I really hope this is true, but I know for a fact that it’s not.
Because this defense is too fucking soft to hurt anybody, let alone intentionally.
Is there a rule against pulling a player who has the ball back from the goal line? Is that a thing? If Gebbia got hurt it’s because he looks like a Make-a-Wish kid who wanted to be a farm school QB as his wish. Everyone involved should be ashamed they let that guy be the winning QB.
I really hope this is true, but I know for a fact that it’s not.
Because this defense is too fucking soft to hurt anybody, let alone intentionally.
Is there a rule against pulling a player who has the ball back from the goal line? Is that a thing? If Gebbia got hurt it’s because he looks like a Make-a-Wish kid who wanted to be a farm school QB as his wish. Everyone involved should be ashamed they let that guy be the winning QB.
This is like the SCOTUS definition for porn. I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
I really hope this is true, but I know for a fact that it’s not.
Because this defense is too fucking soft to hurt anybody, let alone intentionally.
Is there a rule against pulling a player who has the ball back from the goal line? Is that a thing? If Gebbia got hurt it’s because he looks like a Make-a-Wish kid who wanted to be a farm school QB as his wish. Everyone involved should be ashamed they let that guy be the winning QB.
This is like the SCOTUS definition for porn. I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
Stay classy duck fan.
I thought the post was made in jest to poke fun at Karen Machado. You're actually being serious? You think this was a dirty play by #23 to intentionally injure Gebbia? I’m sure the dozen Beaver fans are gnashing their collective tooth at the latest misdeeds of Phil’s bought and paid for thugs.
It just simply wasn’t anything dirty. A football play. A guy unfortunately got hurt, it’s an unpleasant part of the game. I’ve been making fun of Gebbia for months, and him having a hamstring or thigh injury doesn’t suddenly make him immune. For example: he couldn’t even finish the upset, his teammate had to come in and score the TD.
I'm empathetic to football injuries, especially malicious ones. My less than illustrious high school football career ended with me leaving the field in an ambulance when my femur was snapped. Well after I ran into the end zone and the whistle was blown. A couple of surgeries later I got to experience not being able to walk without crutches for six months. I can assure you that kids are not as mean as you'd think to the kid who had his pants cut off in front of everyone he knew while screaming for more morphine. Well, not everyone I knew. My dad was on a business trip and my mom had said it was too cold to go to the game.
There is a happy ending, the coaches and a vice principal came to visit me with a flower bouquet, a reminder that we signed a waiver, and they wanted me to know that a 15 yard penalty was called - so I got to make one last contribution to the team. The occasional, crippling knee pain from having to place and remove long, titanium nails into my femur through there only bothers me a few times per week and, I assume, as I keep getting older it will only improve.
1. Not illegal. You can pull a ball carrier off (ball carrier only) or out of the pile to your hearts content. You can't do it after the whistle, if the Pac-12 meets out any punishment it could be for that. But I strongly doubt they would when someone is following the rules, protecting their own safety, and because of the specter of it appearing to be retaliation for this summer.
2. If you were trying injure someone would pulling their leg be your move of choice? McKinley’s intention appears to be to pull the ball carrier back given the obvious situation. No twisting the ankle, trying to break his leg, more like tug of war. Injuries happen, when heavy bodies are involved. Either McKinley was trying to prevent a TD, or he makes a split second decision to try and rip Gebbia’s leg off for bloodlust.
Go ahead and keep being a sanctimonious dick. I’m going to guess you can identify porn a lot more accurately than a dirty football play.
I really hope this is true, but I know for a fact that it’s not.
Because this defense is too fucking soft to hurt anybody, let alone intentionally.
Is there a rule against pulling a player who has the ball back from the goal line? Is that a thing? If Gebbia got hurt it’s because he looks like a Make-a-Wish kid who wanted to be a farm school QB as his wish. Everyone involved should be ashamed they let that guy be the winning QB.
This is like the SCOTUS definition for porn. I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
Stay classy duck fan.
I thought the post was made in jest to poke fun at Karen Machado. You're actually being serious? You think this was a dirty play by #23 to intentionally injure Gebbia? I’m sure the dozen Beaver fans are gnashing their collective tooth at the latest misdeeds of Phil’s bought and paid for thugs.
