Husky Jacks open thread [2020]
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This is also the game that prompted Kim to use this line repeatedly:RoadDawg55 said:
Beavlet was way better back when Sark blew them out. They had Mannion and Cooks. That was the best game Sark ever had. Oregon State didn’t show up that night.haie said:
That was the most well executed Sark game of all time. But Beavlet talent was even more depleted than it was on Saturday, and Cyler Miles had his best game ever living off of play action.CuntWaffle said:At least Sark hung like 90 on OSU
“Like the Oregon State game?” followed by his faggoty ($75k) emoji. -
I read somewhere that two of JD's better players from back in the day complimented him by saying that JD's strength was the changeable nature of his offensive game plan to scheme to take advantage of the personnel he had to work with and to adapt the offense to attack the weakness of the defense they were playing that week ~ which when you think about it is how you would compliment an OC if you intended to, but the players were impressed with JD's adeptness to change up from week to week.DoogCourics said:After the game Lake mentioned that the offense can change its focus week to week, and they’re going to lean on whatever weakness the other team has.
I remember hearing an OSU beat writer mentioning that they were thin at DT and that the heaviest guy they had was 285.
My guess is that with the rain, with a RS Frosh QB, and with an inexperienced but large OL, Lake wanted to really focus on controlling the game and hammer OSU’s biggest weakness and build confidence in the OL.
Not sure if that means he will air it out against teams with shit secondaries, but I’m interested in how game plans change from week to week. -
Probably true but as a college football WR on scholarship at a P5 school....you've got to catch those.FremontTroll said:This is going to be some totally subjective eye test crap but even Morris’ good throws were off in terms of touch or timing.
Bynum dropped that third down pass because it got there too early and it was moving too fast Bynum was just turning and the ball was already on him and it had no air under it.
Not really surprising for first game as a redshirt frosh I expect he will improve as he seems to work hard unlike our last freshman starter. -
Per the twatters, Jermaine Kearse is now "on staff". Maybe he will be helping the receivers learn how to catch the damn ball
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bananasnblondes said:
Per the twatters, Jermaine Kearse is now "on staff". Maybe he will be helping the receivers learn how to catch the damn ball
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bananasnblondes said:
Per the twatters, Jermaine Kearse is now "on staff". Maybe he will
be helping the receivers learn how to catch the damn ballpay for all the receivers to get Lasik. -
I'm hearing @GrandpaSankey is working on a volunteer basis as well.dnc said:bananasnblondes said:Per the twatters, Jermaine Kearse is now "on staff". Maybe he will
be helping the receivers learn how to catch the damn ballpay for all the receivers to get Lasik. -
God damn you! I always read the wrong thread, first.dnc said:bananasnblondes said:Per the twatters, Jermaine Kearse is now "on staff". Maybe he will
be helping the receivers learn how to catch the damn ballpay for all the receivers to get Lasik. -
Nothing changed with me! These young men need someone to instill a sense of vision in them. I see them really going places.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I'm hearing @GrandpaSankey is working on a volunteer basis as well.dnc said:bananasnblondes said:Per the twatters, Jermaine Kearse is now "on staff". Maybe he will
be helping the receivers learn how to catch the damn ballpay for all the receivers to get Lasik.
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It was a quote from a Vanderbilt lineman Caple wrote about earlier.DawgsCanDance said:
I read somewhere that two of JD's better players from back in the day complimented him by saying that JD's strength was the changeable nature of his offensive game plan to scheme to take advantage of the personnel he had to work with and to adapt the offense to attack the weakness of the defense they were playing that week ~ which when you think about it is how you would compliment an OC if you intended to, but the players were impressed with JD's adeptness to change up from week to week.DoogCourics said:After the game Lake mentioned that the offense can change its focus week to week, and they’re going to lean on whatever weakness the other team has.
I remember hearing an OSU beat writer mentioning that they were thin at DT and that the heaviest guy they had was 285.
My guess is that with the rain, with a RS Frosh QB, and with an inexperienced but large OL, Lake wanted to really focus on controlling the game and hammer OSU’s biggest weakness and build confidence in the OL.
Not sure if that means he will air it out against teams with shit secondaries, but I’m interested in how game plans change from week to week.
