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  • Kingdome_Urinals
    Kingdome_Urinals Member Posts: 2,777
    chuck said:

    Kingdome_Urinals said:

    Just keep getting better.

    RoadDawg55 said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    This is negadoog for no reason. Noog?

    We are 3-0. Fuck off. Lifpo as always but so far so good
    Roll Beavlet and roll Yoots and we are so far so good.

    We aren't living in that world so far.

    This team and coach ARE actually young. Lots of room for improvement. I'll LIPO.
    I think we are good and guys are improving. I saw flashes out of Tuitele and Smalls. Tuli is working his way back. I even see glimpses from Sirmon. Run D needs to improve and I think it will.

    The OL is solid. We need a better RB, but the guys we have are serviceable. Morris has balls and has the team believing. Puka is breaking out for 150 yard 2-3 TD game soon. We have won games while playing poorly and we look great when it’s clicking.

    It’s a young team improving, coached with energy, and we have great leadership from our studs in Otton and Molden. Molden has been a stud and I bet Tryon and Levi are kicking themselves for not playing.

    I don’t think we are great, but I’m having a good time and sincerely believe the future is bright.
    Flawed but a lot of potential.

    Lacking a great RB it's always going to be unpredictable with a new QB.
    Davis is probably the great back in waiting. He's just not better than the others by a wide enough margin to take their reps yet. I think the running game would be a little better than it is right now if they only went two deep and he was the feature guy the whole time. He'd be a doog hero by now.

    Just speculating. I like them all but think he's the only one with special potential.
    Without facing a series of OOC patsies its hard to break in young guys at RB if you have pretty decent upperclassmen, in this case about three.

    There have already been a number of high-pressure situations for the offense which are not ideal learning opportunities.

    Consider that Morris almost turned it over 4 times last night, you are looking for security at the skill positions.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,670 Swaye's Wigwam
    Kingdome_Urinals said:

    chuck said:

    Kingdome_Urinals said:

    Just keep getting better.

    RoadDawg55 said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    This is negadoog for no reason. Noog?

    We are 3-0. Fuck off. Lifpo as always but so far so good
    Roll Beavlet and roll Yoots and we are so far so good.

    We aren't living in that world so far.

    This team and coach ARE actually young. Lots of room for improvement. I'll LIPO.
    I think we are good and guys are improving. I saw flashes out of Tuitele and Smalls. Tuli is working his way back. I even see glimpses from Sirmon. Run D needs to improve and I think it will.

    The OL is solid. We need a better RB, but the guys we have are serviceable. Morris has balls and has the team believing. Puka is breaking out for 150 yard 2-3 TD game soon. We have won games while playing poorly and we look great when it’s clicking.

    It’s a young team improving, coached with energy, and we have great leadership from our studs in Otton and Molden. Molden has been a stud and I bet Tryon and Levi are kicking themselves for not playing.

    I don’t think we are great, but I’m having a good time and sincerely believe the future is bright.
    Flawed but a lot of potential.

    Lacking a great RB it's always going to be unpredictable with a new QB.
    Davis is probably the great back in waiting. He's just not better than the others by a wide enough margin to take their reps yet. I think the running game would be a little better than it is right now if they only went two deep and he was the feature guy the whole time. He'd be a doog hero by now.

    Just speculating. I like them all but think he's the only one with special potential.
    Without facing a series of OOC patsies its hard to break in young guys at RB if you have pretty decent upperclassmen, in this case about three.

    There have already been a number of high-pressure situations for the offense which are not ideal learning opportunities.

    Consider that Morris almost turned it over 4 times last night, you are looking for security at the skill positions.
    Well said. I completely agree.

    I think Davis would be on a Chris Polk as a sophomore starter type level if he had been on a similar depth chart.
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  • godawgst
    godawgst Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,551 Swaye's Wigwam
    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

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  • dannarc
    dannarc Member Posts: 2,693
    I was there, man!

    2000 wins, they had more heart, played better together and did way better under pressure
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,016
    godawgst said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

    It's not an irrational take. But you are glossing over a lot of good O lineman on the 2000 team, a great QB who had a few more tricks in his bag than pitching the ball, and the effects of a talented, mean and aggressive defense on a QB who couldn't keep his pants clean under pressure (from far lesser opponents), and the 2000 defense would have supplied some.
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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,016
    RoadDawg55 said:

    whlinder said:

    And yet somehow 2000 beat 2000 the U which was slightly more talented than 2016 Washington.

