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They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
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Doing a construction project at the palatial lodge - fuck me. The estimate came back almost 60% higher than in October and that's not entirely due to change orders. Contractor called and said he had to re-bid because material costs have gone up so much.DoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
Shutting down the supply chain will do that.
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Inflation is 2%.
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It’s almost as if more money, free money chasing the same goods causes prices to rise.
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One of the big builders here in Lefties stay the fuck out land is charging 403.00 a sqft for new construction. Almost 4x what it was 4 years ago.
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Chasing less supply in many micro instances. Inflation is out there in many unexpected cleverly hidden ways as well. Sizes of consumer products shrink in size to hold price or expand existing products to low utility or unneeded features to justify price increases.doogie said:It’s almost as if more money, free money chasing the same goods causes prices to rise.
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I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press.
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So the problem's been getting worse over the last 4 years?Sledog said:One of the big builders here in Lefties stay the fuck out land is charging 403.00 a sqft for new construction. Almost 4x what it was 4 years ago.
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Actually, Trump is not as guilty as anyone. Trump's proposed second stimulus was half that of the final Dem bill. That's an extra trillion that gets printed. The lockdown was all Fow Chee, a complicit MSM and dem governors. Drove by the soccer fields on Saturday and watched second graders playing with phucking masks on. Geezus.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press. -
Actually, you're skipping over the main issue like it's a side issue. Trump wanted the printing machines running 24/7 and freaked out at the suggestion of slowing it down. Everybody knows it. That's the main issue. It's been going on for a very long time. He didn't start it; but he sure af didn't want to end it, or even help it.WestlinnDuck said:
Actually, Trump is not as guilty as anyone. Trump's proposed second stimulus was half that of the final Dem bill. That's an extra trillion that gets printed. The lockdown was all Fow Chee, a complicit MSM and dem governors. Drove by the soccer fields on Saturday and watched second graders playing with phucking masks on. Geezus.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press.
Also, who did Fauci work for? Remind me. There will never be a cogent argument that washes Trump's hands of the virus completely. You put a Democratic POTUS in there during the same time, have him do the exact same things, and this place is losing its collective mind.
Stimulus is stupid. 100% politics. It does nothing but kick a large can down the road. So Trump's was half. Ok, who cares? So he's half as guilty on that one point.
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You've been whooshed.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press. -
Oh. You were kidding. Understood. Surprising since I've been told that defense is not admissible in the Tug.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
You've been whooshed.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press. -
Even Doogie gets to have fun from time to time.creepycoug said:
Oh. You were kidding. Understood. Surprising since I've been told that defense is not admissible in the Tug.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
You've been whooshed.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press. -
Trump signed the largest stimulus ever until Biden told him to hold his beer. Trying to give him a pass for that reckless spending is partisan dipshittery, of which you're quite adept at.WestlinnDuck said:
Actually, Trump is not as guilty as anyone. Trump's proposed second stimulus was half that of the final Dem bill. That's an extra trillion that gets printed. The lockdown was all Fow Chee, a complicit MSM and dem governors. Drove by the soccer fields on Saturday and watched second graders playing with phucking masks on. Geezus.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press. -
Very subtle since the regulars pounced on it with no hesitationDoogieMcDoogerson said:
You've been whooshed.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press. -
Supply and demand. New Home Construction is at a ten year high. Combine that with people using stimulus money for home improvements instead of vacations, and you have a large shortage of lumber.
I was looking to extend my attack floor for storage, until I saw the cost of 1/2" plywood sheets. I'm going to wait until next year -
Probably says more about what people feel about my opinions than about themselves. Oh well. Doogie gonna doog.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Very subtle since the regulars pounced on it with no hesitationDoogieMcDoogerson said:
You've been whooshed.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press. -
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THIS is the kind of inflation I worry about. Belongs on the Finance board IMO. @RaceBannon ?SpoonieLuv said:
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One good thing about living in a city full of liars and financial retards is that I've already experienced most of this inflation with a $19 per hour average minimum wage ("hazard pay," you see), thieving teens and twenty-something Antifa types along with homeless drug addicts stealing our grocery and drug stores blind. Add skyrocketing insurance premiums for all the left and destruction, and we've seen inflation and cost-of-living increasesof about 10% per year for the last 5 years. Don't forget those property tax increases and bullshit like "democracy vouchers."
Amazing how a progressive city that whines constantly about an "affordability crisis" can't take its foot off the very accelerator that's causing the COL to skyrocket. -
Not quite...Trump screamed when the Fed decided to shrink its balance sheet in 2018 while he was President when they decide to play fast and loose for the 9 years before. Amazing timing that. Balance sheet was basically flat from 2015 to 2018.creepycoug said:
Actually, you're skipping over the main issue like it's a side issue. Trump wanted the printing machines running 24/7 and freaked out at the suggestion of slowing it down. Everybody knows it. That's the main issue. It's been going on for a very long time. He didn't start it; but he sure af didn't want to end it, or even help it.WestlinnDuck said:
Actually, Trump is not as guilty as anyone. Trump's proposed second stimulus was half that of the final Dem bill. That's an extra trillion that gets printed. The lockdown was all Fow Chee, a complicit MSM and dem governors. Drove by the soccer fields on Saturday and watched second graders playing with phucking masks on. Geezus.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press.
Also, who did Fauci work for? Remind me. There will never be a cogent argument that washes Trump's hands of the virus completely. You put a Democratic POTUS in there during the same time, have him do the exact same things, and this place is losing its collective mind.
Stimulus is stupid. 100% politics. It does nothing but kick a large can down the road. So Trump's was half. Ok, who cares? So he's half as guilty on that one point.