Here is the direct quote for the pours that don’t subscribe:
Wesley Johnson, who played for Donovan as an offensive lineman at Vanderbilt: “I always thought if I ever coached offense, my playbook would reflect his, because it allows the flexibility to kind of do whatever you want, based on your players. There were some games where we would spread it out and we would pass a lot. There were some games where we ran it 40 to 50 times.” -
Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona -
If you can't trust a Vanderbilt OL, who can you trust?DoogCourics said:
It was a quote from a Vanderbilt lineman Caple wrote about earlier.DawgsCanDance said:
I read somewhere that two of JD's better players from back in the day complimented him by saying that JD's strength was the changeable nature of his offensive game plan to scheme to take advantage of the personnel he had to work with and to adapt the offense to attack the weakness of the defense they were playing that week ~ which when you think about it is how you would compliment an OC if you intended to, but the players were impressed with JD's adeptness to change up from week to week.DoogCourics said:After the game Lake mentioned that the offense can change its focus week to week, and they’re going to lean on whatever weakness the other team has.
I remember hearing an OSU beat writer mentioning that they were thin at DT and that the heaviest guy they had was 285.
My guess is that with the rain, with a RS Frosh QB, and with an inexperienced but large OL, Lake wanted to really focus on controlling the game and hammer OSU’s biggest weakness and build confidence in the OL.
Not sure if that means he will air it out against teams with shit secondaries, but I’m interested in how game plans change from week to week.
Here is the direct quote for the pours that don’t subscribe:
Wesley Johnson, who played for Donovan as an offensive lineman at Vanderbilt: “I always thought if I ever coached offense, my playbook would reflect his, because it allows the flexibility to kind of do whatever you want, based on your players. There were some games where we would spread it out and we would pass a lot. There were some games where we ran it 40 to 50 times.” -
Exactly. Sounds like Kwat and Lake had the right adjustments but the players weren’t executing. A little bit of the trying too hard to make a play instead of staying in your assignment.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona
“In terms of OSU, they were making creases against us because either I wouldn’t stay in my gap or another person wouldn’t stay in their gap. And they would make creases because we’re trying to make a play, and you shed but your responsibility is his gap. Like when I say discipline it’s like discipline in trusting that your guys can do their job and you’re going to do your job. Trusting each other. That’s what I mean by discipline. That was the adjustment, ‘do your job’.”
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This kinda reminds me of Tryon blowing a couple containment’s against Cal last year.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona -
Yeah smalls got caught getting crumpled inside a lot and the DTs couldn’t hold the point of attack all that well...DoogCourics said:
Exactly. Sounds like Kwat and Lake had the right adjustments but the players weren’t executing. A little bit of the trying too hard to make a play instead of staying in your assignment.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona
“In terms of OSU, they were making creases against us because either I wouldn’t stay in my gap or another person wouldn’t stay in their gap. And they would make creases because we’re trying to make a play, and you shed but your responsibility is his gap. Like when I say discipline it’s like discipline in trusting that your guys can do their job and you’re going to do your job. Trusting each other. That’s what I mean by discipline. That was the adjustment, ‘do your job’.”
There is no scheme that can cover up personnel difficulties if Asa and whoever else is playing LB next to uolofoshioio is on the field.
BUT, Irregardless of the mute point the scheme was two deep safeties and let the middle of the defense get ripped apart by the run... not sure what they are talking about -
Yah, I did see that as well, but the article I'm referencing was an interview with Jordan Mathews and he was discussing how JD was creative in scheming him open-open week to week along with feeding Zach Stacy at the same time.DoogCourics said:
It was a quote from a Vanderbilt lineman Caple wrote about earlier.DawgsCanDance said:
I read somewhere that two of JD's better players from back in the day complimented him by saying that JD's strength was the changeable nature of his offensive game plan to scheme to take advantage of the personnel he had to work with and to adapt the offense to attack the weakness of the defense they were playing that week ~ which when you think about it is how you would compliment an OC if you intended to, but the players were impressed with JD's adeptness to change up from week to week.DoogCourics said:After the game Lake mentioned that the offense can change its focus week to week, and they’re going to lean on whatever weakness the other team has.
