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  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,441
    jecornel said:

    How many months do you have set aside if you lost all incoming monies?

    Any way to protect emergency funds from inflation? online savings accounts are shit. If you never use it and it just sat there for 15 years you lost a lot of potentials gains by investing.

    Ramit Sethi is adamant to build up a year of emergency cash.

    I've pretty much lived my entire life without an emergency fund. Once I bought a house I considered my Heloc to be my emergency fund.

    But if I was forced to have one (with a gun to my head) I would take 18 months of salary and put it all into blue chip stocks or ETFs. Less is more here. The fewer you hold the better you can screen and the fewer companies that you have to continue researching.

    I've done this several times with money I was holding for short term use.

    Set trailing stop losses (10 %) on each security and review the holdings once per month.

    Never, ever reinvest proceeds from a sale triggered by a stop loss order the same month.

    Also, if the market ever loses 10% (or more) in a day - review your holdings that night.

    If the fund ever is less than 75% of the starting investment ( or its high point )- then sell everything. Hold the cash which will be more than 12 months of salary even if you are the worst market timer in the history of the US stock market.

    You can tell that I loathe unproductive capital. And, I am willing to risk a little of it to ensure that none of it is idle.

    Bottom line is that the US stock market almost always bounces back fast. And, it has really done little but trend up for its entire life with a couple of blips along the way. Even the 20% Black Monday (1987) one day drop was recovered in just a couple of years.

    Idle cash is like an empty airline seat. Once the door is shut that potential revenue (for an unfilled seat) is gone forever.









  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,773 Founders Club
    All I’m hearing is stock and cash.

    I’ve got 6 months set aside of which half is precious metals and a quarter is physical cash in a safe. Seems like inflation is inevitable, and zero interest savings/checking feels like negative 3%.

    Anyone else have inflation resistant ideas?
  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,441



    All I’m hearing is stock and cash.

    I’ve got 6 months set aside of which half is precious metals and a quarter is physical cash in a safe. Seems like inflation is inevitable, and zero interest savings/checking feels like negative 3%.

    Anyone else have inflation resistant ideas?

    You are seeing stocks and cash because those are the only serious options.

    My wife got a mid six figure payout from her mom's estate about half a year ago. I did some extensive research and found nothing at all offered by any financial institution/brokerage/etc that I contacted.

    We have plans for that money but very little immediately.

    If any one has other ideas I would love to hear them.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,354
    EwaDawg said:

    jecornel said:

    How many months do you have set aside if you lost all incoming monies?

    Any way to protect emergency funds from inflation? online savings accounts are shit. If you never use it and it just sat there for 15 years you lost a lot of potentials gains by investing.

    Ramit Sethi is adamant to build up a year of emergency cash.

    I've pretty much lived my entire life without an emergency fund. Once I bought a house I considered my Heloc to be my emergency fund.

    But if I was forced to have one (with a gun to my head) I would take 18 months of salary and put it all into blue chip stocks or ETFs. Less is more here. The fewer you hold the better you can screen and the fewer companies that you have to continue researching.

    I've done this several times with money I was holding for short term use.

    Set trailing stop losses (10 %) on each security and review the holdings once per month.

    Never, ever reinvest proceeds from a sale triggered by a stop loss order the same month.

    Also, if the market ever loses 10% (or more) in a day - review your holdings that night.

    If the fund ever is less than 75% of the starting investment ( or its high point )- then sell everything. Hold the cash which will be more than 12 months of salary even if you are the worst market timer in the history of the US stock market.

    You can tell that I loathe unproductive capital. And, I am willing to risk a little of it to ensure that none of it is idle.

    Bottom line is that the US stock market almost always bounces back fast. And, it has really done little but trend up for its entire life with a couple of blips along the way. Even the 20% Black Monday (1987) one day drop was recovered in just a couple of years.

    Idle cash is like an empty airline seat. Once the door is shut that potential revenue (for an unfilled seat) is gone forever.









    Great post.
  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,441

    EwaDawg said:

    jecornel said:

    How many months do you have set aside if you lost all incoming monies?

    Any way to protect emergency funds from inflation? online savings accounts are shit. If you never use it and it just sat there for 15 years you lost a lot of potentials gains by investing.