It just simply wasn’t anything dirty. A football play. A guy unfortunately got hurt, it’s an unpleasant part of the game. I’ve been making fun of Gebbia for months, and him having a hamstring or thigh injury doesn’t suddenly make him immune. For example: he couldn’t even finish the upset, his teammate had to come in and score the TD.
I'm empathetic to football injuries, especially malicious ones. My less than illustrious high school football career ended with me leaving the field in an ambulance when my femur was snapped. Well after I ran into the end zone and the whistle was blown. A couple of surgeries later I got to experience not being able to walk without crutches for six months. I can assure you that kids are not as mean as you'd think to the kid who had his pants cut off in front of everyone he knew while screaming for more morphine. Well, not everyone I knew. My dad was on a business trip and my mom had said it was too cold to go to the game.
There is a happy ending, the coaches and a vice principal came to visit me with a flower bouquet, a reminder that we signed a waiver, and they wanted me to know that a 15 yard penalty was called - so I got to make one last contribution to the team. The occasional, crippling knee pain from having to place and remove long, titanium nails into my femur through there only bothers me a few times per week and, I assume, as I keep getting older it will only improve.
1. Not illegal. You can pull a ball carrier off (ball carrier only) or out of the pile to your hearts content. You can't do it after the whistle, if the Pac-12 meets out any punishment it could be for that. But I strongly doubt they would when someone is following the rules, protecting their own safety, and because of the specter of it appearing to be retaliation for this summer.
2. If you were trying injure someone would pulling their leg be your move of choice? McKinley’s intention appears to be to pull the ball carrier back given the obvious situation. No twisting the ankle, trying to break his leg, more like tug of war. Injuries happen, when heavy bodies are involved. Either McKinley was trying to prevent a TD, or he makes a split second decision to try and rip Gebbia’s leg off for bloodlust.
Go ahead and keep being a sanctimonious dick. I’m going to guess you can identify porn a lot more accurately than a dirty football play.
I really hope this is true, but I know for a fact that it’s not.
Because this defense is too fucking soft to hurt anybody, let alone intentionally.
Is there a rule against pulling a player who has the ball back from the goal line? Is that a thing? If Gebbia got hurt it’s because he looks like a Make-a-Wish kid who wanted to be a farm school QB as his wish. Everyone involved should be ashamed they let that guy be the winning QB.
This is like the SCOTUS definition for porn. I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
Stay classy duck fan.
I thought the post was made in jest to poke fun at Karen Machado. You're actually being serious? You think this was a dirty play by #23 to intentionally injure Gebbia? I’m sure the dozen Beaver fans are gnashing their collective tooth at the latest misdeeds of Phil’s bought and paid for thugs.
It just simply wasn’t anything dirty. A football play. A guy unfortunately got hurt, it’s an unpleasant part of the game. I’ve been making fun of Gebbia for months, and him having a hamstring or thigh injury doesn’t suddenly make him immune. For example: he couldn’t even finish the upset, his teammate had to come in and score the TD.
I'm empathetic to football injuries, especially malicious ones. My less than illustrious high school football career ended with me leaving the field in an ambulance when my femur was snapped. Well after I ran into the end zone and the whistle was blown. A couple of surgeries later I got to experience not being able to walk without crutches for six months. I can assure you that kids are not as mean as you'd think to the kid who had his pants cut off in front of everyone he knew while screaming for more morphine. Well, not everyone I knew. My dad was on a business trip and my mom had said it was too cold to go to the game.
There is a happy ending, the coaches and a vice principal came to visit me with a flower bouquet, a reminder that we signed a waiver, and they wanted me to know that a 15 yard penalty was called - so I got to make one last contribution to the team. The occasional, crippling knee pain from having to place and remove long, titanium nails into my femur through there only bothers me a few times per week and, I assume, as I keep getting older it will only improve.
1. Not illegal. You can pull a ball carrier off (ball carrier only) or out of the pile to your hearts content. You can't do it after the whistle, if the Pac-12 meets out any punishment it could be for that. But I strongly doubt they would when someone is following the rules, protecting their own safety, and because of the specter of it appearing to be retaliation for this summer.
