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Zion Tupuola-Fetui, 3* 2018 BUCK, Pearl City, HI (COMMITTED)
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Kind of looks like him size wise but JoJo's senior film was insane, he was destroying people right and left. I thought Mathis was going to be a superstar. I like Zion.WeakarmCobra said:
someone tell I am being an idiot, but this kid reminds of jojo mathis (still raw as fuck) -
He’s gonna make a good DT in 3 years
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Or Michael Bennett.BallzDeep said:I like that he can actually chase down a QB and stay with him when he changes direction instead of getting juked out his shoes and falling on his face like Benning.
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Joe Tryon 2.0. Looks like a BUCK rather than DL but needs a lot of coaching.WeakarmCobra said:
someone tell I am being an idiot, but this kid reminds of jojo mathis (still raw as fuck) -
Reminder that Ballz had a meltdown when we took Zion, lol
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Only evidence is in the quotes, Ballz posts are all *poof*ed.Neighbor2972 said:Reminder that Ballz had a meltdown when we took Zion, lol
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1st team All Pac-12 as a sophomore.Neighbor2972 said:Reminder that Ballz had a meltdown when we took Zion, lol
On the same path as Jamora/Kikaha -
Kjempebra. This has aged well.NorwegianHusky said:
Joe Tryon 2.0. Looks like a BUCK rather than DL but needs a lot of coaching.WeakarmCobra said:
someone tell I am being an idiot, but this kid reminds of jojo mathis (still raw as fuck) -
Just for useless dick-measuring purposes:
ZTF (in 2 games) - 7 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles
Kayvon Thibodeaux- (in 3 games) 9 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles -
ZTF is legit as fuck and I love him. NAILZ.bananasnblondes said:Just for useless dick-measuring purposes:
ZTF (in 2 games) - 7 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles
Kayvon Thibodeaux- (in 3 games) 9 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles -
It’s pretty clear it’s not a fluke either. He’s talented, has developed well, and has to be playing with extreme confidence. He’s been special so far. He won’t get 2 sacks every game, but he’s legit. There isn’t any doubt.Swaye said:
ZTF is legit as fuck and I love him. NAILZ.bananasnblondes said:Just for useless dick-measuring purposes:
ZTF (in 2 games) - 7 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles
Kayvon Thibodeaux- (in 3 games) 9 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles -
Nybe . Stats aren’t everything and players don’t always pan out, but production is fucking important.Tequilla said:
I probably didn't explain fully the point I was trying to make ...FKA_Mousecop said:
I wasn't tried to one-up anyone. He had said it makes no difference at all, "ever". You yourself said there are a few select leagues where the level of competition is raised and you can base some of their play of their opponents. There are some players who are overlooked BECAUSE of lack of competition, who end up going to small schools and still impress professional scouts, so it does matter to a small extent.Tequilla said:
Outside of maybe 5-10 high school leagues in the country, the vast majority of high-end D1 caliber talent will run circles around the balance of the league that they play in.FKA_Mousecop said:
Well I wouldn't go quite that far, but I agree with the general principle.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Level of competition makes basically no difference, ever.FKA_Mousecop said:
The main reason he's a solid prospect is his height/weight/speed attributes. I'm not sure in this instance the level of competition really matters too much because of that. He's raw regardless.bananasnblondes said:The only thing I worry about is it looks like he plays against the same competition Shane Brostek played against.
For example, you can't look at the film for any player in the state of Washington and try to measure how good they are based on the competition they play against. That's insanely FS ... reminds me of kids that played with my brothers in high school that tried to argue that they were better players because they had more RBIs or whatever.
The reality is that you know a high end D1 player when you see it ... just like you know a high end professional player when you see it when they are playing in college.
You aren't going to 1-up Dennis ... stop trying.
HS stats are for the most part meaningless because it's difficult to ascertain the quality of competition. Now, for some leagues where the competition is good, there's something to be said for being able to understand how abilities translate ... but it's not a major factor. What's more important is that in those leagues you can see how the player reacts to playing against high end competition and it probably illustrates what they need to work on better. What you can't do in HS levels is look at stat totals and try to make anything out of it ... Jake Sirmon to me is a great example ...
@DerekJohnson has a well stated opinion that Sirmon doesn't impress him in large part because he had a 6 INT game as a sophomore against Woodinville (a program he's close to) and in addition to that didn't like his body language and intangibles at that point. At the HS level though, there's so much that goes into it though ... what kind of protection was he getting from his OL (many of whom are his size or smaller)? What was the play of the WRs - were they rounding their routes allowing to be undercut? Were the WRs not getting separation? How much was Sirmon forcing the ball relying on his arm to throw guys open that aren't there?
