Anyone want to provide a rebuttal to her tweets? @thechatch claims he wants to hear all arguments.
A rebuttle to her inchohency and whining? I'm curious how many millions more will be good for you? What should our population be 500,000,000 or a billion? In my opinion, the solution is not opening our borders to whoever wants to come in. If the United States is so racist and horrible, why are our own downtrodden not looking for a better life somewhere else on the planet? Why do billions of minorities all want to live here? Governments are corrupt all over the planet and ours is devolving every day. The only solution is to support the constitution and demand legitimate elections but that's the last thing the left wants.
I agree with you. We simply can't allow these influxes of illegal immigrants and it's a matter of basic sovereignty. I also don't know what the "optimal" number is. We're at about 10m illegal immigrants right now, which is actually a decrease of nearly 2m of the last decade. Is 10m still too high? Does that number create a material detriment to our country? I haven't seen anything convincing that demonstrates that impact one way or another.
But step 1 for me has always been to agree on a number, and then do everything we can to enforce that number. Ideally that can be accomplished with stricter border enforcement (yes that includes a bigger wall) which would necessitate fewer deportations (I'm generally not a fan of breaking up otherwise law-abiding families who are already here if it can be avoided). Then you have the question of how do you enforce the influx when they do cross the border. And the unaccompanied children debacle is a doozy. At a certain level Trump's no-nonsense stance was an effective deterrent, and a hell of a lot better than the incoherent policy that Biden is deploying. But I'm still a bleeding heart classical liberal and I don't like kids in cages. Or at least not our cages. Make Mexico build the damn facilities and house them there. I don't know. But it's a clusterfuck no matter how you slice it, and as long as our Central American friends remain mired in corruption and incompetence the supply issue is going to continue to be a problem.
How do we know the 10mm figure is accurate? I've read that number could be as high as 25mm. In regard to the humanity and compassion we should have I agree with you as well. All of us would do the same to improve our own lives if we were in their shoes. Central and South America have plenty of natural resources to be competitive in a free market economy but corrupt and oppressive governments stand in the way.
All the result of US Imperialism and White Supremacy, says AOC.
Anyone want to provide a rebuttal to her tweets? @thechatch claims he wants to hear all arguments.
A rebuttle to her inchohency and whining? I'm curious how many millions more will be good for you? What should our population be 500,000,000 or a billion? In my opinion, the solution is not opening our borders to whoever wants to come in. If the United States is so racist and horrible, why are our own downtrodden not looking for a better life somewhere else on the planet? Why do billions of minorities all want to live here? Governments are corrupt all over the planet and ours is devolving every day. The only solution is to support the constitution and demand legitimate elections but that's the last thing the left wants.
I agree with you. We simply can't allow these influxes of illegal immigrants and it's a matter of basic sovereignty. I also don't know what the "optimal" number is. We're at about 10m illegal immigrants right now, which is actually a decrease of nearly 2m of the last decade. Is 10m still too high? Does that number create a material detriment to our country? I haven't seen anything convincing that demonstrates that impact one way or another.
But step 1 for me has always been to agree on a number, and then do everything we can to enforce that number. Ideally that can be accomplished with stricter border enforcement (yes that includes a bigger wall) which would necessitate fewer deportations (I'm generally not a fan of breaking up otherwise law-abiding families who are already here if it can be avoided). Then you have the question of how do you enforce the influx when they do cross the border. And the unaccompanied children debacle is a doozy. At a certain level Trump's no-nonsense stance was an effective deterrent, and a hell of a lot better than the incoherent policy that Biden is deploying. But I'm still a bleeding heart classical liberal and I don't like kids in cages. Or at least not our cages. Make Mexico build the damn facilities and house them there. I don't know. But it's a clusterfuck no matter how you slice it, and as long as our Central American friends remain mired in corruption and incompetence the supply issue is going to continue to be a problem.
How do we know the 10mm figure is accurate? I've read that number could be as high as 25mm. In regard to the humanity and compassion we should have I agree with you as well. All of us would do the same to improve our own lives if we were in their shoes. Central and South America have plenty of natural resources to be competitive in a free market economy but corrupt and oppressive governments stand in the way.
