Rand Paul Confronts Biden's Transgender Health Nominee About "Genital Mutilation"

LebamDawg said:

Well @TheKobeStopper I did not indicate a 15 year old could walk in and get his dick removed or a gal get an addadicktomy just the surgery age is 15. So 4 years of hormones puts them at age 11 for treatment - child abuse.

if it wasn't for western governments forcing this upon the populace this entire thing would be a nonstarter. And yes that does come down to a Marxist/Far Left/Progressive action to force changes onto society.

So you’re arguing that the state of Oregon having a lower age of consent on medical procedures is the government forcing transgenderism on the population and you want more laws, stricter laws, the federal government to step in and overrule state law and this makes you the small government freedom fighters? Are you out of your fucking mind?



It’s unreal how shallow your bag of tricks is.

TheKobeStopper said:

Goduckies said:

I have no issue with Trans people I've seen some Trans women that are 10's here in SF if you didn't see the Adam's apple or voice, you wouldn't know. However with that, I do not believe they should be in women's sports as it is an unfair advantage and under 16, I'd say no hormones after 16 hormones with parental concent only.

Would you agree to them being used on younger kids if more studies come back showing it’s safe?

Also, fun fact, if you use the puberty blockers before you go through puberty and then transition to a woman, you eliminate a lot of the advantages males have in sports.

Define safe please

TheKobeStopper said:

LebamDawg said:

Long term use of hormone blockers does cause damage - if the gender dysphoria person later stops the transition and changes their mind - which happens frequently - there is irreparable damage. There really is not a good long term study

Also - in Oregon the age is 15 for the surgery without parental approval- and there are numerous court cases on-going.

The science for this is again not a proven but a consensus, the head guy at Johns Hopkins a few years ago is adamant that this should be treated as mental illness. He is conservative so the liberal doctors/press have debunked anything he says. progress is what you might calll it?

Psychiatry is a science that should not cause surgery because of feelings and social pressure. IF there was an epidemic of transgenderism you think it would appear in all humans not just certain societies. The only acceptance of transgenders is when it is force fed to the population by the government.

Edit: if some screwed up adult wants to go through this - more power to them - but leave the kids alone

Edit2: Johns Hopkins doctor is Paul McHugh

The Oregon thing is so misleading. It takes years to get to the point where you can have the surgery. In Oregon you need a mental healthcare provider and a physician to sign off just to start hormones. You need consensus from four medical professionals to have the surgery YEARS later.

15 year olds cannot walk into a doctors office with a dick and walk out with a vagina.

Perhaps the right shouldn’t have told their kids the earth was 5000 years old, that evolution wasn’t real and that climate change was a Chinese hoax. Maybe then you’d have some scientists on your side. Instead you rely on one in a million outlier examples like the Johns Hopkins guy and you can’t prove that he’s not doing this for political reasons. In fact, Occam’s razor, it is much more likely that the rare scientist that sides with the right is doing so for political reasons than it is that the rest of the scientific community is involved in a massive Marxist conspiracy to destroy western values. But as we all know, reality has a liberal bias.

My God. Have you not read any of the thousands of testimonials from doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists and even teachers about the harassment and retaliation they receive if they even so much as question the propriety of a child's gender transition? The trans-activist community is a mob of bullies that attacks anyone who questions it, including gays, lesbians and bi-sexuals who question their insane beliefs.

I have no idea what your sources are, but whatever they are, they are terrible, yet effective at completely washing your brain.

It's not progress to carve up one's body, take hormone blockers and supplements and be 100% certain you are living in the wrong body, when you have not and cannot have any idea what living in a body of the opposite sex is actually like. How the fuck would anyone ever know? It's called Logic, you moron. But you completely dismiss any such reason in order to hang with your "progressive" lunatic crowd.

You, sir, have lost your mind.

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Goduckies said:

I have no issue with Trans people I've seen some Trans women that are 10's here in SF if you didn't see the Adam's apple or voice, you wouldn't know. However with that, I do not believe they should be in women's sports as it is an unfair advantage and under 16, I'd say no hormones after 16 hormones with parental concent only.

Would you agree to them being used on younger kids if more studies come back showing it’s safe?