There are so many things that go into the process of evaluating a recruit ... the two things that I look at the most are do you have the obvious physical skills necessary to play at the next level and what's the player's IQ level to understand and adjust to the game ... I can't stand the guys that basically act like "I'm the best in HS and that will translate and I'll be the best going forward" ... those guys can go to USC.
As for guys that are under the radar and get overlooked, that happens no question. And while I'm not saying that we should ignore those players (that's what having a good network is for) ... we shouldn't be looking at those players as anything other than the last player or two in our class. Those are the kinds of kids that the Oregon State's of the world need to be successful.
The Sirmon excuses were always crazy. Playing as bad as he did for a traditionally winning high school was always a bad sign. Bothel is typically a playoff team.
6 picks is bad no matter what. There doesn’t need to be any context. I understand liking Sirmon for his size and physical talent, but glossing over the 6 picks and pretending that myself and others were FS for stating that is was a bad sign always bothered me.
Derek saw Sirmon live at multiple games and wasn’t impressed and took some heat for that for reasons I’m still not entirely sure of. -
He's getting other pressures besides the sacks. He'll run into an OL he can't completely dominate but he's going to be a problem all year and next year, at least.RoadDawg55 said:
It’s pretty clear it’s not a fluke either. He’s talented, has developed well, and has to be playing with extreme confidence. He’s been special so far. He won’t get 2 sacks every game, but he’s legit. There isn’t any doubt.Swaye said:
ZTF is legit as fuck and I love him. NAILZ.bananasnblondes said:Just for useless dick-measuring purposes:
ZTF (in 2 games) - 7 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles
Kayvon Thibodeaux- (in 3 games) 9 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles -
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.bananasnblondes said:
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.WeakarmCobra said:
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.AZDuck said:The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
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Thibodeaux has been an overhyped pile of shit since high school and the media needs to quit with their bullshit narratives on him. Looking forward to Kirkland road grading his sorry assbananasnblondes said:Just for useless dick-measuring purposes:
ZTF (in 2 games) - 7 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles
Kayvon Thibodeaux- (in 3 games) 9 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles -
RoadDawg55 said:
Nybe . Stats aren’t everything and players don’t always pan out, but production is fucking important.Tequilla said:
I probably didn't explain fully the point I was trying to make ...FKA_Mousecop said:
I wasn't tried to one-up anyone. He had said it makes no difference at all, "ever". You yourself said there are a few select leagues where the level of competition is raised and you can base some of their play of their opponents. There are some players who are overlooked BECAUSE of lack of competition, who end up going to small schools and still impress professional scouts, so it does matter to a small extent.Tequilla said:
Outside of maybe 5-10 high school leagues in the country, the vast majority of high-end D1 caliber talent will run circles around the balance of the league that they play in.FKA_Mousecop said:
Well I wouldn't go quite that far, but I agree with the general principle.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Level of competition makes basically no difference, ever.FKA_Mousecop said:
The main reason he's a solid prospect is his height/weight/speed attributes. I'm not sure in this instance the level of competition really matters too much because of that. He's raw regardless.bananasnblondes said:The only thing I worry about is it looks like he plays against the same competition Shane Brostek played against.
For example, you can't look at the film for any player in the state of Washington and try to measure how good they are based on the competition they play against. That's insanely FS ... reminds me of kids that played with my brothers in high school that tried to argue that they were better players because they had more RBIs or whatever.
The reality is that you know a high end D1 player when you see it ... just like you know a high end professional player when you see it when they are playing in college.
You aren't going to 1-up Dennis ... stop trying.
HS stats are for the most part meaningless because it's difficult to ascertain the quality of competition. Now, for some leagues where the competition is good, there's something to be said for being able to understand how abilities translate ... but it's not a major factor. What's more important is that in those leagues you can see how the player reacts to playing against high end competition and it probably illustrates what they need to work on better. What you can't do in HS levels is look at stat totals and try to make anything out of it ... Jake Sirmon to me is a great example ...
