrewing said:
It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
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I think Terrell Suggs sacked Cody Pickett about 14 times in the '02 game.
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Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded. -
I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a worse take on HH- and I’ve read all of backthepack and puppy’s posts.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks -
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded. -
I don't think a healthy ZTF is Terrell Suggs.
I do think he's a hell of a lot closer to Suggs than to Andrew Faoliu.
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He only got to play three games due to something called Covid-19, maybe you’ve heard of it?RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
It would be hard to imagine a pass rusher putting up more dominant stats over a three game stretch- and shit teams or not these were conference games not preseason cupcakes.
Nobody is extrapolating anything. You are the one comparing him to a mediocre starter by giving him zero stats over the remainder of a hypothetical season (and even so he still has 2x the production.) -
T-Suggs one of the BOATs, college or pro. Dude was a BEAST at ASU. Haven't seen one like that since.
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Not since the rugby playing fire dancing guy and feeney have we had such a tuff group of pass rushers so fuck off.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded. -
7 sacks in four conference games is a big deal. The guy was dominating. I get that you’re trolling a bit, but it’s not even a good effort.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks -
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games. -
Nobody here compared him to Suggs.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games. -
Agreed. It was a stat comparison just to make the point that ZTF's stat is notable. Suggs is a once in 25 years player. They literally don't make people that big and strong and fast and nimble very often.FremontTroll said:
Nobody here compared him to Suggs.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games. -
Suggs is surprising very slow. He’s an example of 49 times being overrated. ZTF is probably bigger, faster, and stronger.creepycoug said:
Agreed. It was a state comparison just to make the point that ZTF's stat is notable. Suggs is a once in 25 years player. They literally don't make people that big and strong and fast and nimble very often.FremontTroll said:
Nobody here compared him to Suggs.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games.
That said, Suggs is a hall of famer so yeah, the comparison is dumb. I don’t think anyone did compare them and just hoped ZTF recovered as quickly as Suggs did. -
The only Suggs comparison I saw was based on Suggs possibly having the same type of injury and coming back from it with very little drop off.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games. -
A dude who strung together a few really great games is likely to be a really good player.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games.
We agree he's not Suggs. No one directly compared him to Suggs, someone tweeted a stat where 2020 ZTF happens to be above everyone, including Suggs. Obviously we all know the sample is too small to make that kind of conclusion. But it's not too small to conclude he's really good and a significant loss. -
Yes, that was my point and the reason I brought up Suggs is because he's the best case scenario for ZTF continuing his career at a high level after he recovers. Achilles is the worst case scenario for him and few overcome it to be top-tier players again.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
The only Suggs comparison I saw was based on Suggs possibly having the same type of injury and coming back from it with very little drop off.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games. -
Kikaha comes to mind. Unfortunately it caught up to him after a few years starting in da leagueCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
The only Suggs comparison I saw was based on Suggs possibly having the same type of injury and coming back from it with very little drop off.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games. -
Wasn’t it always ACLs for Kikaha?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Kikaha comes to mind. Unfortunately it caught up to him after a few years starting in da leagueCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
The only Suggs comparison I saw was based on Suggs possibly having the same type of injury and coming back from it with very little drop off.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games. -
You’ll have to forgive this simpleton, I see a reply that shows ZTF statistics adjacent to statistics for Suggs and it makes me think it’s a comparison of their production. Crazy conclusion to come to, I know.FremontTroll said:
Nobody here compared him to Suggs.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games.
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No one is saying it’s not a big deal. It isn’t otherworldly. Just off the top of my head I can think of Nick Reed doing it, and getting a bunch more tackles in the process.RoadDawg55 said:
7 sacks in four conference games is a big dealRatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks -
I don’t think Jason Starrett posts here maybe find out if the Athletic has a message board.RatherBeBrewing said:
You’ll have to forgive this simpleton, I see a reply that shows ZTF statistics adjacent to statistics for Suggs and it makes me think it’s a comparison of their production. Crazy conclusion to come to, I know.FremontTroll said:
Nobody here compared him to Suggs.RatherBeBrewing said:
Sorry to hear about ZTF. All our hope that the injury was not serious didn’t seem to help.dnc said:
Butt see you weren't trying to have fun or you wouldn't have doubled down on the shit take.RatherBeBrewing said:
Jeez you guys can’t even have fun anymore. I’d hate to see what it would be like if he drowned.dnc said:
Considering all 7 of those sacks came in his last 4 games, along with 3 strip sacks (and a fourth called back to a BS penalty), yes.RatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
Context matters.
I think the poont is being missed. I believe ZTF is a great player. I don’t think he’s an All-American based off three games games, two of which came against shit teams. If it was his freshman year? Hell yeah. But he was in his third year in the program and has similar numbers to a guy who who got shooed off to Boise State.
Extrapolating numbers from three abortion season games and comparing him to Terrell Suggs is fucking retarded.
There wasn’t going to be doubling down until I saw a comparison of him and Suggs. That’s ridoogulous, be realistic. Until there’s a larger sample size he’s nothing more than a dude who strung together a few really great games. -
Why are we arguing about this again?
He’s gone so it doesn’t matter -
In conference games 3-6 not 1-4.RatherBeBrewing said:
No one is saying it’s not a big deal. It isn’t otherworldly. Just off the top of my head I can think of Nick Reed doing it, and getting a bunch more tackles in the process.RoadDawg55 said:
7 sacks in four conference games is a big dealRatherBeBrewing said:It seems like people *really* care about someone with 23 career tackles and 7 sacks.
Achilles guy: 11 games, 23 tackles, 7 TFL, 7 sacks
Andrew Faoliu: 12 games, 28 tackles, 4 TFL, 3 sacks
As a junior after starting 10 games as a sophomore
With zero forced fumbles (ZTF had three).
Nick Reed is also fourth all time in sacks in the conference and a two time first team All American. Hell ZTF forced more fumbles in his first four starts than a two time All American did his entire career.
You really proved ZTF is nothing special with that comp.