I remember hearing an OSU beat writer mentioning that they were thin at DT and that the heaviest guy they had was 285.
My guess is that with the rain, with a RS Frosh QB, and with an inexperienced but large OL, Lake wanted to really focus on controlling the game and hammer OSU’s biggest weakness and build confidence in the OL.
Not sure if that means he will air it out against teams with shit secondaries, but I’m interested in how game plans change from week to week.
Here is the direct quote for the pours that don’t subscribe:
Wesley Johnson, who played for Donovan as an offensive lineman at Vanderbilt: “I always thought if I ever coached offense, my playbook would reflect his, because it allows the flexibility to kind of do whatever you want, based on your players. There were some games where we would spread it out and we would pass a lot. There were some games where we ran it 40 to 50 times.”
He laughed and said at the time he thought it was all him, that he was just killing it by beating the coverage, and it wasn't until he was a 3rd year pro that he realized that the scheme was as effective as it was in helping him be open such a high percentage of the time. -
That was part of the same article.DawgsCanDance said:
Yah, I did see that as well, but the article I'm referencing was an interview with Jordan Mathews and he was discussing how JD was creative in scheming him open-open week to week along with feeding Zach Stacy at the same time.DoogCourics said:
It was a quote from a Vanderbilt lineman Caple wrote about earlier.DawgsCanDance said:
I read somewhere that two of JD's better players from back in the day complimented him by saying that JD's strength was the changeable nature of his offensive game plan to scheme to take advantage of the personnel he had to work with and to adapt the offense to attack the weakness of the defense they were playing that week ~ which when you think about it is how you would compliment an OC if you intended to, but the players were impressed with JD's adeptness to change up from week to week.DoogCourics said:After the game Lake mentioned that the offense can change its focus week to week, and they’re going to lean on whatever weakness the other team has.
I remember hearing an OSU beat writer mentioning that they were thin at DT and that the heaviest guy they had was 285.
My guess is that with the rain, with a RS Frosh QB, and with an inexperienced but large OL, Lake wanted to really focus on controlling the game and hammer OSU’s biggest weakness and build confidence in the OL.
Not sure if that means he will air it out against teams with shit secondaries, but I’m interested in how game plans change from week to week.
Here is the direct quote for the pours that don’t subscribe:
Wesley Johnson, who played for Donovan as an offensive lineman at Vanderbilt: “I always thought if I ever coached offense, my playbook would reflect his, because it allows the flexibility to kind of do whatever you want, based on your players. There were some games where we would spread it out and we would pass a lot. There were some games where we ran it 40 to 50 times.”
He laughed and said at the time he thought it was all him, that he was just killing it by beating the coverage, and it wasn't until he was a 3rd year pro that he realized that the scheme was as effective as it was in helping him be open such a high percentage of the time. -
I’m surprised I’m surprised that people keep talking about being frustrated by the two deep safeties scheme with the safeties nearly off the tv screen. That is the same scheme UW has been running for years. It’s Kwats main strategy, don’t give up explosive plays. Force the opposing offense to sustain long drives without making mistakes.Houhusky said:
Yeah smalls got caught getting crumpled inside a lot and the DTs couldn’t hold the point of attack all that well...DoogCourics said:
Exactly. Sounds like Kwat and Lake had the right adjustments but the players weren’t executing. A little bit of the trying too hard to make a play instead of staying in your assignment.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona
“In terms of OSU, they were making creases against us because either I wouldn’t stay in my gap or another person wouldn’t stay in their gap. And they would make creases because we’re trying to make a play, and you shed but your responsibility is his gap. Like when I say discipline it’s like discipline in trusting that your guys can do their job and you’re going to do your job. Trusting each other. That’s what I mean by discipline. That was the adjustment, ‘do your job’.”
There is no scheme that can cover up personnel difficulties if Asa and whoever else is playing LB next to uolofoshioio is on the field.
BUT, Irregardless of the mute point the scheme was two deep safeties and let the middle of the defense get ripped apart by the run... not sure what they are talking about
It’s driven people nuts for years, bend but don’t break, lack of safety run support, etc etc etc.
All it’s done was lead the league in defense multiple years in a row and still be top 15 in the country last year despite 10 new starters. It’s effective, even if it’s hair pulling.
