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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,468
    president has such vast power WRT foreign policy - it has been a constant battle between the legislative and the executive branch every time Congress tries to impose their will on foreign policy, and usually Congress is unsuccessful.

    This is why I tend toward an outcomes-based view of Presidential foreign policy - if it works, you win. If it fails, you were wrong.
  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,842
    AZDuck said:

    president has such vast power WRT foreign policy - it has been a constant battle between the legislative and the executive branch every time Congress tries to impose their will on foreign policy, and usually Congress is unsuccessful.

    This is why I tend toward an outcomes-based view of Presidential foreign policy - if it works, you win. If it fails, you were wrong.

    Does vast power exceed the written law?
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    well... if it didn't then could the power really be considered vast?
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,468
    edited June 2014
    that's the thing. the constitution gives vast powers in foreign policy to the executive. Congressional attempts to rein in this power have not been very successful. theres no clear cut black and white answer, as this is one of the friction points in the separation of powers
    topdawgnc said:

    does vast power trump the written law?

  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,842
    AZDuck said:

    that's the thing. the constitution gives vast powers in foreign policy to the executive. Congressional attempts to rein in this power have not been very successful. theres no clear cut black and white answer, as this is one of the friction points in the separation of powers


    topdawgnc said:

    does vast power trump the written law?

    I guess when a law says "Notify Congress 30 days prior to the release of prisoners from Gitmo"

    The President, who signed the bill into law, can say ... there is no clear black and white answer.

    What laws does a President have to follow?
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,468
    The Prez will invoke his powers to conduct foreign policy as the prisoner release was part of negotiations with the Taliban. If Congress wants, they can try to impeach. They don't have the votes, though. See "Dolan Amendment." Lather, rinse repeat.

    If the GOP wants a constitutional crisis, they can have one. I just don't think it will succeed.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    DeepSeaZ said:

    Maybe the newly free have tracking devices implanted. Maybe that leafs to a real nice drone strike.

    #StarWars
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,749 Founders Club
    A lot of people got whooshed at the top. Just pointing it out. Fuckers.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    topdawgnc said:

    Fenwick said:

    how is he different than any other President?

    Not talking about any other President.

    Maybe you need to call someone who has the place dialed in.
    Then why are you upset that people don't give a fuck, just like they don't with any other President?
    Why? You must ask why?
    Because that glorious November night, we got the Change we could believe in. Because that transcendent night, we finally got the America we could believe in. He promised it would be different this time. He promised.... Hope.

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  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,842
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