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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    edited November 2020
    For those looking for a terrific read on this subject, I cannot recommend enough:

    https://www.amazon.com/Case-Closed-Harvey-Oswald-Assassination/dp/1400034620

    I probably lean 75% lone shooter.
  • HustlinOwl
    HustlinOwl Member Posts: 953
    edited November 2020
    It was an exceptional display of marksmanship that fits Oswald's background. He was the shooter. Being shot two days later screams there was something bigger behind it than his pure hatred of Capitalism. It will never be known just like where Jesus went after he was risen from the dead.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,977
    I was against it.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    They had a a number of good shooters try and duplicate the feat. Only one did it. Once. IIRC
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    This is a topic that has always fascinated me. Not only have I read a lot on it, but I also watch a ton of stuff.

    As someone that used to drive past the Book Depository often the thing that has never made sense to me is that I don't see how if Oswald was the lone shooter why it made sense for him to make his first shot when he did. If you follow the route of the motorcade (see link and scroll down slightly - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5934694/), it would seem to me that it would be an easier attempt while going down Houston when the car was straight in front versus turning and moving away from Oswald's location. The only thing that I could understand explaining the attempt occuring when it did was because there wasn't a clean shot while on Houston due to seated position inside the car and by turning and driving away JFK would have been more exposed.

    The scientific evidence that I've seen definitely suggests that the fatal shot came from behind and not in front. So in that sense, I can buy that Oswald (or someone else) was the lone shooter.

    But what happened since then doesn't make sense to me and obviously I don't think that we'll ever know what happened.

    If you follow what happened with the Dallas PD it was pretty much a parade for Oswald to be silenced with plausible deniability for them to say "well, things went sideways." I know that security was nothing back then compared to what it was now but there's a lot of evidence that Ruby was all over the place leading up to his assassination of Oswald and it was simply way too easy for him to pull off what effectively was a mob hit in execution.

    A couple of things that I've watched recently that really made me think:

    https://youtu.be/GDq5Fb4fvVs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d89goIzHDQg

    And to the original post, the person being referenced as releasing a story but murdered prior to the release was Dorothy Kilgallen. For those that really know their history, they would know Kilgallen's name from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyU2ajkiLx0

    It just feels to me that there was a lot of work behind the scenes to cover things up. There was no shortage of individuals with motive. And in reality, JFK had plenty of enemies. Too much out there that the mob helped win JFK the election in 1960 and then his actions basically were a giant middle finger to the mob. It wouldn't shock me at all if they were involved.
  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    From a shooting standpoint it wasn't a difficult task. Contrary to common belief the riflescope was sighted in just fine, and although the presidential limousine was moving, it was moving very slowly on a predictable path.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,139 Founders Club
    Gladstone said:

    From a shooting standpoint it wasn't a difficult task. Contrary to common belief the riflescope was sighted in just fine, and although the presidential limousine was moving, it was moving very slowly on a predictable path.

    This is true. It has been duplicated more than once out in the desert and stuff. A marksman could make the shot

    Makes for good plausibility

    Then you have to ask how Sirhan Sirhan was able to hang out in the kitchen with a gun to shoot Bobby when Bobby was surrounded by security

    The PLO is as good as the commies for a patsy

    You kind of had to be there. JFK. MLK, and RFK were all shot dead before I turned 12. That will color your thinking
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,079

    Gladstone said:

    From a shooting standpoint it wasn't a difficult task. Contrary to common belief the riflescope was sighted in just fine, and although the presidential limousine was moving, it was moving very slowly on a predictable path.

    This is true. It has been duplicated more than once out in the desert and stuff. A marksman could make the shot

    Makes for good plausibility

    Then you have to ask how Sirhan Sirhan was able to hang out in the kitchen with a gun to shoot Bobby when Bobby was surrounded by security

    The PLO is as good as the commies for a patsy

    You kind of had to be there. JFK. MLK, and RFK were all shot dead before I turned 182. That will color your thinking
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,875 Standard Supporter
    Gladstone said:

    From a shooting standpoint it wasn't a difficult task. Contrary to common belief the riflescope was sighted in just fine, and although the presidential limousine was moving, it was moving very slowly on a predictable path.

    That's why the Olympic champion was the only one to pull it off. The Carcano isn't as bad as many say it is but it's also not the quickest bolt action around. Add a shitty scope and install it would have made it a bit slower cycling. Good thing is they don't have much wear. A few marks from being dropped. In fact a new batch just came into the country.

    Not saying it can't be done these days many people could do it.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,195 Founders Club
    edited November 2020
    Wasn't there a post by @StlouisDawg on the subject?

    Edit: Bump

    FirePete said:

    What is your theory on who killed Kennedy?

    My father in law was a bad man. Ran drugs and guns in and out of Central America for most of his life. Did low level work for the mafia and Republican Party and spent time in federal prison. On the plus side the mutherfucker made a mean taco.

    He said he had no doubt that the mafia killed Kennedy and met some people involved. The mob engineered Kennedy’s election, including Texas, Louisiana, Nevada, Illinois and Pennsylvania. Johnson did not win Texas for Kennedy, his south Texas base where he stuffed the vote was no guarantee. The mob increased his share of the vote in metro areas to put him over the top.

    Remember the Kennedys ran in those circles. Papa Joe knew all the players and made promises gifting all kinds of shit to organized crime. He was part of organized crime. Only problem was he forgot to include his sons in those plans and had a stroke in ‘61 that left him unable to control JFK and RFK and pay back what was owed. When RFK went after them in ‘62, that was all she wrote.

    Giancana cleared it and ordered it.

  • Kingdome_Urinals
    Kingdome_Urinals Member Posts: 2,799
    I think the only coverrup is the CIA trying to wash their hands of Oswald after the fact.

    He had contact with a number of governments and intelligence agencies but nobody sanctioned a "hit" by him. He's just a delusional guy trying to feel important by being involved in Cold War espionage.

    CIA has contact with a number sources at any given time it doesn't mean they are all "working for" the agency.
  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    animate said:
    Why did you link this, isn't it only about Manson?
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Gladstone said:

    animate said:
    Why did you link this, isn't it only about Manson?
    I can’t remember if it comes up in the pod, but in his book he outlines some crazy shit with a MKULTRA psychologist and Jack Ruby.