How bad was that crappy offense holding Herbert back?
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Mariota was never the backup to Thomas. Technically he was on roster, but he was redshirted so he wasn't actually active. It's going to be more difficult since the NCAA now allows for the four game rule.NorthwestFresh said:
Shough will have to beat out Ty Thompson next year. Could be a Darron Thomas/Mariota situation where the clearly better QB is the back-up.IPukeOregonGrellow said:The fundamental difference between last year and this year is shown in the tight end play.
After Breeland got hurt last year, Arroyo essentially doubled down on two tight end sets with Kampmoyer and Bay, forcing Kampmoyer in particular to run Breeland routes and running a way too high percentage of keeping 7 and 8 blockers in pass sets. The two repaid him with a combined ten catches and teams realized quickly the ball wasn’t heading in that direction at all.
Moorehead has been in the same situation, but instead of doubling down on what his depth pieces can’t do, he’s found ways to scheme converted defensive linemen open. Using simple routes where one defender essentially has to choose if he wants the QB to run the ball for 20 yards or the TE to take a screen pass that far. Kampmoyer put up more stats in the UCLA game than he did in all of 2019 for that reason and DJ Johnson did the same the two games before that.
Shough is a guy who’s going to spend a year on an NFL practice squad before heading off to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, in part because every time he tries to throw the ball in the middle of the field high comedy ensues. But he’s throwing for over 10 yards per attempt and going to put up better numbers than Herbert because Moorehead actually has an offensive scheme. -
Shough cannot throw over the middle unless the man is wide open or a shallow route, which I absolutely cannot understand given his accuracy on sideline throws. That, combined with occasional blitz indecision and a few head scratching throw choices per game are his faults now.
Duck fans overreact as bad as anyone. Name me one Duck QB that produced more total offense in his first three starts. Doesn’t even have to be conference games, feel free to use cupcakes. Since there are none you can list all the Oregon QBs that averaged 360 yards of offense for a three game stretch. Moorhead deserves a lot of that credit, but it’s not like all those past QBs only had Andy Ludwig or Arroyo calling plays. -
UCLA isn’t very good but this is their best team under CK.
And since you appear to be a pac12 aficionado you’ll know Arizona is on a 9 game losing streak all by around an average of 25 points. And they won’t win a game this season. They’re the worst team in this league.
But that’s really none of my business. -
My fear is that this could be the first crack of daylight into a new reality in which Chip is not, in fact, done, and has that thing moving in the winning direction.RaceBannon said:UCLA isn’t very good but this is their best team under CK.
And since you appear to be a pac12 aficionado you’ll know Arizona is on a 9 game losing streak all by around an average of 25 points. And they won’t win a game this season. They’re the worst team in this league.
But that’s really none of my business.
I would absolutely hate that because Chip's #1 weakness is recruiting. If UCLA starts winning, that weakness won't matter nearly as much as it does coaching most other places.
I hope it was a case of Oregon playing like shit and UCLA playing over their heads, which all teams do once or twice in a given season. But I am watching with some trepidation. -
Hoping experience plays into it, too. He threw 3 balls that should have been picked v furd, 2 bad ones vs Wazzu. I don’t recall any egregious throws last weekend. So, improvement?RatherBeBrewing said:Shough cannot throw over the middle unless the man is wide open or a shallow route, which I absolutely cannot understand given his accuracy on sideline throws. That, combined with occasional blitz indecision and a few head scratching throw choices per game are his faults now.
Duck fans overreact as bad as anyone. Name me one Duck QB that produced more total offense in his first three starts. Doesn’t even have to be conference games, feel free to use cupcakes. Since there are none you can list all the Oregon QBs that averaged 360 yards of offense for a three game stretch. Moorhead deserves a lot of that credit, but it’s not like all those past QBs only had Andy Ludwig or Arroyo calling plays. -
That’s true he Red-shirted but reports were he was kicking ass all camp but Chip didn’t want to bench Thomas. Thomas read the tea leaves and opted to leave UO for Arena football so he wouldn’t have been benched his senior season.greenblood said:
Mariota was never the backup to Thomas. Technically he was on roster, but he was redshirted so he wasn't actually active. It's going to be more difficult since the NCAA now allows for the four game rule.NorthwestFresh said:
Shough will have to beat out Ty Thompson next year. Could be a Darron Thomas/Mariota situation where the clearly better QB is the back-up.IPukeOregonGrellow said:The fundamental difference between last year and this year is shown in the tight end play.