@DerekJohnson has a well stated opinion that Sirmon doesn't impress him in large part because he had a 6 INT game as a sophomore against Woodinville (a program he's close to) and in addition to that didn't like his body language and intangibles at that point. At the HS level though, there's so much that goes into it though ... what kind of protection was he getting from his OL (many of whom are his size or smaller)? What was the play of the WRs - were they rounding their routes allowing to be undercut? Were the WRs not getting separation? How much was Sirmon forcing the ball relying on his arm to throw guys open that aren't there?
There are so many things that go into the process of evaluating a recruit ... the two things that I look at the most are do you have the obvious physical skills necessary to play at the next level and what's the player's IQ level to understand and adjust to the game ... I can't stand the guys that basically act like "I'm the best in HS and that will translate and I'll be the best going forward" ... those guys can go to USC.
As for guys that are under the radar and get overlooked, that happens no question. And while I'm not saying that we should ignore those players (that's what having a good network is for) ... we shouldn't be looking at those players as anything other than the last player or two in our class. Those are the kinds of kids that the Oregon State's of the world need to be successful.
The Sirmon excuses were always crazy. Playing as bad as he did for a traditionally winning high school was always a bad sign. Bothel is typically a playoff team.
6 picks is bad no matter what. There doesn’t need to be any context. I understand liking Sirmon for his size and physical talent, but glossing over the 6 picks and pretending that myself and others were FS for stating that is was a bad sign always bothered me.
Derek saw Sirmon live at multiple games and wasn’t impressed and took some heat for that for reasons I’m still not entirely sure of.
That's because @DerekJohnson is a Foolcon.
I wouldn't call it heat but rather some good natured ribbing. Is this place that fucking soft that we can't have fun anymore? -
totally agree.RoadDawg55 said:
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.bananasnblondes said:
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.WeakarmCobra said:
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.AZDuck said:The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here. -
bananasnblondes said:
Just for useless dick-measuring purposes:
ZTF (in 2 games) - 7 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles
Kayvon Thibodeaux- (in 3 games) 9 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles
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Never got mad at him, Henry or Kaho because at the end of the day they were doing what they thought was best for their family. Glad it worked out for Marlon and Henry, sad to see how it's gone for Kaho.animate said:
totally agree.RoadDawg55 said:
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.bananasnblondes said:
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.WeakarmCobra said:
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.AZDuck said:The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here. -
ZTF's butt is insane, we need to get more players like him.
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backthepack said:bananasnblondes said:
Just for useless dick-measuring purposes:
ZTF (in 2 games) - 7 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles
Kayvon Thibodeaux- (in 3 games) 9 solo tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles
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Pete Kwiatkowski is a wizard, our 3rd string BUCK is PFF’s highest graded edge player in all of CFB.
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Hopefully he keeps it up and he’s going to get paid! Shows the young kids it’s ok to not play immediately and grow into a stud.backthepack said:Pete Kwiatkowski is a wizard, our 3rd string BUCK is PFF’s highest graded edge player in all of CFB.
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Would smashFireCohen said:ZTF's butt is insane, we need to get more players like him.
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It’s not that serious. We are having fun. It’s message board hot talk.TommySQC said:RoadDawg55 said:
Nybe . Stats aren’t everything and players don’t always pan out, but production is fucking important.Tequilla said:
I probably didn't explain fully the point I was trying to make ...FKA_Mousecop said:
I wasn't tried to one-up anyone. He had said it makes no difference at all, "ever". You yourself said there are a few select leagues where the level of competition is raised and you can base some of their play of their opponents. There are some players who are overlooked BECAUSE of lack of competition, who end up going to small schools and still impress professional scouts, so it does matter to a small extent.Tequilla said:
Outside of maybe 5-10 high school leagues in the country, the vast majority of high-end D1 caliber talent will run circles around the balance of the league that they play in.FKA_Mousecop said:
Well I wouldn't go quite that far, but I agree with the general principle.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Level of competition makes basically no difference, ever.FKA_Mousecop said:
The main reason he's a solid prospect is his height/weight/speed attributes. I'm not sure in this instance the level of competition really matters too much because of that. He's raw regardless.bananasnblondes said:The only thing I worry about is it looks like he plays against the same competition Shane Brostek played against.
For example, you can't look at the film for any player in the state of Washington and try to measure how good they are based on the competition they play against. That's insanely FS ... reminds me of kids that played with my brothers in high school that tried to argue that they were better players because they had more RBIs or whatever.
The reality is that you know a high end D1 player when you see it ... just like you know a high end professional player when you see it when they are playing in college.
You aren't going to 1-up Dennis ... stop trying.