Also, fun fact, if you use the puberty blockers before you go through puberty and then transition to a woman, you eliminate a lot of the advantages males have in sports.

Define safe please

I meant the question as if the requirements for whatever you define as safe can be met. I gave this leeway because @Goduckies seemed reasonable in their post.

I would already view it as safe. Doctors support it, medical journals support it, mental health professionals support it. The same “lack of long term studies” crap that anti vaxxers tried using isn’t enough to sway me away from scientific consensus.

Ok ... I get that you’re saying that others support it. But my question was more tied to what safe means to you ...

I’d agree that there’s a time and place where you lean on others that know more on a subject. There’s also a time and place to think critically and ask enough questions to make sure that the answers pass the sniff test.

The child part of this gives me pause ... adults I’m pretty much in the you do you camp. Only thing that I’m not sure of the answer to is from an insurance standpoint where everything falls on the coverage scale vs it being treated more like an elective procedure like most plastic surgery.

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Goduckies said:

I have no issue with Trans people I've seen some Trans women that are 10's here in SF if you didn't see the Adam's apple or voice, you wouldn't know. However with that, I do not believe they should be in women's sports as it is an unfair advantage and under 16, I'd say no hormones after 16 hormones with parental concent only.

Would you agree to them being used on younger kids if more studies come back showing it’s safe?

Also, fun fact, if you use the puberty blockers before you go through puberty and then transition to a woman, you eliminate a lot of the advantages males have in sports.

Define safe please

I meant the question as if the requirements for whatever you define as safe can be met. I gave this leeway because @Goduckies seemed reasonable in their post.

I would already view it as safe. Doctors support it, medical journals support it, mental health professionals support it. The same “lack of long term studies” crap that anti vaxxers tried using isn’t enough to sway me away from scientific consensus.

Ok ... I get that you’re saying that others support it. But my question was more tied to what safe means to you ...

I’d agree that there’s a time and place where you lean on others that know more on a subject. There’s also a time and place to think critically and ask enough questions to make sure that the answers pass the sniff test.

The child part of this gives me pause ... adults I’m pretty much in the you do you camp. Only thing that I’m not sure of the answer to is from an insurance standpoint where everything falls on the coverage scale vs it being treated more like an elective procedure like most plastic surgery.

The way it gets portrayed by the people who disagree with it, is not at all what I’ve seen when I’ve looked into it. From the kids and adults that are trans to the doctors and therapists to the parents. Nothing is safe but we weigh the benefits versus the harm and I don’t think this one is particularly close.

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Goduckies said:

I have no issue with Trans people I've seen some Trans women that are 10's here in SF if you didn't see the Adam's apple or voice, you wouldn't know. However with that, I do not believe they should be in women's sports as it is an unfair advantage and under 16, I'd say no hormones after 16 hormones with parental concent only.

Would you agree to them being used on younger kids if more studies come back showing it’s safe?

Also, fun fact, if you use the puberty blockers before you go through puberty and then transition to a woman, you eliminate a lot of the advantages males have in sports.

Define safe please

I meant the question as if the requirements for whatever you define as safe can be met. I gave this leeway because @Goduckies seemed reasonable in their post.

I would already view it as safe. Doctors support it, medical journals support it, mental health professionals support it. The same “lack of long term studies” crap that anti vaxxers tried using isn’t enough to sway me away from scientific consensus.

Ok ... I get that you’re saying that others support it. But my question was more tied to what safe means to you ...

I’d agree that there’s a time and place where you lean on others that know more on a subject. There’s also a time and place to think critically and ask enough questions to make sure that the answers pass the sniff test.

The child part of this gives me pause ... adults I’m pretty much in the you do you camp. Only thing that I’m not sure of the answer to is from an insurance standpoint where everything falls on the coverage scale vs it being treated more like an elective procedure like most plastic surgery.

The way it gets portrayed by the people who disagree with it, is not at all what I’ve seen when I’ve looked into it. From the kids and adults that are trans to the doctors and therapists to the parents. Nothing is safe but we weigh the benefits versus the harm and I don’t think this one is particularly close.

Kids brains aren't fully developed until approximately age 23.