After Breeland got hurt last year, Arroyo essentially doubled down on two tight end sets with Kampmoyer and Bay, forcing Kampmoyer in particular to run Breeland routes and running a way too high percentage of keeping 7 and 8 blockers in pass sets. The two repaid him with a combined ten catches and teams realized quickly the ball wasn’t heading in that direction at all.
Moorehead has been in the same situation, but instead of doubling down on what his depth pieces can’t do, he’s found ways to scheme converted defensive linemen open. Using simple routes where one defender essentially has to choose if he wants the QB to run the ball for 20 yards or the TE to take a screen pass that far. Kampmoyer put up more stats in the UCLA game than he did in all of 2019 for that reason and DJ Johnson did the same the two games before that.
Shough is a guy who’s going to spend a year on an NFL practice squad before heading off to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, in part because every time he tries to throw the ball in the middle of the field high comedy ensues. But he’s throwing for over 10 yards per attempt and going to put up better numbers than Herbert because Moorehead actually has an offensive scheme. -
Marcus had a shoulder issue his first year which is why they redshirted him, to allow it to heal.NorthwestFresh said:
That’s true he Red-shirted but reports were he was kicking ass all camp but Chip didn’t want to bench Thomas. Thomas read the tea leaves and opted to leave UO for Arena football so he wouldn’t have been benched his senior season.greenblood said:
Mariota was never the backup to Thomas. Technically he was on roster, but he was redshirted so he wasn't actually active. It's going to be more difficult since the NCAA now allows for the four game rule.NorthwestFresh said:
Shough will have to beat out Ty Thompson next year. Could be a Darron Thomas/Mariota situation where the clearly better QB is the back-up.IPukeOregonGrellow said:The fundamental difference between last year and this year is shown in the tight end play.
After Breeland got hurt last year, Arroyo essentially doubled down on two tight end sets with Kampmoyer and Bay, forcing Kampmoyer in particular to run Breeland routes and running a way too high percentage of keeping 7 and 8 blockers in pass sets. The two repaid him with a combined ten catches and teams realized quickly the ball wasn’t heading in that direction at all.
Moorehead has been in the same situation, but instead of doubling down on what his depth pieces can’t do, he’s found ways to scheme converted defensive linemen open. Using simple routes where one defender essentially has to choose if he wants the QB to run the ball for 20 yards or the TE to take a screen pass that far. Kampmoyer put up more stats in the UCLA game than he did in all of 2019 for that reason and DJ Johnson did the same the two games before that.
Shough is a guy who’s going to spend a year on an NFL practice squad before heading off to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, in part because every time he tries to throw the ball in the middle of the field high comedy ensues. But he’s throwing for over 10 yards per attempt and going to put up better numbers than Herbert because Moorehead actually has an offensive scheme. -
Darron Thomas was closer to winning a Natty than Herbert or Mariota, and he had a less successful pro career than even Dakota Prukop and Bryan Bennett. Shough's arm talent is more slightly better Browning than slightly worse Herbert. The throw he made to Redd at the end of the first half against Wazzu, Herbert places into the end zone. But at the same point, he's been fairly accurate, has his reads down better than Burmeister ever did, and isn't afraid to run the damn ball. Better defenses are going to do a better job of forcing him to do things he's uncomfortable with, though.RatherBeBrewing said:Shough cannot throw over the middle unless the man is wide open or a shallow route, which I absolutely cannot understand given his accuracy on sideline throws. That, combined with occasional blitz indecision and a few head scratching throw choices per game are his faults now.
Duck fans overreact as bad as anyone. Name me one Duck QB that produced more total offense in his first three starts. Doesn’t even have to be conference games, feel free to use cupcakes. Since there are none you can list all the Oregon QBs that averaged 360 yards of offense for a three game stretch. Moorhead deserves a lot of that credit, but it’s not like all those past QBs only had Andy Ludwig or Arroyo calling plays.
I don't buy Thompson is coming in and easily stripping the starting job from him. I do buy that in 25 years he'll be more remembered the way Tony Graziani or Danny O'Neil are now as opposed to Akili Smith or Harrington. -
He’ll die before he reaches stardom unfortunately it’s what the chargers do.