Agree stimulus is stupid, especially because it cascaded to truly shitty Pandemic policy. He spent like a drunken sailor, but he had a booming economy that allowed it (any recession would have been a massive problem). And Trump was truly shitty about dealing with a bureaucracy hell-bent on getting rid of him...amazing for a guy who got famous for firing people. -
Here I though a thread about eight 8” studs would at least get a token appearance from @Doog_de_Jour.
Oops. 8 feet. Damn. That’s some WOOD! -
To plagiarize the amazing Mae West: forget about the 2x4s, tell me about the 8”. 😉PurpleThrobber said:Here I though a thread about eight 8” studs would at least get a token appearance from @Doog_de_Jour.
Oops. 8 feet. Damn. That’s some WOOD! -
Totally agree. I think Trump was like “you’re going to do this now? On my watch? Fuck off.”HoustonHusky said:
Not quite...Trump screamed when the Fed decided to shrink its balance sheet in 2018 while he was President when they decide to play fast and loose for the 9 years before. Amazing timing that. Balance sheet was basically flat from 2015 to 2018.creepycoug said:
Actually, you're skipping over the main issue like it's a side issue. Trump wanted the printing machines running 24/7 and freaked out at the suggestion of slowing it down. Everybody knows it. That's the main issue. It's been going on for a very long time. He didn't start it; but he sure af didn't want to end it, or even help it.WestlinnDuck said:
Actually, Trump is not as guilty as anyone. Trump's proposed second stimulus was half that of the final Dem bill. That's an extra trillion that gets printed. The lockdown was all Fow Chee, a complicit MSM and dem governors. Drove by the soccer fields on Saturday and watched second graders playing with phucking masks on. Geezus.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press.
Also, who did Fauci work for? Remind me. There will never be a cogent argument that washes Trump's hands of the virus completely. You put a Democratic POTUS in there during the same time, have him do the exact same things, and this place is losing its collective mind.
Stimulus is stupid. 100% politics. It does nothing but kick a large can down the road. So Trump's was half. Ok, who cares? So he's half as guilty on that one point.
Agree stimulus is stupid, especially because it cascaded to truly shitty Pandemic policy. He spent like a drunken sailor, but he had a booming economy that allowed it (any recession would have been a massive problem). And Trump was truly shitty about dealing with a bureaucracy hell-bent on getting rid of him...amazing for a guy who got famous for firing people.
But like we said in the club, no pres wants to be at the plate when what has to be done is done. My main point is, money printing isn’t a real policy differentiator. My lesser point is that Trump can’t be 100% absolved for COVID for reasons we’ve already litigated here. -
Trump's a fag. You're all fags. That being said I'd marry into your families. Specifically the creep and the Throbber.creepycoug said:
Totally agree. I think Trump was like “you’re going to do this now? On my watch? Fuck off.”HoustonHusky said:
Not quite...Trump screamed when the Fed decided to shrink its balance sheet in 2018 while he was President when they decide to play fast and loose for the 9 years before. Amazing timing that. Balance sheet was basically flat from 2015 to 2018.creepycoug said:
Actually, you're skipping over the main issue like it's a side issue. Trump wanted the printing machines running 24/7 and freaked out at the suggestion of slowing it down. Everybody knows it. That's the main issue. It's been going on for a very long time. He didn't start it; but he sure af didn't want to end it, or even help it.WestlinnDuck said:
Actually, Trump is not as guilty as anyone. Trump's proposed second stimulus was half that of the final Dem bill. That's an extra trillion that gets printed. The lockdown was all Fow Chee, a complicit MSM and dem governors. Drove by the soccer fields on Saturday and watched second graders playing with phucking masks on. Geezus.creepycoug said:
I don't mean to get in the way of your fun, but this is not a nearly perfect explanation. Lumber prices began increasing in Q1 2020. Then COVID happened and they dropped sharply in April - a very temporary state of affairs. Then with unprecedented increases in demand in the repair/remodel market in the spring, prices began to take off and have been climbing since. The free money for buying houses Americans can't afford has certainly helped that along, and here we are. The largest producers of wood products file these reports with the SEC where they not only provide their financial results for the prior period, but they explain the economic drivers and context of that performance and discuss expectations in this thing called Management's Discussion and Analysis. Here's where you can find them: www.sec.govDoogieMcDoogerson said:They were almost $8 bucks a board. This is Joe Biden's economy. Boards were a third the price under Trump.
You can find a lot of things to fault with Biden; this isn't really one of them. Wood products are commodities and their history is one of boom and bust. We're in boom right now, and that didn't start 2021. Trump publicly shit a chicken when the Fed even hinted at a rate hike. He's as guilty as anyone with the money printing press.
Also, who did Fauci work for? Remind me. There will never be a cogent argument that washes Trump's hands of the virus completely. You put a Democratic POTUS in there during the same time, have him do the exact same things, and this place is losing its collective mind.
Stimulus is stupid. 100% politics. It does nothing but kick a large can down the road. So Trump's was half. Ok, who cares? So he's half as guilty on that one point.
Agree stimulus is stupid, especially because it cascaded to truly shitty Pandemic policy. He spent like a drunken sailor, but he had a booming economy that allowed it (any recession would have been a massive problem). And Trump was truly shitty about dealing with a bureaucracy hell-bent on getting rid of him...amazing for a guy who got famous for firing people.
But like we said in the club, no pres wants to be at the plate when what has to be done is done. My main point is, money printing isn’t a real policy differentiator. My lesser point is that Trump can’t be 100% absolved for COVID for reasons we’ve already litigated here.