    Slightly.

    This is a fair rebuttal. The 2000 team always found a way. There are still so many spots they would seemingly get destroyed by the 2016 team.

    We crushed teams running the ball with Sample and Dissly. The 2016 defense is way better than 2000. Triplett, Pharms, Daniels, and Akbar are the only guys that could start on the 2016 team.
    Vontoure.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,417 Founders Club
    Ima Ride-or-Die with the 2000 team. They could handle the pressure and dish it out. Tui had too many talents and that Jordan-esque will to win. 2000 was the last of the BAMF defenses from the 90s.
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,720 Founders Club
    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    whlinder said:

    And yet somehow 2000 beat 2000 the U which was slightly more talented than 2016 Washington.

    Slightly.

    This is a fair rebuttal. The 2000 team always found a way. There are still so many spots they would seemingly get destroyed by the 2016 team.

    We crushed teams running the ball with Sample and Dissly. The 2016 defense is way better than 2000. Triplett, Pharms, Daniels, and Akbar are the only guys that could start on the 2016 team.
    Vontoure.
    Over Jones and King?
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,417 Founders Club
    edited November 2020
    dnc said:

    pawz said:

    Ima Ride-or-Die with the 2000 team. They could handle the pressure and dish it out. Tui had too many talents and that Jordan-esque will to win. 2000 was the last of the BAMF defenses from the 90s.

    That defense was pretty good butt far from BAMF.

    2016 was a much better defense.
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    godawgst said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

    It's not an irrational take. But you are glossing over a lot of good O lineman on the 2000 team, a great QB who had a few more tricks in his bag than pitching the ball, and the effects of a talented, mean and aggressive defense on a QB who couldn't keep his pants clean under pressure (from far lesser opponents), and the 2000 defense would have supplied some.
    The argument for 2000 is Tui versus Browning.

    The argument for 2016 is everyone else.

    It would be a really chinteresting matchup.
    2000 play under pressure>>>2016 play under pressure


    I take mental toughness over talent every. day. of the week.

    2000 had it in spades, it was a muscle exercised week in and week out. they knew they would overcome.

    no better example in my lifetim than the last 1:04 of '00 Stanford (i know, not defense, but still ..)
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    godawgst said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

    It's not an irrational take. But you are glossing over a lot of good O lineman on the 2000 team, a great QB who had a few more tricks in his bag than pitching the ball, and the effects of a talented, mean and aggressive defense on a QB who couldn't keep his pants clean under pressure (from far lesser opponents), and the 2000 defense would have supplied some.
    The argument for 2000 is Tui versus Browning.

    The argument for 2016 is everyone else.

    It would be a really chinteresting matchup.
    2000 play under pressure>>>2016 play under pressure

    A already covered Tui versus Browning.

    2000 was clutch because Tui was clutch. 2016 was not because Browning was Brownsox.

    Tha's why I said 2000 wins any close game but 2016 wins the blowouts.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,417 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    godawgst said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

    It's not an irrational take. But you are glossing over a lot of good O lineman on the 2000 team, a great QB who had a few more tricks in his bag than pitching the ball, and the effects of a talented, mean and aggressive defense on a QB who couldn't keep his pants clean under pressure (from far lesser opponents), and the 2000 defense would have supplied some.
    The argument for 2000 is Tui versus Browning.

    The argument for 2016 is everyone else.

    It would be a really chinteresting matchup.
    2000 play under pressure>>>2016 play under pressure

    A already covered Tui versus Browning.

    2000 was clutch because Tui was clutch. 2016 was not because Browning was Brownsox.

    Tha's why I said 2000 wins any close game but 2016 wins the blowouts.
    poont of order: I'm talking the under on whatever percentage of gaymes you think would be a blowout
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    pawz said:

    dnc said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    godawgst said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

    It's not an irrational take. But you are glossing over a lot of good O lineman on the 2000 team, a great QB who had a few more tricks in his bag than pitching the ball, and the effects of a talented, mean and aggressive defense on a QB who couldn't keep his pants clean under pressure (from far lesser opponents), and the 2000 defense would have supplied some.
    The argument for 2000 is Tui versus Browning.

    The argument for 2016 is everyone else.

    It would be a really chinteresting matchup.
    2000 play under pressure>>>2016 play under pressure

    A already covered Tui versus Browning.

    2000 was clutch because Tui was clutch. 2016 was not because Browning was Brownsox.