"I don't think this one is particularly close'. Well, JFC that is the definitive statement - @TheKobeStopper doesn't 'think'. My god. What a compelling fact-based, data driven argument to pump hormones into kids who aren't even through full development in their ability to think cognitively on their own..

Just run the redefine terms play followed by the Pettibone. Way quicker to get to stupid.

EsophagealFeces said:

TheKobeStopper said:

RaceBannon said:

Of course the left wants to help kids by letting them mutilate themselves. And then trafficking them

Nobel Prize time

Kids and teenagers are stupid. If an adult wants to mutilate themselves have at it. Just don't expect normal people to start dancing in the streets about it and pretending its anything more than mental illness

Hormone blockers don’t mutilate people.

Once upon a time, normal people didn’t marry outside of their race. Normal people didn’t marry outside of their religion. Normal people didn’t marry their own sex. It’s called progress.

One day, normal people will go on hormone blockers. Normal people will have gender affirming surgery. And people like you will just move on to the next minority group to complain about.

Keep fucking that strawman, moron.

He's redefining terms again.

There is NO problem with 'Normal" (meaning ADULTS) making their own decisions.

It's pretty clear that besides not having a job, @TheKobeStopper doesn't have kids either. Kids are NOT normal. IDGAF if it's nature or nuture, kids are NOT normal. They don't come out of the womb fully cooked and able to make life-lasting decisions regarding their well being. They do stupid shit that, years later, they look back and wonder WTF they were thinking. And for some bi-curious, 16 Candles angst-ridden month, they determine to cutting off their dick or growing/removing boobs or adding a penis is a 'good/normal' decision, that's just absurd. No 'normal' person would do that or try to impose it on someone else.

But to @TheKobeStopper, that's 'normal'. And he's pathetically trying to frame 'adult' things like interracial marriage, gay marriage and gender change surgery (all ADULT, fully informed, fully developed decisions) onto kids who do dumb shit, make stupid fucking decisions and generally test every social/political/behaviorial more at some point in their lives.

Get a job and have some kids, then pop off.

Pitchfork51 said:

If you don't agree that trans people are mentally ill then idk what to tell you.

They may or may not be. Just don't tell me they are 'special' and deserve any better or worse treatment than anybody else.

And most definitely don't tell me the almighty state should condone, endorse or enable that shit on kids. That's a personal decision on a case by case basis made by an adult.

Ten seconds of watching and listening to Biden's freak nominee is all that's required to reject such an obviously mental illness-driven pursuit of living as the opposite sex.

That transperson can't answer the simplest questions, and keeps suggesting "I'll come to your office and answer your questions" - Fuck That.

The fucker won't go on the record publicly, because it's answers are total bullshit and it doesn't want them challenged. It wants everything it believes in snuck into policy through back channels.

Fuck that Freak. The "do not confirm" vote should be a resounding "no" for this lying coward who refuses to answer questions.

TurdBomber said:

Ten seconds of watching and listening to Biden's freak nominee is all that's required to reject such an obviously mental illness-driven pursuit of living as the opposite sex.

That transperson can't answer the simplest questions, and keeps suggesting "I'll come to your office and answer your questions" - Fuck That.

The fucker won't go on the record publicly, because it's answers are total bullshit and it doesn't want them challenged. It wants everything it believes in snuck into policy through back channels.

Fuck that Freak. The "do not confirm" vote should be a resounding "no" for this lying coward who refuses to answer questions.

He will pass with flying colors and be paraded around as a hero

GrundleStiltzkin said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Goduckies said:

I have no issue with Trans people I've seen some Trans women that are 10's here in SF if you didn't see the Adam's apple or voice, you wouldn't know. However with that, I do not believe they should be in women's sports as it is an unfair advantage and under 16, I'd say no hormones after 16 hormones with parental concent only.

Would you agree to them being used on younger kids if more studies come back showing it’s safe?

Also, fun fact, if you use the puberty blockers before you go through puberty and then transition to a woman, you eliminate a lot of the advantages males have in sports.

Hmm, sounds like a substantial and irreversible impact, on younger kids.

Are you fucking with me?

Of all the things to dog your heels in on, TKS...