Even Saturday, 14 points because the Beavers weren’t able to sustain drive after drive after drive. They did it a couple times, but not enough. -
In general I love the scheme, and the results have been fantastic, I just wish that Kwat would tinker a bit more a few times a game.
When we are playing against a subpar QB that can't throw the ball, maybe switch to single high safety once or twice and throw in a run blitz. On our pass blitzes, don't send Eddie/Sirmon straight into the center. It is a bit boring to watch because it feels a bit repetitive and it's built to get the other team behind the chains. I also get that we don't quite have the playmakers on D at the moment that we need, I just want a little bit more swagger and variety at times. First world problems, I know. -
These are all reasonable requests. I believe Lake and Kwat are willing to make adjustments team to team and half to half, but all within the context of not letting up the explosive plays.Woof said:In general I love the scheme, and the results have been fantastic, I just wish that Kwat would tinker a bit more a few times a game.
When we are playing against a subpar QB that can't throw the ball, maybe switch to single high safety once or twice and throw in a run blitz. On our pass blitzes, don't send Eddie/Sirmon straight into the center. It is a bit boring to watch because it feels a bit repetitive and it's built to get the other team behind the chains. I also get that we don't quite have the playmakers on D at the moment that we need, I just want a little bit more swagger and variety at times. First world problems, I know.
I’m too dumb to know what those adjustments are, but I doubt you can have a consistent top 15 scoring defense year in and year out without being willing to adjust and modify. -
We gave up 252 yards. The run defense was ugly, but if we gave up 252 yards per game we would rank very high in total defense. After one game it’s 3rd this year.DoogCourics said:
I’m surprised I’m surprised that people keep talking about being frustrated by the two deep safeties scheme with the safeties nearly off the tv screen. That is the same scheme UW has been running for years. It’s Kwats main strategy, don’t give up explosive plays. Force the opposing offense to sustain long drives without making mistakes.Houhusky said:
Yeah smalls got caught getting crumpled inside a lot and the DTs couldn’t hold the point of attack all that well...DoogCourics said:
Exactly. Sounds like Kwat and Lake had the right adjustments but the players weren’t executing. A little bit of the trying too hard to make a play instead of staying in your assignment.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona
“In terms of OSU, they were making creases against us because either I wouldn’t stay in my gap or another person wouldn’t stay in their gap. And they would make creases because we’re trying to make a play, and you shed but your responsibility is his gap. Like when I say discipline it’s like discipline in trusting that your guys can do their job and you’re going to do your job. Trusting each other. That’s what I mean by discipline. That was the adjustment, ‘do your job’.”
There is no scheme that can cover up personnel difficulties if Asa and whoever else is playing LB next to uolofoshioio is on the field.
BUT, Irregardless of the mute point the scheme was two deep safeties and let the middle of the defense get ripped apart by the run... not sure what they are talking about
It’s driven people nuts for years, bend but don’t break, lack of safety run support, etc etc etc.
All it’s done was lead the league in defense multiple years in a row and still be top 15 in the country last year despite 10 new starters. It’s effective, even if it’s hair pulling.
Even Saturday, 14 points because the Beavers weren’t able to sustain drive after drive after drive. They did it a couple times, but not enough.
The run defense needs to be better but we have a great secondary and we got to the QB a few times. -
Interestingly enough, I started drinking early tonight and wanted to watch a replay of the game. I had this weird feeling of the defense not being that bad on Saturday, while at the same time remember busted run after busted run. Throw in the general replies of how bad the defense was here and I was left mixed.RoadDawg55 said:
We gave up 252 yards. The run defense was ugly, but if we gave up 252 yards per game we would rank very high in total defense. After one game it’s 3rd this year.DoogCourics said:
I’m surprised I’m surprised that people keep talking about being frustrated by the two deep safeties scheme with the safeties nearly off the tv screen. That is the same scheme UW has been running for years. It’s Kwats main strategy, don’t give up explosive plays. Force the opposing offense to sustain long drives without making mistakes.Houhusky said:
Yeah smalls got caught getting crumpled inside a lot and the DTs couldn’t hold the point of attack all that well...DoogCourics said:
Exactly. Sounds like Kwat and Lake had the right adjustments but the players weren’t executing. A little bit of the trying too hard to make a play instead of staying in your assignment.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona
“In terms of OSU, they were making creases against us because either I wouldn’t stay in my gap or another person wouldn’t stay in their gap. And they would make creases because we’re trying to make a play, and you shed but your responsibility is his gap. Like when I say discipline it’s like discipline in trusting that your guys can do their job and you’re going to do your job. Trusting each other. That’s what I mean by discipline. That was the adjustment, ‘do your job’.”
