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The Dream of the '90s Died in Portland
GrundleStiltzkin
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This article, man, wow.
Burke and I were speaking in front of a bakery she'd started in Portland's Kenton neighborhood. To help offset the financial ruination of COVID, local businesses had a few weeks earlier created a walking plaza, complete with outdoor seating and street art. Within the week, the plaza was ransacked and set ablaze by activists, on the run from police whose nearby union hall they'd just set on fire for the umpteenth time.
"As people of color, this is not our way of getting the message across, by tearing up other people's stuff," says Terrance Moses, head of the Kenton Business Association. "The fact of the matter is that these are young white kids destroying people's property to try and get a message across that they think is what black people want to hear."
Moses, who grew up in Kenton and who, with his adult son, physically stood in front of businesses in the neighborhood when the ransacking continued a second night, asked to meet with the activists. "'Put down your violence, come join us, and let's really get the message across,'" he says he told them. "Nobody has asked to sit down with me. All they do is just continue to argue. Some say, 'You don't get nothing the peaceful way. We've been trying the peaceful way for 30 years.'"
"I can completely see where the neighbors are upset in Kenton," one activist said following the plaza fire. "The [business owners] are saying, 'We tried to make this great area for everybody with these picnic tables. We spent time with our own materials building this, and then you burned it to make a statement to the police. And you're hurting one of the traditionally black neighborhoods in Portland, too.' So it's a little counterproductive. But there's also that stance of, well, we're here. And if we don't make this noise and respond with the violence we're being presented with from the police, then no change is going to come."
"As people of color, this is not our way of getting the message across, by tearing up other people's stuff," says Terrance Moses, head of the Kenton Business Association. "The fact of the matter is that these are young white kids destroying people's property to try and get a message across that they think is what black people want to hear."
Moses, who grew up in Kenton and who, with his adult son, physically stood in front of businesses in the neighborhood when the ransacking continued a second night, asked to meet with the activists. "'Put down your violence, come join us, and let's really get the message across,'" he says he told them. "Nobody has asked to sit down with me. All they do is just continue to argue. Some say, 'You don't get nothing the peaceful way. We've been trying the peaceful way for 30 years.'"
"I can completely see where the neighbors are upset in Kenton," one activist said following the plaza fire. "The [business owners] are saying, 'We tried to make this great area for everybody with these picnic tables. We spent time with our own materials building this, and then you burned it to make a statement to the police. And you're hurting one of the traditionally black neighborhoods in Portland, too.' So it's a little counterproductive. But there's also that stance of, well, we're here. And if we don't make this noise and respond with the violence we're being presented with from the police, then no change is going to come."
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Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
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Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
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What's important is that people here on the board like him and that he and Flea have become close friends.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Now imagine that your life is so pathetic you value your "friendship" with a lightweight fucking moron like Flea. -
ObsessedSFGbob said:
What's important is that people here on the board like him and that he and Flea have become close friends.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Now imagine that your life is so pathetic you value your "friendship" with a lightweight fucking moron like Flea. -
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work from home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime. -
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime. -
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime. -
greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work from home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime.
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Welp, this thread was DOA.
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The problem is that they want to treat the entire country like Portland and Seattle. They aren't stopping until we all bend the knee.
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Cool city, man!
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Then Portland also has the "right" to have their fucking asses sued.greenblood said:
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime. -
I’m sure that would work...SFGbob said:
Then Portland also has the "right" to have their fucking asses sued.greenblood said:
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime.
If you really want to stick it to them, move across the bridge to Vancouver. Take away their tax revenue. -
Why not both?greenblood said:
I’m sure that would work...SFGbob said:
Then Portland also has the "right" to have their fucking asses sued.greenblood said:
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime.
If you really want to stick it to them, move across the bridge to Vancouver. Take away their tax revenue. -
Keep fighting the good fight is all you can doGrundleStiltzkin said:Welp, this thread was DOA.
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Suing won't work. Sue that they don't have enough police force? Good luck with that.SFGbob said:
Why not both?greenblood said:
I’m sure that would work...SFGbob said:
Then Portland also has the "right" to have their fucking asses sued.greenblood said:
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime.
If you really want to stick it to them, move across the bridge to Vancouver. Take away their tax revenue.
Just move like the thousands that are currently leaving. That's how you solve the problem. Let the homeless and hipsters bottom feed in the downtown area. Portland is just behind the curve. Cities like Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati have already completed that transition. Cities like Los Angeles are in the midst, and look for Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco to follow suit. -
Reed College grads are a fun bunch. I know a few
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Reed had a good Rugby team back in the day. The rest of the school seemed questionable.
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No, sue that they refuse to use their police to protect business owners.greenblood said:
Suing won't work. Sue that they don't have enough police force? Good luck with that.SFGbob said:
Why not both?greenblood said:
I’m sure that would work...SFGbob said:
Then Portland also has the "right" to have their fucking asses sued.greenblood said:
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime.
If you really want to stick it to them, move across the bridge to Vancouver. Take away their tax revenue.
Just move like the thousands that are currently leaving. That's how you solve the problem. Let the homeless and hipsters bottom feed in the downtown area. Portland is just behind the curve. Cities like Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati have already completed that transition. Cities like Los Angeles are in the midst, and look for Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco to follow suit. -
Please show where that has workedSFGbob said:
No, sue that they refuse to use their police to protect business owners.greenblood said:
Suing won't work. Sue that they don't have enough police force? Good luck with that.SFGbob said:
Why not both?greenblood said:
I’m sure that would work...SFGbob said:
Then Portland also has the "right" to have their fucking asses sued.greenblood said:
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime.
