Oregon's Covid Natty

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.

Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/

Lots of quislings along I-5.

And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.

But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.

And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.

Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.

Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.

My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.

You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.

The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.

The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.

Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/

Lots of quislings along I-5.

And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.

But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.

And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.

Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.

Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.

My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.

You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.

The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.

The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.

I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.

At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives.

This is why you get some criticism from the conservatives. First, you underestimate the hatred for Trump from the left. The governor of Michigan threatened the jobs of any doctor that prescribed HCL for chicom crud victims because Trump semi-endorsed it. You think that was rational government intervention. At some point, your constituents are not just Trump haters and government unions. They all hated Trump. They were all on the government dole and didn't lose a pay check. I would say that they enthusiastically adopted a destroy small businesses program for political advantage. You would agree on not agree? You think Kate Brown cares about private sector folks? Oregon is top five in less impacted by the chicom crud and kids in West Linn are still not back in school.

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

PurpleThrobber said:

YellowSnow said:

So among the states in the Continental US with north of million residents, Oregon, has faired far better in term of Covid 19 deaths per capita (35% of the national average). Only WA and UT are in the same ballpark.

Not a loaded question here... Why is this? Is Oregon a "healthier" state overall? Are we? good little rule followers?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/country/united-states/

Lots of quislings along I-5.

And Utahans, as you well know, are conditioned to do whatever the LDS Big Guy says and are notoriously gullible for any number of scams.

But why should Oregon have faired far better than Idaho? Like half the deaths.

And for the record, 25% of Idaho is in communion with the Bishop of Salt Lake.

Good question. If we had some sort of national disease organization that had billions in funding and and had an huge degree of scientific intellectual curiosity we might have an answer. Washington started of hot with a huge nursing home outbreak. No clue about Idaho. Having just spent a week in White Wakanda, Bend has a huge different feel than suburban Portland. Maybe because I was hanging with my daughter and future son in-law and their friends, but still not as much fear as here in Portland.

Bend has felt very relaxed compared to PDX or SEA. Most everyone wanted schools open. When the extreme regs weren't in place, most bars and restaurants were busy (as they could be during Covid times). Hotels were running at 99% OCC last summer. We hang out with the neighbors a lot sans masks, but it's always outside for the most part.

My theory on Oregon: healthy population compared the rest of the country and vulnerable citizens taking necessary steps to mitigate risks.

You might think someone who has spent decades on infectious disease, like Fow Chee, could make a similar succinct statement and avoid a national economic disaster.

The problem with epidemiologists is that they are only focused on 1 part of the equation, and don't have to deal with the economic fallout of getting the policies wrong.

The real problem is how incompetent the government is along with the MSM. It was all about wrecking the economy and blaming it on Trump. When the Tug conservatives could figure this thing out in March of 2020 it wasn't that hard. All you had to do was review the Diamond Princess facts. Then toss in that this was the chicom crud that came out of the Wuhan Lab. Consider that Cho Bai Den was calling the governor of Texas a Neanderthal for opening up his state while never saying a word about the Luv Gov.

I'm very skeptical as to the extent to which blue state govs were trying to make their economies worse through heavy handed lock downs in order to thwart Trump's re-election prospects. I think those gov's were simply responding to the policy preferences of their constituents, which is the think that the solution of everything is more government intervention. You see the blue / red state divide on this in any number of areas regardless of who is in the oval office. You think the FS teacher's unions in the major metros were going back to in person during a pandemic with HRC in power? Fuck no.

At the end of the day, I think the types of locks downs we had in WA, OR and CA were counter-productive and didn't save that many lives.

This is why you get some criticism from the conservatives. First, you underestimate the hatred for Trump from the left. The governor of Michigan threatened the jobs of any doctor that prescribed HCL for chicom crud victims because Trump semi-endorsed it. You think that was rational government intervention. At some point, your constituents are not just Trump haters and government unions. They all hated Trump. They were all on the government dole and didn't lose a pay check. I would say that they enthusiastically adopted a destroy small businesses program for political advantage. You would agree on not agree? You think Kate Brown cares about private sector folks? Oregon is top five in less impacted by the chicom crud and kids in West Linn are still not back in school.

I don't underestimate the left's hatred of Trump at all. And I don't think the heavy handed lock downs were the correct policy response. Where I disagree with you is that I don't think the policy response to Covid on a state level would have looked any different with a Dem in the WH. The voters in the PDX and SEA metro area are morons and get the governance they deserve.

Case in point: I read the other day that 40% of parents in the Seattle Public School District still don't want their kids back in in-person learning. That's a staggering number at this point in the game and indicative of the paranoid lunacy of the electorate. Those folks want to be locked down.

I agree. We get the government the sheeple want. I disagree that the dems didn't destroy our private sector small businesses on purpose.