Rand Paul Confronts Biden's Transgender Health Nominee About "Genital Mutilation"

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Goduckies said:

I have no issue with Trans people I've seen some Trans women that are 10's here in SF if you didn't see the Adam's apple or voice, you wouldn't know. However with that, I do not believe they should be in women's sports as it is an unfair advantage and under 16, I'd say no hormones after 16 hormones with parental concent only.

Would you agree to them being used on younger kids if more studies come back showing it’s safe?

Also, fun fact, if you use the puberty blockers before you go through puberty and then transition to a woman, you eliminate a lot of the advantages males have in sports.

Define safe please

I meant the question as if the requirements for whatever you define as safe can be met. I gave this leeway because @Goduckies seemed reasonable in their post.

I would already view it as safe. Doctors support it, medical journals support it, mental health professionals support it. The same “lack of long term studies” crap that anti vaxxers tried using isn’t enough to sway me away from scientific consensus.

Ok ... I get that you’re saying that others support it. But my question was more tied to what safe means to you ...

I’d agree that there’s a time and place where you lean on others that know more on a subject. There’s also a time and place to think critically and ask enough questions to make sure that the answers pass the sniff test.

The child part of this gives me pause ... adults I’m pretty much in the you do you camp. Only thing that I’m not sure of the answer to is from an insurance standpoint where everything falls on the coverage scale vs it being treated more like an elective procedure like most plastic surgery.

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Goduckies said:

I have no issue with Trans people I've seen some Trans women that are 10's here in SF if you didn't see the Adam's apple or voice, you wouldn't know. However with that, I do not believe they should be in women's sports as it is an unfair advantage and under 16, I'd say no hormones after 16 hormones with parental concent only.

Would you agree to them being used on younger kids if more studies come back showing it’s safe?

Also, fun fact, if you use the puberty blockers before you go through puberty and then transition to a woman, you eliminate a lot of the advantages males have in sports.

Define safe please

I meant the question as if the requirements for whatever you define as safe can be met. I gave this leeway because @Goduckies seemed reasonable in their post.

I would already view it as safe. Doctors support it, medical journals support it, mental health professionals support it. The same “lack of long term studies” crap that anti vaxxers tried using isn’t enough to sway me away from scientific consensus.

Ok ... I get that you’re saying that others support it. But my question was more tied to what safe means to you ...

I’d agree that there’s a time and place where you lean on others that know more on a subject. There’s also a time and place to think critically and ask enough questions to make sure that the answers pass the sniff test.

The child part of this gives me pause ... adults I’m pretty much in the you do you camp. Only thing that I’m not sure of the answer to is from an insurance standpoint where everything falls on the coverage scale vs it being treated more like an elective procedure like most plastic surgery.

The way it gets portrayed by the people who disagree with it, is not at all what I’ve seen when I’ve looked into it. From the kids and adults that are trans to the doctors and therapists to the parents. Nothing is safe but we weigh the benefits versus the harm and I don’t think this one is particularly close.

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Goduckies said:

I have no issue with Trans people I've seen some Trans women that are 10's here in SF if you didn't see the Adam's apple or voice, you wouldn't know. However with that, I do not believe they should be in women's sports as it is an unfair advantage and under 16, I'd say no hormones after 16 hormones with parental concent only.

Would you agree to them being used on younger kids if more studies come back showing it’s safe?

Also, fun fact, if you use the puberty blockers before you go through puberty and then transition to a woman, you eliminate a lot of the advantages males have in sports.

Define safe please

I meant the question as if the requirements for whatever you define as safe can be met. I gave this leeway because @Goduckies seemed reasonable in their post.

I would already view it as safe. Doctors support it, medical journals support it, mental health professionals support it. The same “lack of long term studies” crap that anti vaxxers tried using isn’t enough to sway me away from scientific consensus.

Ok ... I get that you’re saying that others support it. But my question was more tied to what safe means to you ...

I’d agree that there’s a time and place where you lean on others that know more on a subject. There’s also a time and place to think critically and ask enough questions to make sure that the answers pass the sniff test.

The child part of this gives me pause ... adults I’m pretty much in the you do you camp. Only thing that I’m not sure of the answer to is from an insurance standpoint where everything falls on the coverage scale vs it being treated more like an elective procedure like most plastic surgery.

The way it gets portrayed by the people who disagree with it, is not at all what I’ve seen when I’ve looked into it. From the kids and adults that are trans to the doctors and therapists to the parents. Nothing is safe but we weigh the benefits versus the harm and I don’t think this one is particularly close.

Kids brains aren't fully developed until approximately age 23.

"I don't think this one is particularly close'. Well, JFC that is the definitive statement - @TheKobeStopper doesn't 'think'. My god. What a compelling fact-based, data driven argument to pump hormones into kids who aren't even through full development in their ability to think cognitively on their own..

Just run the redefine terms play followed by the Pettibone. Way quicker to get to stupid.

EsophagealFeces said:

TheKobeStopper said:

RaceBannon said:

Of course the left wants to help kids by letting them mutilate themselves. And then trafficking them

Nobel Prize time

Kids and teenagers are stupid. If an adult wants to mutilate themselves have at it. Just don't expect normal people to start dancing in the streets about it and pretending its anything more than mental illness

Hormone blockers don’t mutilate people.

Once upon a time, normal people didn’t marry outside of their race. Normal people didn’t marry outside of their religion. Normal people didn’t marry their own sex. It’s called progress.

One day, normal people will go on hormone blockers. Normal people will have gender affirming surgery. And people like you will just move on to the next minority group to complain about.

Keep fucking that strawman, moron.

He's redefining terms again.

There is NO problem with 'Normal" (meaning ADULTS) making their own decisions.

It's pretty clear that besides not having a job, @TheKobeStopper doesn't have kids either. Kids are NOT normal. IDGAF if it's nature or nuture, kids are NOT normal. They don't come out of the womb fully cooked and able to make life-lasting decisions regarding their well being. They do stupid shit that, years later, they look back and wonder WTF they were thinking. And for some bi-curious, 16 Candles angst-ridden month, they determine to cutting off their dick or growing/removing boobs or adding a penis is a 'good/normal' decision, that's just absurd. No 'normal' person would do that or try to impose it on someone else.

But to @TheKobeStopper, that's 'normal'. And he's pathetically trying to frame 'adult' things like interracial marriage, gay marriage and gender change surgery (all ADULT, fully informed, fully developed decisions) onto kids who do dumb shit, make stupid fucking decisions and generally test every social/political/behaviorial more at some point in their lives.

Get a job and have some kids, then pop off.

Pitchfork51 said:

If you don't agree that trans people are mentally ill then idk what to tell you.

They may or may not be. Just don't tell me they are 'special' and deserve any better or worse treatment than anybody else.

And most definitely don't tell me the almighty state should condone, endorse or enable that shit on kids. That's a personal decision on a case by case basis made by an adult.