How bad was that crappy offense holding Herbert back?
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He has some real receivers in Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and TEcHunter Henry and an absolute cannon for an arm that he never got to use at UO with the CJ runs up the middle all day long. This TD to Allen was a 30-yard laser and he’s running to his left.
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No difference from Phillip Rivers
Still lose by one score in the last two minutes. Or occasionally win
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Receivers. His receiving corp at Oregon was B average and they always had the drops.NorthwestFresh said:He has some real receivers in Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and TEcHunter Henry and an absolute cannon for an arm that he never got to use at UO with the CJ runs up the middle all day long. This TD to Allen was a 30-yard laser and he’s running to his left.
What I wondered about was whether Herbert had the heart. It was hard to see at Oregon at times.
Everybody always knew he had the tools. That was evident his freshman year. The one that still stands out to me is the pass against Auburn when the defender his hitting him low at the knees and he is rocking back and finds the TE in the end zone ... what was that, 35 or so yards, and the throw was zipped high and away where the TE could just reach up and grab it ... that throw was all arm falling backwards. That's an arm. -
I agree with Creep, on him not having receivers and questions about his heart or whatever the fuck you want to call that it factor. Some players have the it factor but not the physical skill or vice versa. If you have both and the person is hard working enough and at the right fit you get superstars.
The NFL and everyone overanalyzed Herbert and ignored an incredible rare combination of arm talent in all aspects: velocity, rpm, placement, distance. You can get away with being an arm punter in college, in the NFL it’s a deal breaker.
That arm talent is worth a lot less when you spend most of your career with Dillon Mitchell as your star WR, instead of the combined 7 first round WRs Tua and Burrow had. He drilled Keenan Allen in the chest yesterday with a rocket on an anticipation throw, and one of the top WRs in the NFL barely made that play.
The offense of Arroyo was shit for showcasing him, true. It was made to be conservative, because 2nd and 6 works good enough to win. And it was also made to protect Herbert because Braxton Buttmeister traumatized everyone who saw him for life.
Herbert didn’t do himself any favors because 2% of the time he made the worst possible play. He still does it in the NFL. But a 22 year old that looks 16 becoming a better decision maker? Who would have thunk it. NFL scouts made the mistake of missing the forest for the trees, and convinced Joe Schmo that Herbert is the guy that throws at a defender or into the next area code more often than he makes a throw that like ten guys in the world can make.
Overall a massive win for Oregon and Cristobal. Recruits will love it. In a year or two everyone will forget anything negative some draft nerd wrote. If Herbert continues to play like this he will be a superstar and a household name. -
Herbert's footwork was a mess at times in college ... it was at a level that Jack Lockner would have approved of
From what I've seen he's largely cleaned that up at the NFL level ... and the tools are showing themselves much more consistently.
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Anyone remember MacMallard from eDuck? He was a basketball scout, but he'd always say "Who's running it?" WRI.
Well, WRI?
Hint: same guy as last year. -
The fundamental difference between last year and this year is shown in the tight end play.
After Breeland got hurt last year, Arroyo essentially doubled down on two tight end sets with Kampmoyer and Bay, forcing Kampmoyer in particular to run Breeland routes and running a way too high percentage of keeping 7 and 8 blockers in pass sets. The two repaid him with a combined ten catches and teams realized quickly the ball wasn’t heading in that direction at all.
Moorehead has been in the same situation, but instead of doubling down on what his depth pieces can’t do, he’s found ways to scheme converted defensive linemen open. Using simple routes where one defender essentially has to choose if he wants the QB to run the ball for 20 yards or the TE to take a screen pass that far. Kampmoyer put up more stats in the UCLA game than he did in all of 2019 for that reason and DJ Johnson did the same the two games before that.
Shough is a guy who’s going to spend a year on an NFL practice squad before heading off to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, in part because every time he tries to throw the ball in the middle of the field high comedy ensues. But he’s throwing for over 10 yards per attempt and going to put up better numbers than Herbert because Moorehead actually has an offensive scheme.
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He'll join Jason Maas and Macstoli as CFL MVPs.IPukeOregonGrellow said:The fundamental difference between last year and this year is shown in the tight end play.
After Breeland got hurt last year, Arroyo essentially doubled down on two tight end sets with Kampmoyer and Bay, forcing Kampmoyer in particular to run Breeland routes and running a way too high percentage of keeping 7 and 8 blockers in pass sets. The two repaid him with a combined ten catches and teams realized quickly the ball wasn’t heading in that direction at all.
Moorehead has been in the same situation, but instead of doubling down on what his depth pieces can’t do, he’s found ways to scheme converted defensive linemen open. Using simple routes where one defender essentially has to choose if he wants the QB to run the ball for 20 yards or the TE to take a screen pass that far. Kampmoyer put up more stats in the UCLA game than he did in all of 2019 for that reason and DJ Johnson did the same the two games before that.
Shough is a guy who’s going to spend a year on an NFL practice squad before heading off to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, in part because every time he tries to throw the ball in the middle of the field high comedy ensues. But he’s throwing for over 10 yards per attempt and going to put up better numbers than Herbert because Moorehead actually has an offensive scheme. -
Why do you hate VAJ?dtd said:
He'll join Jason Maas and Macstoli as CFL MVPs.IPukeOregonGrellow said:The fundamental difference between last year and this year is shown in the tight end play.
After Breeland got hurt last year, Arroyo essentially doubled down on two tight end sets with Kampmoyer and Bay, forcing Kampmoyer in particular to run Breeland routes and running a way too high percentage of keeping 7 and 8 blockers in pass sets. The two repaid him with a combined ten catches and teams realized quickly the ball wasn’t heading in that direction at all.
Moorehead has been in the same situation, but instead of doubling down on what his depth pieces can’t do, he’s found ways to scheme converted defensive linemen open. Using simple routes where one defender essentially has to choose if he wants the QB to run the ball for 20 yards or the TE to take a screen pass that far. Kampmoyer put up more stats in the UCLA game than he did in all of 2019 for that reason and DJ Johnson did the same the two games before that.
Shough is a guy who’s going to spend a year on an NFL practice squad before heading off to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, in part because every time he tries to throw the ball in the middle of the field high comedy ensues. But he’s throwing for over 10 yards per attempt and going to put up better numbers than Herbert because Moorehead actually has an offensive scheme. -
Shough will have to beat out Ty Thompson next year. Could be a Darron Thomas/Mariota situation where the clearly better QB is the back-up.IPukeOregonGrellow said:The fundamental difference between last year and this year is shown in the tight end play.
After Breeland got hurt last year, Arroyo essentially doubled down on two tight end sets with Kampmoyer and Bay, forcing Kampmoyer in particular to run Breeland routes and running a way too high percentage of keeping 7 and 8 blockers in pass sets. The two repaid him with a combined ten catches and teams realized quickly the ball wasn’t heading in that direction at all.
Moorehead has been in the same situation, but instead of doubling down on what his depth pieces can’t do, he’s found ways to scheme converted defensive linemen open. Using simple routes where one defender essentially has to choose if he wants the QB to run the ball for 20 yards or the TE to take a screen pass that far. Kampmoyer put up more stats in the UCLA game than he did in all of 2019 for that reason and DJ Johnson did the same the two games before that.
Shough is a guy who’s going to spend a year on an NFL practice squad before heading off to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, in part because every time he tries to throw the ball in the middle of the field high comedy ensues. But he’s throwing for over 10 yards per attempt and going to put up better numbers than Herbert because Moorehead actually has an offensive scheme.
