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YellowSnow
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Most of these were good, and if anything just need some tweaks
1. Civil Rights Act (1964). 73-27
2. Voting Rights Act (1965). 77-19
3. Medicare and Medicaid acts (1965). 70-24
4. Federal-Aid Highway Act (1956). 89-1
5. Economic Recovery Tax Act (1981). 89-11
6. National Defense Education Act (1958). 62-26
7. Tonkin Gulf Resolution (1964). 88-2
8. Amendments to Immigration and Nationality Act (1965). 76-18
9. Clean Air Act Amendments (1970). 73-0
10. Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (1996). 74-24
https://www.rollcall.com/2005/05/02/ten-bills-that-really-mattered/
1. Civil Rights Act (1964). 73-27
2. Voting Rights Act (1965). 77-19
3. Medicare and Medicaid acts (1965). 70-24
4. Federal-Aid Highway Act (1956). 89-1
5. Economic Recovery Tax Act (1981). 89-11
6. National Defense Education Act (1958). 62-26
7. Tonkin Gulf Resolution (1964). 88-2
8. Amendments to Immigration and Nationality Act (1965). 76-18
9. Clean Air Act Amendments (1970). 73-0
10. Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (1996). 74-24
https://www.rollcall.com/2005/05/02/ten-bills-that-really-mattered/
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Three, Seven and Eight were mistakes.
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They were all mistakes silent Cal.SFGbob said:Three, Seven and Eight were mistakes.
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Some bigger than others. Civil Rights acts were necessary evils because Democrats were still be Democrats 100 years after the end of the Civil War.YellowSnow said:
They were all mistakes silent Cal.SFGbob said:Three, Seven and Eight were mistakes.
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The point, of course, Calvin, to the OP was to remind us all of the massive bi-partisan supports for the most significant bills of the past 50 years. And in my happy little world (which no longer exists) I'd like to think if a bill is so good and god damned important it ought to be able to garner 60 votes in the Senate. #filibustergoodSFGbob said:
Some bigger than others. Civil Rights acts were necessary evils because Democrats were still be Democrats 100 years after the end of the Civil War.YellowSnow said:
They were all mistakes silent Cal.SFGbob said:Three, Seven and Eight were mistakes.
Regarding your points, #7 is the really the only disaster IMHO.
I think #3 was necessary, but needs some significant reforms. I think forced savings through payroll taxes for retirement and some level of government support so oldes can afford health insurance are necessary evils.
#8 is a mixed bag. I don't think our immigration policy of 1924- 1964 was the way to go (e.g., we should have let in any Jew that wanted to come here in the 1930's). But the current policies need major tweaks based on our present realities. -
If 3 would have established a medical savings account system that allowed people to pay into an HSA like account over their entire working life in order to pay for their healthcare when they got older it would have been a homerun. What was actually created was a fucking budgetary disaster. Immigration system that was created after 1965, allowed for the chain migration we see now and also handcuffed us when it comes to allowing immigrants who would be beneficial to us. Allowing millions of low skilled, poorly educated immigrants into this country each year is a great benefit for them but not always a great benefit for America or some American citizens.YellowSnow said:
The point, of course, Calvin, to the OP was to remind us all of the massive bi-partisan supports for the most significant bills of the past 50 years. And in my happy little world (which no longer exists) I'd like to think if a bill is so good and god damned important it ought to be able to garner 60 votes in the Senate. #filibustergoodSFGbob said:
Some bigger than others. Civil Rights acts were necessary evils because Democrats were still be Democrats 100 years after the end of the Civil War.YellowSnow said:
They were all mistakes silent Cal.SFGbob said:Three, Seven and Eight were mistakes.
Regarding your points, #7 is the really the only disaster IMHO.
I think #3 was necessary, but needs some significant reforms. I think forced savings through payroll taxes for retirement and some level of government support so oldes can afford health insurance are necessary evils.
#8 is a mixed bag. I don't think our immigration policy of 1924- 1964 was the way to go (e.g., we should have let in any Jew that wanted to come here in the 1930's). But the current policies need major tweaks based on our present realities. -
HSA's with some degree of single payer for catastrophic, big ticket stuff have long been my preferred solution. Healthcare pricing isn't transparent because the way we pay for it is analogous to if we used auto insurance to pay for oil changes and brake jerbs.SFGbob said:
If 3 would have established a medical savings account system that allowed people to pay into an HSA like account over their entire working life in order to pay for their healthcare when they got older it would have been a homerun. What was actually created was a fucking budgetary disaster. Immigration system that was created after 1965, allowed for the chain migration we see now and also handcuffed us when it comes to allowing immigrants who would be beneficial to us. Allowing millions of low skilled, poorly educated immigrants into this country each year is a great benefit for them but not always a great benefit for America or some American citizens.YellowSnow said:
The point, of course, Calvin, to the OP was to remind us all of the massive bi-partisan supports for the most significant bills of the past 50 years. And in my happy little world (which no longer exists) I'd like to think if a bill is so good and god damned important it ought to be able to garner 60 votes in the Senate. #filibustergoodSFGbob said:
Some bigger than others. Civil Rights acts were necessary evils because Democrats were still be Democrats 100 years after the end of the Civil War.YellowSnow said:
They were all mistakes silent Cal.SFGbob said:Three, Seven and Eight were mistakes.