2. If you were trying injure someone would pulling their leg be your move of choice? McKinley’s intention appears to be to pull the ball carrier back given the obvious situation. No twisting the ankle, trying to break his leg, more like tug of war. Injuries happen, when heavy bodies are involved. Either McKinley was trying to prevent a TD, or he makes a split second decision to try and rip Gebbia’s leg off for bloodlust.
Go ahead and keep being a sanctimonious dick. I’m going to guess you can identify porn a lot more accurately than a dirty football play.
I don't see enough to say it's dirty or he's intentionally trying to hurt him. If this was UW and one of our? guys was in that position and didn't pull on the QBs leg, I'd call a pussy for giving up on the play.
In summary, Unless YOU have proof in HAND...it’s speculation for YOU. ‘Those who know’....meaning YOU are not a ‘THOSE’. I didn’t create the English language but ‘speculation’ is pretty cut and dry. Unless you are an eye witness, YOU are speculating. Word of mouth is not proof.
I really hope this is true, but I know for a fact that it’s not.
Because this defense is too fucking soft to hurt anybody, let alone intentionally.
Is there a rule against pulling a player who has the ball back from the goal line? Is that a thing? If Gebbia got hurt it’s because he looks like a Make-a-Wish kid who wanted to be a farm school QB as his wish. Everyone involved should be ashamed they let that guy be the winning QB.
This is like the SCOTUS definition for porn. I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
Stay classy duck fan.
I thought the post was made in jest to poke fun at Karen Machado. You're actually being serious? You think this was a dirty play by #23 to intentionally injure Gebbia? I’m sure the dozen Beaver fans are gnashing their collective tooth at the latest misdeeds of Phil’s bought and paid for thugs.
It just simply wasn’t anything dirty. A football play. A guy unfortunately got hurt, it’s an unpleasant part of the game. I’ve been making fun of Gebbia for months, and him having a hamstring or thigh injury doesn’t suddenly make him immune. For example: he couldn’t even finish the upset, his teammate had to come in and score the TD.
I'm empathetic to football injuries, especially malicious ones. My less than illustrious high school football career ended with me leaving the field in an ambulance when my femur was snapped. Well after I ran into the end zone and the whistle was blown. A couple of surgeries later I got to experience not being able to walk without crutches for six months. I can assure you that kids are not as mean as you'd think to the kid who had his pants cut off in front of everyone he knew while screaming for more morphine. Well, not everyone I knew. My dad was on a business trip and my mom had said it was too cold to go to the game.
There is a happy ending, the coaches and a vice principal came to visit me with a flower bouquet, a reminder that we signed a waiver, and they wanted me to know that a 15 yard penalty was called - so I got to make one last contribution to the team. The occasional, crippling knee pain from having to place and remove long, titanium nails into my femur through there only bothers me a few times per week and, I assume, as I keep getting older it will only improve.
1. Not illegal. You can pull a ball carrier off (ball carrier only) or out of the pile to your hearts content. You can't do it after the whistle, if the Pac-12 meets out any punishment it could be for that. But I strongly doubt they would when someone is following the rules, protecting their own safety, and because of the specter of it appearing to be retaliation for this summer.
2. If you were trying injure someone would pulling their leg be your move of choice? McKinley’s intention appears to be to pull the ball carrier back given the obvious situation. No twisting the ankle, trying to break his leg, more like tug of war. Injuries happen, when heavy bodies are involved. Either McKinley was trying to prevent a TD, or he makes a split second decision to try and rip Gebbia’s leg off for bloodlust.
Go ahead and keep being a sanctimonious dick. I’m going to guess you can identify porn a lot more accurately than a dirty football play.
My mom and dad would have been there to see my femur get snapped. My mommy and daddy loved me.
@RatherBeBrewing, the only part about what you wrote that I don't understand is your choice of the words "protecting their own safety." What part of yanking on another player's leg makes either party more safe?
On the other hand, it looks to me like it wasn't the leg yank that hurt Gebbia but rather his own offensive linemen falling on the leg while it was being extended by the defensive player--well after the whistle, clearly.