If you really want to stick it to them, move across the bridge to Vancouver. Take away their tax revenue.
Just move like the thousands that are currently leaving. That's how you solve the problem. Let the homeless and hipsters bottom feed in the downtown area. Portland is just behind the curve. Cities like Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati have already completed that transition. Cities like Los Angeles are in the midst, and look for Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco to follow suit. -
Let's see what happens with the case.greenblood said:
Please show where that has workedSFGbob said:
No, sue that they refuse to use their police to protect business owners.greenblood said:
Suing won't work. Sue that they don't have enough police force? Good luck with that.SFGbob said:
Why not both?greenblood said:
I’m sure that would work...SFGbob said:
Then Portland also has the "right" to have their fucking asses sued.greenblood said:
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime.
If you really want to stick it to them, move across the bridge to Vancouver. Take away their tax revenue.
Just move like the thousands that are currently leaving. That's how you solve the problem. Let the homeless and hipsters bottom feed in the downtown area. Portland is just behind the curve. Cities like Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati have already completed that transition. Cities like Los Angeles are in the midst, and look for Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco to follow suit.
https://www.newsweek.com/federal-judge-allows-21-businesses-sue-seattle-over-harms-caused-chop-1539990 -
Perfect. In all honesty, I think 21 business are going to lose even more moneySFGbob said:
Let's see what happens with the case.greenblood said:
Please show where that has workedSFGbob said:
No, sue that they refuse to use their police to protect business owners.greenblood said:
Suing won't work. Sue that they don't have enough police force? Good luck with that.SFGbob said:
Why not both?greenblood said:
I’m sure that would work...SFGbob said:
Then Portland also has the "right" to have their fucking asses sued.greenblood said:
Who's in charge of the police force? So yes. The federal government has zero jurisdiction for people's private property within in a individual state and especially a city. Kate Brown could crack down, but she won't. The federal government only has jurisdiction on it's own property and employees. In the end, this is a Wheeler and Brown issue.SFGbob said:
Portland has the "right" to allow other people's private property to be destroyed?greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland. This remote work for home is no longer a fad, this will become the new norm for corporations going forward. Companies can save on rental space, and workers no longer need to live in the city. People think it's bad now, Portland hasn't even reached halftime.
If you really want to stick it to them, move across the bridge to Vancouver. Take away their tax revenue.
Just move like the thousands that are currently leaving. That's how you solve the problem. Let the homeless and hipsters bottom feed in the downtown area. Portland is just behind the curve. Cities like Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati have already completed that transition. Cities like Los Angeles are in the midst, and look for Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco to follow suit.
https://www.newsweek.com/federal-judge-allows-21-businesses-sue-seattle-over-harms-caused-chop-1539990 -
Welcome to July 2020.greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland.
Oh, except for the quooks who are still trapped. lol -
Reed College used to be one of the top liberal arts schools on the entire west coast.
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I think something changed at some point. I had a prof or two that talked about trying to get employed at Reed. There's weird institutional things going on there that bring them down.thechatch said:Reed College used to be one of the top liberal arts schools on the entire west coast.
If you're serious about academics, you don't even go to school in the state of Oregon anymore. You go to school in California or Warshington or somewhere else.
Hi @IPukeOregonGrellow !!! -
As someone who’s very close to a former department chair at Reed, you are absolutely correct about the top-down institutional issues. The children are running the daycare over there.haie said:
I think something changed at some point. I had a prof or two that talked about trying to get employed at Reed. There's weird institutional things going on there that bring them down.thechatch said:Reed College used to be one of the top liberal arts schools on the entire west coast.
If you're serious about academics, you don't even go to school in the state of Oregon anymore. You go to school in California or Warshington or somewhere else.
Hi @IPukeOregonGrellow !!! -
Such a rudderless whore.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
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Portland Sucks. Always has, always will.
Go Sonics!
Go Sounders!
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That's sad. I think they still require a high GPA for admission, but something is definitely wrong there that could bring the whole thing down, Evergreen State style.thechatch said:
As someone who’s very close to a former department chair at Reed, you are absolutely correct about the top-down institutional issues. The children are running the daycare over there.haie said:
I think something changed at some point. I had a prof or two that talked about trying to get employed at Reed. There's weird institutional things going on there that bring them down.thechatch said:Reed College used to be one of the top liberal arts schools on the entire west coast.
If you're serious about academics, you don't even go to school in the state of Oregon anymore. You go to school in California or Warshington or somewhere else.
Hi @IPukeOregonGrellow !!!
I've heard that Pacific University is still a good school though. True? -
I laugh that you think Seattle is much better. It’s Portland but only on a larger scale.haie said:
Welcome to July 2020.greenblood said:
I absolutely agree.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not very conservative of you. If a state or locality wants to negligently let their city burn at the hands of anarchists, then that's their right.WestlinnDuck said:Not a voting issue for Snow as this isn't a federal concern. It's not like the next President, Kameltoe wasn't bailing out these insurrectionists.
Portland has a right to destroy itself from within. Once the middle and upper class complete their flee to the suburbs it will be the end of Portland.
Oh, except for the quooks who are still trapped. lol