HS stats are for the most part meaningless because it's difficult to ascertain the quality of competition. Now, for some leagues where the competition is good, there's something to be said for being able to understand how abilities translate ... but it's not a major factor. What's more important is that in those leagues you can see how the player reacts to playing against high end competition and it probably illustrates what they need to work on better. What you can't do in HS levels is look at stat totals and try to make anything out of it ... Jake Sirmon to me is a great example ...
@DerekJohnson has a well stated opinion that Sirmon doesn't impress him in large part because he had a 6 INT game as a sophomore against Woodinville (a program he's close to) and in addition to that didn't like his body language and intangibles at that point. At the HS level though, there's so much that goes into it though ... what kind of protection was he getting from his OL (many of whom are his size or smaller)? What was the play of the WRs - were they rounding their routes allowing to be undercut? Were the WRs not getting separation? How much was Sirmon forcing the ball relying on his arm to throw guys open that aren't there?
There are so many things that go into the process of evaluating a recruit ... the two things that I look at the most are do you have the obvious physical skills necessary to play at the next level and what's the player's IQ level to understand and adjust to the game ... I can't stand the guys that basically act like "I'm the best in HS and that will translate and I'll be the best going forward" ... those guys can go to USC.
As for guys that are under the radar and get overlooked, that happens no question. And while I'm not saying that we should ignore those players (that's what having a good network is for) ... we shouldn't be looking at those players as anything other than the last player or two in our class. Those are the kinds of kids that the Oregon State's of the world need to be successful.
The Sirmon excuses were always crazy. Playing as bad as he did for a traditionally winning high school was always a bad sign. Bothel is typically a playoff team.
6 picks is bad no matter what. There doesn’t need to be any context. I understand liking Sirmon for his size and physical talent, but glossing over the 6 picks and pretending that myself and others were FS for stating that is was a bad sign always bothered me.
Derek saw Sirmon live at multiple games and wasn’t impressed and took some heat for that for reasons I’m still not entirely sure of.
That's because @DerekJohnson is a Foolcon.
I wouldn't call it heat but rather some good natured ribbing. Is this place that fucking soft that we can't have fun anymore? -
@sonics1993 post more, you are a nice addition to this community, glad you didn’t leave. I will go back to lurking shortly but I wanted to show my appreciation before I go.sonics1993 said:
Never got mad at him, Henry or Kaho because at the end of the day they were doing what they thought was best for their family. Glad it worked out for Marlon and Henry, sad to see how it's gone for Kaho.animate said:
totally agree.RoadDawg55 said:
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.bananasnblondes said:
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.WeakarmCobra said:
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.AZDuck said:The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here. -
Dude is cool, but has blackeye for almost getting ran out by @backthepack out of all peopleArizona123 said:
@sonics1993 post more, you are a nice addition to this community, glad you didn’t leave. I will go back to lurking shortly but I wanted to show my appreciation before I go.sonics1993 said:
Never got mad at him, Henry or Kaho because at the end of the day they were doing what they thought was best for their family. Glad it worked out for Marlon and Henry, sad to see how it's gone for Kaho.animate said:
totally agree.RoadDawg55 said:
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.bananasnblondes said:
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.WeakarmCobra said:
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.AZDuck said:The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here. -
*are we feelingDoogCourics said: -
New scheme, new attitude, new year.FireCohen said:
Dude is cool, but has blackeye for almost getting ran out by @backthepack out of all peopleArizona123 said:
@sonics1993 post more, you are a nice addition to this community, glad you didn’t leave. I will go back to lurking shortly but I wanted to show my appreciation before I go.sonics1993 said:
Never got mad at him, Henry or Kaho because at the end of the day they were doing what they thought was best for their family. Glad it worked out for Marlon and Henry, sad to see how it's gone for Kaho.animate said:
totally agree.RoadDawg55 said:
Sure would be nice to have Marlon now. It was a big loss. He’s good at USC. He would be even better for UW because our coaching is a lot better.bananasnblondes said:
To be fair, that level of panic over a recruit was completely warranted. Look at the year Marlon is having.WeakarmCobra said:
dude find the marlon tui fucking meltdown. that shiet is comedy gold. you would think i was giving birth through my anus that night.AZDuck said:The recrootin bored is much more entertaining than I expected.
you could also tell by the way he interacted with peterman post game.
it was a warm, kinda like "i'm really sorry coach ... I was a dawg but it became out of my hands and I had to go with the family decision ..."
the non-verbals were like that.
he would have been awesome here.
