Welcome to the Hardcore Husky Forums. Folks who are well-known in Cyberland and not that dumb.

Bank Stocks. Who do you like?

EwaDawg
EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,338
edited May 2022 in Tug Tavern
Of the big four - all have been recently downgraded. BAC and JPM by Morgan Stanley and WFC by another lesser known (to me) analyst.

These three were not just downgraded from buy or overweight, to hold, but identified as sell or underweight.

It also looks like one of seven analysts that I follow has downgraded C from a buy to a hold.

I have loaded up on bank stocks over the past few months (now at 10 % + return) and am noticing that most have backslid a little in the past few weeks.

SBNY is the only regional ? bank that I have ever owned and it looks more attractive than 2 of the 4 big banks.

What financial institutions do you like that are smaller than the big 4?

I've set some trailing stop sell orders for JPM and BAC (at 1.5%) and will likely take some profits soon.

Would you reinvest in other financial institutions or leave the segment with the proceeds?

This was discussed a few weeks ago but the above has happened since. Is any of this related to the (recent) wealth destroying block trades?

Thanks for any input.

Comments

  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    I'd weigh in but Creeper Coug will either delete or alter my post. Good luck the rest of the way.
  • USMChawk
    USMChawk Member Posts: 1,800
    I used to own WAFD but sold it long ago. It’s a solid, but not glamorous, stock.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068
    Baseman said:

    I'd weigh in but Creeper Coug will either delete or alter my post. Good luck the rest of the way.

    By all means, weigh in. You're of course welcome here. If you stopped by to continue pouting, I'll just say, not the best look and leave it at that.

  • Doog_de_Jour
    Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    I got two hot ones for you:




  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,126 Standard Supporter
    Fuck Wells Fargo.

    That is all.

  • godawgst
    godawgst Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,554 Swaye's Wigwam
    Biggest % upside is still WFC 20-25%, but you get no dividend from them as a fyi

    JPM best ran but at current valuation, will go up/down as market goes.

    BAC/C fully valued imo

    Sold Majority of bank stocks last 6 weeks. Will sell last 1/2 position of C when it gets to mid 70's.

    WIll keep last 1/2 position WFC b/c of capital gains reasons thru rest of 2021.

  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    Last year I sold my airlines stocks at a massive loss and rolled into banks (BAC, C, and JPM) mostly in my IRAs.

    If you hold banks in a taxable account, I'd hold or trim a small portion. If you owned less than a year you're going to have to achieve a 28% higher gain on your next investment to break even.

    Ive pared 5% of my BAC and am holding on Citi which I think has room to run. Currently, Citi trades at 8x next years earnings and the banks are sitting on massive sums they can deploy once the govt. releases the moratorium on share buybacks and dividend increases.

    I talked with a senior exec with Columbia last week who reported they've seen very few delinquencies as a percentage related to Covid. Even residential landlords not receiving rent are keeping current.

    That said, the short-term upside opportunity in banks is low.

  • godawgst
    godawgst Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,554 Swaye's Wigwam
    Baseman said:

    Last year I sold my airlines stocks at a massive loss and rolled into banks (BAC, C, and JPM) mostly in my IRAs.

    If you hold banks in a taxable account, I'd hold or trim a small portion. If you owned less than a year you're going to have to achieve a 28% higher gain on your next investment to break even.

    Ive pared 5% of my BAC and am holding on Citi which I think has room to run. Currently, Citi trades at 8x next years earnings and the banks are sitting on massive sums they can deploy once the govt. releases the moratorium on share buybacks and dividend increases.

    I talked with a senior exec with Columbia last week who reported they've seen very few delinquencies as a percentage related to Covid. Even residential landlords not receiving rent are keeping current.

    That said, the short-term upside opportunity in banks is low.

    C book value is somewhere between 70-80 I believe. They have had a string of CEO's last 20 years that have had difficulty moving the stock vs. other banks and rest of market. Maybe the new one has the magic touch. To say they have alot of moving pieces to try and manage is a understatement.

    Gov't is supposed to release the moratorium on buy backs and dividend increases in June. Events like those have generally produced after hour pops in the stocks, and a bump the next day in the market, but week later my experience shows them closer to back where they were trading b4 the announcement.

    You trading in your IRA to avoid Capital Gains is a Genius move. Great idea.
  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    edited April 2021
    godawgst said:

    Baseman said:

    Last year I sold my airlines stocks at a massive loss and rolled into banks (BAC, C, and JPM) mostly in my IRAs.

    If you hold banks in a taxable account, I'd hold or trim a small portion. If you owned less than a year you're going to have to achieve a 28% higher gain on your next investment to break even.

    Ive pared 5% of my BAC and am holding on Citi which I think has room to run. Currently, Citi trades at 8x next years earnings and the banks are sitting on massive sums they can deploy once the govt. releases the moratorium on share buybacks and dividend increases.

    I talked with a senior exec with Columbia last week who reported they've seen very few delinquencies as a percentage related to Covid. Even residential landlords not receiving rent are keeping current.

    That said, the short-term upside opportunity in banks is low.

    C book value is somewhere between 70-80 I believe. They have had a string of CEO's last 20 years that have had difficulty moving the stock vs. other banks and rest of market. Maybe the new one has the magic touch. To say they have alot of moving pieces to try and manage is a understatement.

    Gov't is supposed to release the moratorium on buy backs and dividend increases in June. Events like those have generally produced after hour pops in the stocks, and a bump the next day in the market, but week later my experience shows them closer to back where they were trading b4 the announcement.

    You trading in your IRA to avoid Capital Gains is a Genius move. Great idea.
    That's how Warren Buffett has crushed the SP the past 40 years through avoiding capital gains and redeploying the cash flow into new businesses.

    Use your taxable accounts for long term hold growth stocks that pay little or no dividends. QQQ, Berkshire Hathaway, Google, Amazon, etc.