    Tha's why I said 2000 wins any close game but 2016 wins the blowouts.
    poont of order: I'm talking the under on whatever percentage of gaymes you think would be a blowout
    If they played 10 times the o/u is 5 2016 blowouts and 5 2000 squeekers
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,417 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    pawz said:

    dnc said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    godawgst said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

    It's not an irrational take. But you are glossing over a lot of good O lineman on the 2000 team, a great QB who had a few more tricks in his bag than pitching the ball, and the effects of a talented, mean and aggressive defense on a QB who couldn't keep his pants clean under pressure (from far lesser opponents), and the 2000 defense would have supplied some.
    The argument for 2000 is Tui versus Browning.

    The argument for 2016 is everyone else.

    It would be a really chinteresting matchup.
    2000 play under pressure>>>2016 play under pressure

    A already covered Tui versus Browning.

    2000 was clutch because Tui was clutch. 2016 was not because Browning was Brownsox.

    Tha's why I said 2000 wins any close game but 2016 wins the blowouts.
    poont of order: I'm talking the under on whatever percentage of gaymes you think would be a blowout
    If they played 10 times the o/u is 5 2016 blowouts and 5 2000 squeekers
    Exactly. Taking the Under.

    two, maybe three blowouts
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    Doogles said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    whlinder said:

    And yet somehow 2000 beat 2000 the U which was slightly more talented than 2016 Washington.

    Slightly.

    This is a fair rebuttal. The 2000 team always found a way. There are still so many spots they would seemingly get destroyed by the 2016 team.

    We crushed teams running the ball with Sample and Dissly. The 2016 defense is way better than 2000. Triplett, Pharms, Daniels, and Akbar are the only guys that could start on the 2016 team.
    Vontoure.
    Over Jones and King?
    Somewhere on the field. A 6'1" almost 200 bills blanket cover corner with real wheels and twitch who was physical and could hit and play the run like a boss. A rare combo player who could cover on an island or play in the middle. He could also blitz like a motherfucker. Trust me - he finds a way on the field. The only lissue with him was keeping him in the program.
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    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.

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    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.

    If you can't handle the ups and downs of a game thred then LEAVE!

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,207 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    pawz said:

    dnc said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    godawgst said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

    It's not an irrational take. But you are glossing over a lot of good O lineman on the 2000 team, a great QB who had a few more tricks in his bag than pitching the ball, and the effects of a talented, mean and aggressive defense on a QB who couldn't keep his pants clean under pressure (from far lesser opponents), and the 2000 defense would have supplied some.
    The argument for 2000 is Tui versus Browning.

    The argument for 2016 is everyone else.

    It would be a really chinteresting matchup.
    2000 play under pressure>>>2016 play under pressure

    A already covered Tui versus Browning.

    2000 was clutch because Tui was clutch. 2016 was not because Browning was Brownsox.

    Tha's why I said 2000 wins any close game but 2016 wins the blowouts.
    poont of order: I'm talking the under on whatever percentage of gaymes you think would be a blowout
    If they played 10 times the o/u is 5 2016 blowouts and 5 2000 squeekers
    I suspect a lot of our? recency bias creeps (no pun intended @creepycoug ) into the 2000 vs 2016 debate. If you poll this bored at the end of the 2016 season, I'd wager a solid majority still consider the 2016 squad to have been better than 2000.

    But add in the disappointments of 2017- 18 combined with the Brownsocks regression, Rapp sitting out the Rose Bowl, Pete losing the fire in his belly, etc, and folks start to feel differently. I think some of that 2017- 18 taint tarnished the legacy of 2016 which was a really great football team. Everyone ended up hating Browing, whereas Tui is one of our most beloved players of all time.
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    CallMeBigErn said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.

    If you can't handle the ups and downs of a game thred then LEAVE!


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    YellowSnow said:

    dnc said:

    pawz said:

    dnc said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dnc said:

    creepycoug said:

    godawgst said:

    creepycoug said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    creepycoug said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    LebamDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    guntlove said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Would be? Was there anyone here who wasn't shamefully dooging ahe ll week?

    Me.

    Jimmy's not a head coach. And JonDon will be a fucking anchor around this program. But I didn't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes last week... it was cool watching everyone doog out. This place was super fun. I wish I was wrong about Jimmy, but I'm not.
    I’m still sipping my Cosmopolitan here at Club LIPO. And I’m not going to ask for my bar tab until after the final game.
    Helfrich won a rosebowel...