There is no scheme that can cover up personnel difficulties if Asa and whoever else is playing LB next to uolofoshioio is on the field.
BUT, Irregardless of the mute point the scheme was two deep safeties and let the middle of the defense get ripped apart by the run... not sure what they are talking about
It’s driven people nuts for years, bend but don’t break, lack of safety run support, etc etc etc.
All it’s done was lead the league in defense multiple years in a row and still be top 15 in the country last year despite 10 new starters. It’s effective, even if it’s hair pulling.
Even Saturday, 14 points because the Beavers weren’t able to sustain drive after drive after drive. They did it a couple times, but not enough.
The run defense needs to be better but we have a great secondary and we got to the QB a few times.
I just finished and came here to poast what I saw:
Total numbers look nice off the top. 252 total, 85 passing, 167 rushing. Also just 23 minutes of possession, 4-12 3rd down conversion, and 1-3 4th down conversion.
As you mentioned @RoadDawg55, that’s 3rd for yards per game, 6th in yards per play, and 7th in points allowed (the 14 the defense allowed anyway).
But the biggest concern was the run defense and the chunk plays. After watching it again, it wasn’t nearly as bad as it seemed.
Of the 167 total rushing yards the Beavers had, 131 of those came on 2 drives. The other 7 drives only netted 36 rushing yards. 5 yards per drive.
After Edefuan’s comments about a couple of drives having guys not sticking to their assignments and trusting what the coaches were telling them, it makes me feel more optimistic in what I was seeing. It’s disheartening to watch a team slice through your defense like a hot knife on two long drives with big chunk plays, but it seems clear to me it wasn’t a systemic issue that can’t be fixed.
What is more concerning to me was why there was such a lack of rotation in the defense. With Taki and Latu out, the only regular subs I saw was Tuitele on the line, Tuputala at ILB, and Smalls at Buck. That is not typical of a Kwat defense. Not sure if he was protecting the freshman or what, but it gives me hesitation. -
Short game though. OSU only had nine drives and 58 plays on offense.RoadDawg55 said:
We gave up 252 yards. The run defense was ugly, but if we gave up 252 yards per game we would rank very high in total defense. After one game it’s 3rd this year.DoogCourics said:
I’m surprised I’m surprised that people keep talking about being frustrated by the two deep safeties scheme with the safeties nearly off the tv screen. That is the same scheme UW has been running for years. It’s Kwats main strategy, don’t give up explosive plays. Force the opposing offense to sustain long drives without making mistakes.Houhusky said:
Yeah smalls got caught getting crumpled inside a lot and the DTs couldn’t hold the point of attack all that well...DoogCourics said:
Exactly. Sounds like Kwat and Lake had the right adjustments but the players weren’t executing. A little bit of the trying too hard to make a play instead of staying in your assignment.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona
“In terms of OSU, they were making creases against us because either I wouldn’t stay in my gap or another person wouldn’t stay in their gap. And they would make creases because we’re trying to make a play, and you shed but your responsibility is his gap. Like when I say discipline it’s like discipline in trusting that your guys can do their job and you’re going to do your job. Trusting each other. That’s what I mean by discipline. That was the adjustment, ‘do your job’.”
There is no scheme that can cover up personnel difficulties if Asa and whoever else is playing LB next to uolofoshioio is on the field.
BUT, Irregardless of the mute point the scheme was two deep safeties and let the middle of the defense get ripped apart by the run... not sure what they are talking about
It’s driven people nuts for years, bend but don’t break, lack of safety run support, etc etc etc.
All it’s done was lead the league in defense multiple years in a row and still be top 15 in the country last year despite 10 new starters. It’s effective, even if it’s hair pulling.