Easy solution. Turn the US into an oppressive and corrupt government. Then we would be competitive with Guatemala with no reason to immigrate to the US.
Didn't 81 million people just vote for that?
What are CRT and Equity but total corrupting forces that undermine competence and meritocracy?
People were being apprehended and returned. They weren't being held in cages.
Only through emergency Covid measures. That’s your long term border solution?
Build the wall, force people to apply for asylum in their home countries, end illegal immigration. That's my solution and it was a solution that was working.
Why do we need a wall if Trump completely stopped them from coming without it?
Why do you fuck strawman ass and worship a dumb Kunt like AOC?
Didn’t answer the question.
You didn't ask a question. You fucked strawman ass and expect a response. I never said that Trump completely stopped all illegal immigration. That's a strawman you created because you're dumb as dog shit and equally dishonest. It's what you do all the time here.
Take it up with your teammates that absolutely said it.
Fuck off, I'm responsible for what I say. You should try living up to that standard. You quoted me when you asked your "question" and I never claimed that Trump stop all illegal immigration. So fuck off.
This is the convenient part of having no ideology. You can say Trump didn’t stop it, they can say he did. You can complain about population growth, they can complain about Americans not having as many kids. One team, random messaging to give you all sides of an argument. But me and AOC are responsible for everything Biden does.
As long as you run cover for it, yes you are
Nothing in your rants here addresses the tragedy of the idiot you voted for fucking up the border
Whataboutism and Trump Trump Trump aren't going to cut it
You occupy the moral low ground here. That's your ideology - open borders no matter the cost
And I am not going to be complicit in the misery that brings
I voted for the guy that had the solution
Under Trump it was fine. Under Biden it’s a tragedy. When you have no ideology, it’s all about scoring politics points.
And he got so much bipartisan support for his "wall thing." I'm thinking that the wall could have actually worked if it was funded. I am old enough to remember when we were arguing about some cost less than 10 billion. Pocket change now.
A week later the dnc comes up with the old root cause talking point
Fuck off and own your cruelty
Kids in cages don't give a fuck about some twats tweets
Trump used emergency measures with Covid to empty them. But border apprehensions went up in each of Trump’s last 8 months to reach levels higher than Obama ever had (for the second time).
His policy and wall wasn’t working. The short term Covid solution only served to give you a talking point.
Trump “emptied” them after filling them.
And he’d be filling them again now, as his final 8 months in office shows, if he hadn’t lost. His border policy wasn’t stopping people, Covid did.
AOC is talking about real long term solution, not temporarily emptying cages to score political points. You may loathe the idea of letting in even one migrant but you can either debate the issue or post the picture of her at the border for the 100th time.
People were being apprehended and returned. They weren't being held in cages.
Only through emergency Covid measures. That’s your long term border solution?
Build the wall, force people to apply for asylum in their home countries, end illegal immigration. That's my solution and it was a solution that was working.
Why do we need a wall if Trump completely stopped them from coming without it?
Why do you fuck strawman ass and worship a dumb Kunt like AOC?
Didn’t answer the question.
You didn't ask a question. You fucked strawman ass and expect a response. I never said that Trump completely stopped all illegal immigration. That's a strawman you created because you're dumb as dog shit and equally dishonest. It's what you do all the time here.
Take it up with your teammates that absolutely said it.
Fuck off, I'm responsible for what I say. You should try living up to that standard. You quoted me when you asked your "question" and I never claimed that Trump stop all illegal immigration. So fuck off.
This is the convenient part of having no ideology. You can say Trump didn’t stop it, they can say he did. You can complain about population growth, they can complain about Americans not having as many kids. One team, random messaging to give you all sides of an argument. But me and AOC are responsible for everything Biden does.
Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism. At least it's an ethos.
If you want to continue to deny climate change, that’s fine, but there is no denying how bad the storms were last year. Are you seriously prepared to argue this has no impact on people migrating here?
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What are CRT and Equity but total corrupting forces that undermine competence and meritocracy?
blame the Kennedys, especially the one that can't drive
Edit: she isn't popping off, she is spouting off shit
TIA