    Mario won a rosebowel...
    Neuheisel won a Rose Bowl
    Pete lost a Rose Bowel


    and a Fiesta Bowel


    and a Peach Bowel


    and a Something Else Bowel somewhere in Arizona



    and he did all that in 6 years

    To be fair, UW almost every year under Pete could've beaten that Purdue team
    Not according to @creepycoug and @MikeDamone . With their rather curious logic, beating Purdue equates to Neu >>> Toothy.
    This to say about that.

    Sure, over the long haul, Pete is probably a better guy to have around. Rick had a little Dennis Erickson in him. They come in hot, and then their vices as men eventually start showing up on the field.

    But results are results. The Rose Bowl has been, forever, the measuring stick of a great season at Washington. That is, until Oregon started winning them.

    So just give me the season that Pete had that was as successful as the one Rick had in 2000. That 2000 team won big games. I don't think Pete had one win as significant as Rick's over the 2000 Miami team, and that game was a great display of coaching. He absolutely had Washington ready to play. I was there.

    And it was a damn good team. They had a great O line that could run block on anybody, an NFL TE who could block and catch, and a QB who shit turds bigger than Jake's best. Anthony Vontoure starts in any Jimmy Lake D backfield, and Akbar and Williams probably do too. Same with Larry Tripplett. Nevermind Purdue. I'd take Rick N. and that 2000 Husky team against Pete's best and like my chances. They won a Rose Bowl. They played who they were asked to play and won. I only have to play the "what if Rick played Buck" game if you guys have to play the "What if Pete played 2000 Miami" game. Pete shits his pants in that game IMO; Rick was up for the challenge and outcoached Butch Davis.
    At the end of the day both 2000 and 2016 were legit top 4 teams in the country. And they could only play the teams on the schedule. Ricky got Purdue in Pasadena and won. Toothy got Satan in Atlanta and lost. On a neutral field it’s probably a coin flip between the two squads IMO.
    2016 would either win in a blowout or 2000 would win in a nailbiter. Nothing in between.
    I’ve always said 2016 would win easily. The 2000 team wouldn’t be able to complete a pass besides a couple to Stevens.
    2000 team had Tui. You? had Brownsocks. At the most important position on the field, 2000 has 2016 by an immeasurable distance.

    I'll take Tui and a coach who didn't joke under the big lights in a close one.
    Vita and Greg would have single handidly blown up the triple option the 2000 team kept running.

    Marques fakes the dive, goes down the line sees Victor and Bierra ready to take him down for a 3 yard loss and if he tries to pitch it to the rb, Budda is ready to tackle him for a 5 yard loss.

    The 2016 team blows out the 2000 team easily.

    It's not an irrational take. But you are glossing over a lot of good O lineman on the 2000 team, a great QB who had a few more tricks in his bag than pitching the ball, and the effects of a talented, mean and aggressive defense on a QB who couldn't keep his pants clean under pressure (from far lesser opponents), and the 2000 defense would have supplied some.
    The argument for 2000 is Tui versus Browning.

    The argument for 2016 is everyone else.

    It would be a really chinteresting matchup.
    2000 play under pressure>>>2016 play under pressure

    A already covered Tui versus Browning.

    2000 was clutch because Tui was clutch. 2016 was not because Browning was Brownsox.

    Tha's why I said 2000 wins any close game but 2016 wins the blowouts.
    poont of order: I'm talking the under on whatever percentage of gaymes you think would be a blowout
    If they played 10 times the o/u is 5 2016 blowouts and 5 2000 squeekers
    I suspect a lot of our? recency bias creeps (no pun intended @creepycoug ) into the 2000 vs 2016 debate. If you poll this bored at the end of the 2016 season, I'd wager a solid majority still consider the 2016 squad to have been better than 2000.

    But add in the disappointments of 2017- 18 combined with the Brownsocks regression, Rapp sitting out the Rose Bowl, Pete losing the fire in his belly, etc, and folks start to feel differently. I think some of that 2017- 18 taint tarnished the legacy of 2016 which was a really great football team. Everyone ended up hating Browing, whereas Tui is one of our most beloved players of all time.
    2000 team beat teams they weren't supposed to and 2016 lost to the two teams more talented than them they played.

    I mostly agree with @dnc and not because I'm scared of being bullied. I'd give the favorable odds to 2000 but not by a lot.

    2000 totally capable of pulling out games against superior talent.

    2016 could beat teams they were more talented than. Don't forget they also came really close to losing to Utah.
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