Even Saturday, 14 points because the Beavers weren’t able to sustain drive after drive after drive. They did it a couple times, but not enough.
The run defense needs to be better but we have a great secondary and we got to the QB a few times.
4.34 yards per play is ok but not great against a team as one dimensional as OSU. -
Yep. Taki and Bronson were sucking wind. After all the praise Bandes and Tuitele have gotten, why didn’t they rotate in more?DoogCourics said:
Interestingly enough, I started drinking early tonight and wanted to watch a replay of the game. I had this weird feeling of the defense not being that bad on Saturday, while at the same time remember busted run after busted run. Throw in the general replies of how bad the defense was here and I was left mixed.RoadDawg55 said:
We gave up 252 yards. The run defense was ugly, but if we gave up 252 yards per game we would rank very high in total defense. After one game it’s 3rd this year.DoogCourics said:
I’m surprised I’m surprised that people keep talking about being frustrated by the two deep safeties scheme with the safeties nearly off the tv screen. That is the same scheme UW has been running for years. It’s Kwats main strategy, don’t give up explosive plays. Force the opposing offense to sustain long drives without making mistakes.Houhusky said:
Yeah smalls got caught getting crumpled inside a lot and the DTs couldn’t hold the point of attack all that well...DoogCourics said:
Exactly. Sounds like Kwat and Lake had the right adjustments but the players weren’t executing. A little bit of the trying too hard to make a play instead of staying in your assignment.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona
“In terms of OSU, they were making creases against us because either I wouldn’t stay in my gap or another person wouldn’t stay in their gap. And they would make creases because we’re trying to make a play, and you shed but your responsibility is his gap. Like when I say discipline it’s like discipline in trusting that your guys can do their job and you’re going to do your job. Trusting each other. That’s what I mean by discipline. That was the adjustment, ‘do your job’.”
There is no scheme that can cover up personnel difficulties if Asa and whoever else is playing LB next to uolofoshioio is on the field.
BUT, Irregardless of the mute point the scheme was two deep safeties and let the middle of the defense get ripped apart by the run... not sure what they are talking about
It’s driven people nuts for years, bend but don’t break, lack of safety run support, etc etc etc.
All it’s done was lead the league in defense multiple years in a row and still be top 15 in the country last year despite 10 new starters. It’s effective, even if it’s hair pulling.
Even Saturday, 14 points because the Beavers weren’t able to sustain drive after drive after drive. They did it a couple times, but not enough.
The run defense needs to be better but we have a great secondary and we got to the QB a few times.
I just finished and came here to poast what I saw:
Total numbers look nice off the top. 252 total, 85 passing, 167 rushing. Also just 23 minutes of possession, 4-12 3rd down conversion, and 1-3 4th down conversion.
As you mentioned @RoadDawg55, that’s 3rd for yards per game, 6th in yards per play, and 7th in points allowed (the 14 the defense allowed anyway).
But the biggest concern was the run defense and the chunk plays. After watching it again, it wasn’t nearly as bad as it seemed.
Of the 167 total rushing yards the Beavers had, 131 of those came on 2 drives. The other 7 drives only netted 36 rushing yards. 5 yards per drive.
After Edefuan’s comments about a couple of drives having guys not sticking to their assignments and trusting what the coaches were telling them, it makes me feel more optimistic in what I was seeing. It’s disheartening to watch a team slice through your defense like a hot knife on two long drives with big chunk plays, but it seems clear to me it wasn’t a systemic issue that can’t be fixed.
What is more concerning to me was why there was such a lack of rotation in the defense. With Taki and Latu out, the only regular subs I saw was Tuitele on the line, Tuputala at ILB, and Smalls at Buck. That is not typical of a Kwat defense. Not sure if he was protecting the freshman or what, but it gives me hesitation.
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Yah my only criticism was that I wanted to see less Bronson and more of the young guys on the DL. I get that Bronson is experienced but he isn't the presence and physical stature of some of the younger guys and we have a lot of depth. With Tuli out, we really need the young guys to produce. Seemed like this was one of the games to do that. And really, what is the issue with Latu... someone can PM tell me and I won't pass it on...
