By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work
Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show
Well said. There’s no question that Ike was a master of @Logistics and management of the alliance. He didn’t fuck up D-Day which was Yuge. But still by the time Ike got us into France we had every advantage and @DerekJohnson had already consumed most of Germany’s manpower. Ike’s job was to not fuck up and he did it will.
ATBSJBS, he’s got nothing on his resume like Grant at Vicksburg or Spruance at Midway.
I always come back to Grant because he did it ALL. Tactical brilliance plus overall strategic genius.
Not even fucking close. Not giving into temptation of power makes him a great man. He set a crazy precedent that other leaders after him had to follow.
Not even fucking close. Not giving into temptation of power makes him a great man. He set a crazy precedent that other leaders after him had to follow.
True but it's hard to say whether this fits under Washington the general of the Continental Army or Washington the politician and father of a nation. I rank Washington, Grant and Ike in this exercise based only on their wartime resume.
Quite honestly Mitch, I didn't think George Washington would ever lead in this poll, yet here he is. I just love him for when the corrupt guys in the Continental Congress wanted him to be king... Washington reportedly kneeled before them to hand over his sword and insisted that we be a republic and not a monarchy. Even if that story might be gussied up with some BS, I just love that humility. It's awesome.
Quite honestly Mitch, I didn't think George Washington would ever lead in this poll, yet here he is. I just love him for when the corrupt guys in the Continental Congress wanted him to be king... Washington reportedly kneeled before them to hand over his sword and insisted that we be a republic and not a monarchy. Even if that story might be gussied up with some BS, I just love that humility. It's awesome.
Sorry he owned slaves therefore that made him the worst General ever. Tear down his statues.
Quite honestly Mitch, I didn't think George Washington would ever lead in this poll, yet here he is. I just love him for when the corrupt guys in the Continental Congress wanted him to be king... Washington reportedly kneeled before them to hand over his sword and insisted that we be a republic and not a monarchy. Even if that story might be gussied up with some BS, I just love that humility. It's awesome.
Sorry he owned slaves therefore that made him the worst General ever. Tear down his statues.
Quite honestly Mitch, I didn't think George Washington would ever lead in this poll, yet here he is. I just love him for when the corrupt guys in the Continental Congress wanted him to be king... Washington reportedly kneeled before them to hand over his sword and insisted that we be a republic and not a monarchy. Even if that story might be gussied up with some BS, I just love that humility. It's awesome.
George III said that him resigning his post would make him the greatest man in the world.
By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work
Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show
Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.
I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.
I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work
Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show
Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.
I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.
I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work
Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show
Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.
I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.
I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
I definitely have some decency bias for Ike.
Recency or decency bias? Ike was a very decent man, of course.
By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work
Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show
Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.
I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.
I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
I definitely have some decency bias for Ike.
Recency or decency bias? Ike was a very decent man, of course.
By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work
Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show
Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.
I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.
I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
I definitely have some decency bias for Ike.
Recency or decency bias? Ike was a very decent man, of course.
1. George Marshall; Genius who supervised Eisenhower and generated the Marshall Plan. 2. George Washington; Turned down the job of “King”. Also unequivocally won his war. 3. Winfield Scott; Planned and led the first large scale amphibious landing and ground assault on foreign soil. He set the stage for D Day and WWII Pacific island hopping campaigns.
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ATBSJBS, he’s got nothing on his resume like Grant at Vicksburg or Spruance at Midway.
I always come back to Grant because he did it ALL. Tactical brilliance plus overall strategic genius.
Ike was the beginning of politically correct military administration.
Thought for sure @swaye was going to go with Custer...my Indian friends always do without having to have a poll.
Honorable mention for the guy that can save you money and time
Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.
I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.
I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
2. George Washington; Turned down the job of “King”. Also unequivocally won his war.
3. Winfield Scott; Planned and led the first large scale amphibious landing and ground assault on foreign soil. He set the stage for D Day and WWII Pacific island hopping campaigns.