Regarding your points, #7 is the really the only disaster IMHO.
I think #3 was necessary, but needs some significant reforms. I think forced savings through payroll taxes for retirement and some level of government support so oldes can afford health insurance are necessary evils.
#8 is a mixed bag. I don't think our immigration policy of 1924- 1964 was the way to go (e.g., we should have let in any Jew that wanted to come here in the 1930's). But the current policies need major tweaks based on our present realities. -
Is your only contention with #8 the provision on asylees and refugees? I would say the other provisions of it are not entirely misguided.SFGbob said:
If 3 would have established a medical savings account system that allowed people to pay into an HSA like account over their entire working life in order to pay for their healthcare when they got older it would have been a homerun. What was actually created was a fucking budgetary disaster. Immigration system that was created after 1965, allowed for the chain migration we see now and also handcuffed us when it comes to allowing immigrants who would be beneficial to us. Allowing millions of low skilled, poorly educated immigrants into this country each year is a great benefit for them but not always a great benefit for America or some American citizens.YellowSnow said:
The point, of course, Calvin, to the OP was to remind us all of the massive bi-partisan supports for the most significant bills of the past 50 years. And in my happy little world (which no longer exists) I'd like to think if a bill is so good and god damned important it ought to be able to garner 60 votes in the Senate. #filibustergoodSFGbob said:
Some bigger than others. Civil Rights acts were necessary evils because Democrats were still be Democrats 100 years after the end of the Civil War.YellowSnow said:
They were all mistakes silent Cal.SFGbob said:Three, Seven and Eight were mistakes.
Regarding your points, #7 is the really the only disaster IMHO.
I think #3 was necessary, but needs some significant reforms. I think forced savings through payroll taxes for retirement and some level of government support so oldes can afford health insurance are necessary evils.
#8 is a mixed bag. I don't think our immigration policy of 1924- 1964 was the way to go (e.g., we should have let in any Jew that wanted to come here in the 1930's). But the current policies need major tweaks based on our present realities. -
No, that's not my only contention with number 8.MelloDawg said:
Is your only contention with #8 the provision on asylees and refugees? I would say the other provisions of it are not entirely misguided.SFGbob said:
If 3 would have established a medical savings account system that allowed people to pay into an HSA like account over their entire working life in order to pay for their healthcare when they got older it would have been a homerun. What was actually created was a fucking budgetary disaster. Immigration system that was created after 1965, allowed for the chain migration we see now and also handcuffed us when it comes to allowing immigrants who would be beneficial to us. Allowing millions of low skilled, poorly educated immigrants into this country each year is a great benefit for them but not always a great benefit for America or some American citizens.YellowSnow said:
The point, of course, Calvin, to the OP was to remind us all of the massive bi-partisan supports for the most significant bills of the past 50 years. And in my happy little world (which no longer exists) I'd like to think if a bill is so good and god damned important it ought to be able to garner 60 votes in the Senate. #filibustergoodSFGbob said:
Some bigger than others. Civil Rights acts were necessary evils because Democrats were still be Democrats 100 years after the end of the Civil War.YellowSnow said:
They were all mistakes silent Cal.SFGbob said:Three, Seven and Eight were mistakes.
Regarding your points, #7 is the really the only disaster IMHO.
I think #3 was necessary, but needs some significant reforms. I think forced savings through payroll taxes for retirement and some level of government support so oldes can afford health insurance are necessary evils.
#8 is a mixed bag. I don't think our immigration policy of 1924- 1964 was the way to go (e.g., we should have let in any Jew that wanted to come here in the 1930's). But the current policies need major tweaks based on our present realities. -
August 18, 1920 was the beginning of the end imo
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Get over 60 votes or 34 states for gun grabbing and then pop off grabbers
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The 1994 dudes got it done 52-48. Don't recall if there was a filibuster.RaceBannon said:Get over 60 votes or 34 states for gun grabbing and then pop off grabbers
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That legislation was for show as I recall. Serious grabbing requires an ammendmentYellowSnow said:
The 1994 dudes got it done 52-48. Don't recall if there was a filibuster.RaceBannon said:Get over 60 votes or 34 states for gun grabbing and then pop off grabbers
Which is kind of my point. This annual gun legislation show is beyond tired. Picking around the edges, fucking with ammo and all that
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the more bipartisan it seems the more vaseline the people need.
60-40 I know someone is looking out for at least one loser