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I don’t think there is any intel on Latu. He’s hurt along with Tuli. Lake isn’t going to comment on injuries. Eklund said they are out for the year.DawgsCanDance said:Yah my only criticism was that I wanted to see less Bronson and more of the young guys on the DL. I get that Bronson is experienced but he isn't the presence and physical stature of some of the younger guys and we have a lot of depth. With Tuli out, we really need the young guys to produce. Seemed like this was one of the games to do that. And really, what is the issue with Latu... someone can PM tell me and I won't pass it on...
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DoogCourics said:
I’m surprised I’m surprised that people keep talking about being frustrated by the two deep safeties scheme with the safeties nearly off the tv screen. That is the same scheme UW has been running for years. It’s Kwats main strategy, don’t give up explosive plays. Force the opposing offense to sustain long drives without making mistakes.Houhusky said:
Yeah smalls got caught getting crumpled inside a lot and the DTs couldn’t hold the point of attack all that well...DoogCourics said:
Exactly. Sounds like Kwat and Lake had the right adjustments but the players weren’t executing. A little bit of the trying too hard to make a play instead of staying in your assignment.bananasnblondes said:Interesting takes by Eddie. Hopefullythe coaches have the same take and replace "somebody"
-On shutting Oregon State down after halftime, Ulofoshio said they realized they were getting gashed and that it was "somebody's fault" and that they needed to make the adjustments and they needed to follow the coaches' directions and make the adjustments on the field
-Ulofoishio noted that they just needed to do their job as far as stopping Oregon State's running game. He said they were "getting creased" by the Beavers and that it wasn't a scheme thing, but more guys not doing their jobs and that's something they had to focus on in the second half and as they continue to get ready for Arizona
“In terms of OSU, they were making creases against us because either I wouldn’t stay in my gap or another person wouldn’t stay in their gap. And they would make creases because we’re trying to make a play, and you shed but your responsibility is his gap. Like when I say discipline it’s like discipline in trusting that your guys can do their job and you’re going to do your job. Trusting each other. That’s what I mean by discipline. That was the adjustment, ‘do your job’.”
There is no scheme that can cover up personnel difficulties if Asa and whoever else is playing LB next to uolofoshioio is on the field.
BUT, Irregardless of the mute point the scheme was two deep safeties and let the middle of the defense get ripped apart by the run... not sure what they are talking about
It’s driven people nuts for years, bend but don’t break, lack of safety run support, etc etc etc.
All it’s done was lead the league in defense multiple years in a row and still be top 15 in the country last year despite 10 new starters. It’s effective, even if it’s hair pulling.
Even Saturday, 14 points because the Beavers weren’t able to sustain drive after drive after drive. They did it a couple times, but not enough.
Case in point, they lead this category every year.
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RaceBannon said:bananasnblondes said:
Per the twatters, Jermaine Kearse is now "on staff". Maybe he will be helping the receivers learn how to catch the damn ball
Took a few months but Jimmy got him.
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Bronson was good in first two series.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think there is any intel on Latu. He’s hurt along with Tuli. Lake isn’t going to comment on injuries. Eklund said they are out for the year.DawgsCanDance said:Yah my only criticism was that I wanted to see less Bronson and more of the young guys on the DL. I get that Bronson is experienced but he isn't the presence and physical stature of some of the younger guys and we have a lot of depth. With Tuli out, we really need the young guys to produce. Seemed like this was one of the games to do that. And really, what is the issue with Latu... someone can PM tell me and I won't pass it on...
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Are you their spokesperson?DoogCourics said:
These are all reasonable requests. I believe Lake and Kwat are willing to make adjustments team to team and half to half, but all within the context of not letting up the explosive plays.Woof said:In general I love the scheme, and the results have been fantastic, I just wish that Kwat would tinker a bit more a few times a game.
When we are playing against a subpar QB that can't throw the ball, maybe switch to single high safety once or twice and throw in a run blitz. On our pass blitzes, don't send Eddie/Sirmon straight into the center. It is a bit boring to watch because it feels a bit repetitive and it's built to get the other team behind the chains. I also get that we don't quite have the playmakers on D at the moment that we need, I just want a little bit more swagger and variety at times. First world problems, I know.
I’m too dumb to know what those adjustments are, but I doubt you can have a consistent top 15 scoring defense year in and year out without being willing to adjust and modify.