    Ramit Sethi is adamant to build up a year of emergency cash.

    I've pretty much lived my entire life without an emergency fund. Once I bought a house I considered my Heloc to be my emergency fund.

    But if I was forced to have one (with a gun to my head) I would take 18 months of salary and put it all into blue chip stocks or ETFs. Less is more here. The fewer you hold the better you can screen and the fewer companies that you have to continue researching.

    I've done this several times with money I was holding for short term use.

    Set trailing stop losses (10 %) on each security and review the holdings once per month.

    Never, ever reinvest proceeds from a sale triggered by a stop loss order the same month.

    Also, if the market ever loses 10% (or more) in a day - review your holdings that night.

    If the fund ever is less than 75% of the starting investment ( or its high point )- then sell everything. Hold the cash which will be more than 12 months of salary even if you are the worst market timer in the history of the US stock market.

    You can tell that I loathe unproductive capital. And, I am willing to risk a little of it to ensure that none of it is idle.

    Bottom line is that the US stock market almost always bounces back fast. And, it has really done little but trend up for its entire life with a couple of blips along the way. Even the 20% Black Monday (1987) one day drop was recovered in just a couple of years.

    Idle cash is like an empty airline seat. Once the door is shut that potential revenue (for an unfilled seat) is gone forever.









    Great post.
    I forgot to say you need discipline. In spades.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,354
    edited March 2021
    Also a great post @Tequilla . There are a few things in there we should unpack. Especially your thoughts on retirement.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,019
    edited March 2021
    The idea of an emergency fund is good, but the idea you need to have a year’s worth of cash around I view as an out-of-date concept. 50 years ago when interest rates were high and credit/cash was hard to come by that was one thing, but in this day and age when cash is easy and most assets are somewhat liquid
    EwaDawg said:

    jecornel said:

    How many months do you have set aside if you lost all incoming monies?

    Any way to protect emergency funds from inflation? online savings accounts are shit. If you never use it and it just sat there for 15 years you lost a lot of potentials gains by investing.

    Ramit Sethi is adamant to build up a year of emergency cash.

    I've pretty much lived my entire life without an emergency fund. Once I bought a house I considered my Heloc to be my emergency fund.

    But if I was forced to have one (with a gun to my head) I would take 18 months of salary and put it all into blue chip stocks or ETFs. Less is more here. The fewer you hold the better you can screen and the fewer companies that you have to continue researching.

    I've done this several times with money I was holding for short term use.

    Set trailing stop losses (10 %) on each security and review the holdings once per month.

    Never, ever reinvest proceeds from a sale triggered by a stop loss order the same month.

    Also, if the market ever loses 10% (or more) in a day - review your holdings that night.

    If the fund ever is less than 75% of the starting investment ( or its high point )- then sell everything. Hold the cash which will be more than 12 months of salary even if you are the worst market timer in the history of the US stock market.

    You can tell that I loathe unproductive capital. And, I am willing to risk a little of it to ensure that none of it is idle.

    Bottom line is that the US stock market almost always bounces back fast. And, it has really done little but trend up for its entire life with a couple of blips along the way. Even the 20% Black Monday (1987) one day drop was recovered in just a couple of years.

    Idle cash is like an empty airline seat. Once the door is shut that potential revenue (for an unfilled seat) is gone forever.









    Agree with much of this...a lot of the hold cash assumptions were set for a different time when the Fed wasn’t pumping money and banks weren’t looking for any reason to lend. If you have decent assets...significant 401k, retirement savings, house equity, etc...why keep cash on the side when you have a million and one ways to access cash to live if you need it for a year or more? Especially if you aren’t over aggressive on your investments (ie have 100% of your life savings in GME).

    Back when you had a broker who had a paper trail to sell stocks and it took time to transfer money and people cared about credit for a home mortgage much less a frowned upon cash out refinance sure...keep a good chunk of change in case you need it. Now if you have assets everyone is tripping over themselves to lend/give you more money...it’s kinda nuts but it’s the current reality and it can’t change on a dime. I’m not saying live month to month but holding a year’s worth of living expenses in cash getting 0% seems way too conservative.

    Now watch everything crash tomorrow just to show this is a bad take...