I don't think there has to be intention of injury for a play to be dirty. Chop blocks get called multiple times per season, are insanely dangerous and dirty, and I doubt in many--if any--cases are the blockers saying to each other beforehand, "Let's break this fucker's leg." I'm sure you're right in that #23 was just trying to pull the QB back away from the goal line (through a pile of 300 lb. bodies) and didn't mean to get him hurt, but that doesn't mean it wasn't stupid, dangerous, and therefore dirty. His completely unnecessary and post-whistle action caused an injury. Simple as that.
@RatherBeBrewing, the only part about what you wrote that I don't understand is your choice of the words "protecting their own safety." What part of yanking on another player's leg makes either party more safe?
On the other hand, it looks to me like it wasn't the leg yank that hurt Gebbia but rather his own offensive linemen falling on the leg while it was being extended by the defensive player--well after the whistle, clearly.
I don't think there has to be intention of injury for a play to be dirty. Chop blocks get called multiple times per season, are insanely dangerous and dirty, and I doubt in many--if any--cases are the blockers saying to each other beforehand, "Let's break this fucker's leg." I'm sure you're right in that #23 was just trying to pull the QB back away from the goal line (through a pile of 300 lb. bodies) and didn't mean to get him hurt, but that doesn't mean it wasn't stupid, dangerous, and therefore dirty. His completely unnecessary and post-whistle action caused an injury. Simple as that.
On the protecting their own safety part I meant that McKinley could easily say letting go of Gebbia’s leg earlier instead of lowering himself could lead to the shifting Oregon State players falling on him. They do land on him eventually.
I did think the cause of the injury was that the two OL in orange falling on Gebbia. Outstretched leg is undoubtedly a factor, although it was outstretched regardless of McKinley I’m not qualified to determine how much, if at all, his actions contributed to it.
My two points of contention:
1. It is framed as not being an accidental injury, and as being caused by McKinley. That would mean that it was not unexpected and McKinley knew that his act would lead to injury, which is obviously absurd.
2. Really giving the “not an accident” term the benefit of the doubt and pretending that they meant it was an at fault accident. Meaning McKinley acted with the foresight that his actions would lead to injury. I don’t think a reasonable person would think that pulling a player away from the goal line, a common act in football, was likely to lead to injury. Otherwise all football plays where someone is injured due to contact would be considered as such.
The issue now is whether the play is dirty. Before the whistle it’s legal by the rules. The chop block is not, so it’s a poor comparison. Can a play be legal and dirty at the same time? I’m willing to listen to opinions, I can’t think of a legal football play that is.
As far as after the whistle, we can tell many parties are still fighting for position. By the letter of the rule those involved are violating the pile rule that was introduced in 2015. Is McKinley dirty because the guy he was with hurt got hurt, whether he was the cause or not? That’s a judgement call.
I’ve wasted too much time on this as is. I don’t care as much as it may seem. I’m a fan of a school where a star player sucker punched a guy and then tried to fight a stadium of drunken hillbillies. I do strongly dislike sanctimony and fake concern borne from rivalry. I also don’t like Karens like Machado who get outraged at football things like this and find an authority to report it to, yet I’ve never seen her question why Oregon State’s starting TE was dropped by Oregon. Hint: it involved an allegation and a long police investigation into some sexual violence. Yet the outrage flows freely when a rival can be painted in the wrong light.
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Because this defense is too fucking soft to hurt anybody, let alone intentionally.
Is there a rule against pulling a player who has the ball back from the goal line? Is that a thing? If Gebbia got hurt it’s because he looks like a Make-a-Wish kid who wanted to be a farm school QB as his wish. Everyone involved should be ashamed they let that guy be the winning QB.
Stay classy duck fan.
It just simply wasn’t anything dirty. A football play. A guy unfortunately got hurt, it’s an unpleasant part of the game. I’ve been making fun of Gebbia for months, and him having a hamstring or thigh injury doesn’t suddenly make him immune. For example: he couldn’t even finish the upset, his teammate had to come in and score the TD.
I'm empathetic to football injuries, especially malicious ones. My less than illustrious high school football career ended with me leaving the field in an ambulance when my femur was snapped. Well after I ran into the end zone and the whistle was blown. A couple of surgeries later I got to experience not being able to walk without crutches for six months. I can assure you that kids are not as mean as you'd think to the kid who had his pants cut off in front of everyone he knew while screaming for more morphine. Well, not everyone I knew. My dad was on a business trip and my mom had said it was too cold to go to the game.
There is a happy ending, the coaches and a vice principal came to visit me with a flower bouquet, a reminder that we signed a waiver, and they wanted me to know that a 15 yard penalty was called - so I got to make one last contribution to the team. The occasional, crippling knee pain from having to place and remove long, titanium nails into my femur through there only bothers me a few times per week and, I assume, as I keep getting older it will only improve.
Judge for yourself what’s so bad about this:
1. Not illegal. You can pull a ball carrier off (ball carrier only) or out of the pile to your hearts content. You can't do it after the whistle, if the Pac-12 meets out any punishment it could be for that. But I strongly doubt they would when someone is following the rules, protecting their own safety, and because of the specter of it appearing to be retaliation for this summer.
2. If you were trying injure someone would pulling their leg be your move of choice? McKinley’s intention appears to be to pull the ball carrier back given the obvious situation. No twisting the ankle, trying to break his leg, more like tug of war. Injuries happen, when heavy bodies are involved. Either McKinley was trying to prevent a TD, or he makes a split second decision to try and rip Gebbia’s leg off for bloodlust.
Go ahead and keep being a sanctimonious dick. I’m going to guess you can identify porn a lot more accurately than a dirty football play.
In summary, Unless YOU have proof in HAND...it’s speculation for YOU. ‘Those who know’....meaning YOU are not a ‘THOSE’. I didn’t create the English language but ‘speculation’ is pretty cut and dry. Unless you are an eye witness, YOU are speculating. Word of mouth is not proof.
On the other hand, it looks to me like it wasn't the leg yank that hurt Gebbia but rather his own offensive linemen falling on the leg while it was being extended by the defensive player--well after the whistle, clearly.
I don't think there has to be intention of injury for a play to be dirty. Chop blocks get called multiple times per season, are insanely dangerous and dirty, and I doubt in many--if any--cases are the blockers saying to each other beforehand, "Let's break this fucker's leg." I'm sure you're right in that #23 was just trying to pull the QB back away from the goal line (through a pile of 300 lb. bodies) and didn't mean to get him hurt, but that doesn't mean it wasn't stupid, dangerous, and therefore dirty. His completely unnecessary and post-whistle action caused an injury. Simple as that.
I did think the cause of the injury was that the two OL in orange falling on Gebbia. Outstretched leg is undoubtedly a factor, although it was outstretched regardless of McKinley I’m not qualified to determine how much, if at all, his actions contributed to it.
My two points of contention:
1. It is framed as not being an accidental injury, and as being caused by McKinley. That would mean that it was not unexpected and McKinley knew that his act would lead to injury, which is obviously absurd.
2. Really giving the “not an accident” term the benefit of the doubt and pretending that they meant it was an at fault accident. Meaning McKinley acted with the foresight that his actions would lead to injury. I don’t think a reasonable person would think that pulling a player away from the goal line, a common act in football, was likely to lead to injury. Otherwise all football plays where someone is injured due to contact would be considered as such.
The issue now is whether the play is dirty. Before the whistle it’s legal by the rules. The chop block is not, so it’s a poor comparison. Can a play be legal and dirty at the same time? I’m willing to listen to opinions, I can’t think of a legal football play that is.
As far as after the whistle, we can tell many parties are still fighting for position. By the letter of the rule those involved are violating the pile rule that was introduced in 2015. Is McKinley dirty because the guy he was with hurt got hurt, whether he was the cause or not? That’s a judgement call.
I’ve wasted too much time on this as is. I don’t care as much as it may seem. I’m a fan of a school where a star player sucker punched a guy and then tried to fight a stadium of drunken hillbillies. I do strongly dislike sanctimony and fake concern borne from rivalry. I also don’t like Karens like Machado who get outraged at football things like this and find an authority to report it to, yet I’ve never seen her question why Oregon State’s starting TE was dropped by Oregon. Hint: it involved an allegation and a long police investigation into some sexual violence. Yet the outrage flows freely when a rival can be painted in the wrong light.
Lolz. People who used to cheer on Danny the Alligator Shelton worried about Beav.