Samuel Paty: Beheading of teacher deepens divisions over France's secular identity
One of the more hysterical rhetorical devices of hard-right conservatives in this last decade has been the incessant cries of "democrat candidate x is going to usher in an era of Sharia law!". Obama being a secret Muslim is probably still a view held by @Sledog.
Nonetheless, France is actually dealing with the very real problem of what to do when a minority religious group becomes so radical and unwilling to compromise with the values of the country they live in - namely France's very strong tradition of secularity. What do you do when a not-insignificant portion of the population, children especially, are espousing views that are violent and directly conflict with modern society? It's worth noting that France's Muslim population is proportionally much larger than ours, 9% to 1%, so I don't think this is something we'll ever need to confront to the same degree as the French. But it's absolutely a case study in the tension that exists between First Amendment rights and a minority group that could, ironically, actively work against those very same rights.
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Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man -
Mooselimb is incompatible with any other religion or government. Maybe you have noticed this around the world and throughout history? The radical form is the problem but they can't be sorted and they change when they feel like it. It's a lot like having bombs planted and never knowing when they will go off.GreenRiverGatorz said:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54602171
One of the more hysterical rhetorical devices of hard-right conservatives in this last decade has been the incessant cries of "democrat candidate x is going to usher in an era of Sharia law!". Obama being a secret Muslim is probably still a view held by @Sledog.
Nonetheless, France is actually dealing with the very real problem of what to do when a minority religious group becomes so radical and unwilling to compromise with the values of the country they live in - namely France's very strong tradition of secularity. What do you do when a not-insignificant portion of the population, children especially, are espousing views that are violent and directly conflict with modern society? It's worth noting that France's Muslim population is proportionally much larger than ours, 9% to 1%, so I don't think this is something we'll ever need to confront to the same degree as the French. But it's absolutely a case study in the tension that exists between First Amendment rights and a minority group that could, ironically, actively work against those very same rights.
Most of Obungholes family were muslim, he was raised muslim, his male role model were muslim and yes I think he was a muslim. He was at the very least a muslim sympathizer and encouraged mooselimb chaos. -
Seems like a case study of paying people from the third world to come to your county and then expect nothing out of them and then are shocked that they hate you and resent your culture and want more free sh*t.
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Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish. -
Europe will collapse under the weight of social programs and the Muslim exodus they not only allowed, but encouraged. Not sure when. 20 years? 50 years? Who knows, but it is inevitable. All the idiots like Macron will be dead by the time the bill comes due, so what do they care. Felt good at the time.
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Name another religion that wants to kill everyone in every other religion. I'll wait. Dumbass.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish. -
I have some Muslims neighbors that would NEVER behead a teacher. Wouldn’t hurt a fly.
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Kind of worse than that the left tends to say they want freedom from religion yet as you say embrace the most religiony of the religions. The one that will impose themselves legislatively not just knocking on your door to annoy you while riding a bike through the hoodGreenRiverGatorz said:
Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish.
The day of reckoning will come when the common enemy - Christian capitalism, is defeated and the beheadings begin. Europe has a head start. America really was a melting pot which is why our? old school Muslims are as secular as Christians. Its the newcomers that are being encouraged not to assimilate that could be a problem -
I think Islam is the most dangerous religion. I'm not sure you're following the conversation very well if you thought I said otherwise.Sledog said:
Name another religion that wants to kill everyone in every other religion. I'll wait. Dumbass.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish. -
Tuff liberals like Christopher Hitchens wouldn't stand for today's coddling. In my view the left is appropriately hostile to a religion like Christianity. That same hostility is not applied consistently to the rest of them. The fact that they're a minority group is enough for a hall pass.RaceBannon said:
Kind of worse than that the left tends to say they want freedom from religion yet as you say embrace the most religiony of the religions. The one that will impose themselves legislatively not just knocking on your door to annoy you while riding a bike through the hoodGreenRiverGatorz said:
Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish.
The day of reckoning will come when the common enemy - Christian capitalism, is defeated and the beheadings begin. Europe has a head start. America really was a melting pot which is why our? old school Muslims are as secular as Christians. Its the newcomers that are being encouraged not to assimilate that could be a problem -
Agree despite being a believer. I don't need no government intervention on my behalfGreenRiverGatorz said:
Tuff liberals like Christopher Hitchens wouldn't stand for today's coddling. In my view the left is appropriately hostile to a religion like Christianity. That same hostility is not applied consistently to the rest of them. The fact that they're a minority group is enough for a hall pass.RaceBannon said:
Kind of worse than that the left tends to say they want freedom from religion yet as you say embrace the most religiony of the religions. The one that will impose themselves legislatively not just knocking on your door to annoy you while riding a bike through the hoodGreenRiverGatorz said:
Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish.
The day of reckoning will come when the common enemy - Christian capitalism, is defeated and the beheadings begin. Europe has a head start. America really was a melting pot which is why our? old school Muslims are as secular as Christians. Its the newcomers that are being encouraged not to assimilate that could be a problem -
Basically two groups of Muslim's in our West Linn neighborhoods and that is expat Iranians chased out by the Ayatollah and Pakistani engineers. The Iranians are very westernized and their kids are largely marrying non-Iranians. At parties, they all drank. The Pakistani's are much more insular. Some wives wearing the hijab. Didn't socialize as much and didn't appear to be drinking at the summer block party. Guessing their kids are more likely to go off the rail.
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World domination is their goal. Nothing less. Say what you mean and quit being apologetic toward them. I say what I mean unless I'm just being funny.GreenRiverGatorz said:
I think Islam is the most dangerous religion. I'm not sure you're following the conversation very well if you thought I said otherwise.Sledog said:
Name another religion that wants to kill everyone in every other religion. I'll wait. Dumbass.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish. -
Its not difficult to understand that some thought foundations are incompatible with others... Its not controversial or racist.
The reason that democrats/leftist/authoritarians tepidly embrace Islam while consistently attacking Judaism/Christianity is that Islam is authoritative collectivism and post reformation Christianity is largely individualistic.
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Toss in a huge dose of leftard white guilt. Muslims largely have the right skin tone for white virtue signaling.
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There’s moving to a new country and assimilating into their society, while maintaining your religious or ethnic identity and then there’s moving into a society with the mindset that you want to take over and force your ideals on those that cake before you. Liberals love to condemn American expansion and the effect it had on native tribes 500 years ago, all the while excusing this current phenomenon for the sake of political correctness. They can’t even learn from the lessons that they try to teach.
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Yea but THIS time it is differentRaceBannon said: -
Looking good Race!RaceBannon said:
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When @PurpleBaze comes over to my house, I hide the knives.
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2 weeks maybe 4, a couple of months tops and Jesus is BACKCuntWaffle said:
Yea but THIS time it is differentRaceBannon said: -
I always bring my own.YellowSnow said:When @PurpleBaze comes over to my house, I hide the knives.
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The left in one meme. Destruction is their goal. -
Different different?CuntWaffle said:
Yea but THIS time it is differentRaceBannon said: -
Jesus never left.RaceBannon said:
2 weeks maybe 4, a couple of months tops and Jesus is BACKCuntWaffle said:
Yea but THIS time it is differentRaceBannon said:
We left Jesus.
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"...when a minority religious group becomes so radical and unwilling to compromise with the values of the country they live in. What do you do when a not-insignificant portion of the population, children especially, are espousing views that are violent and directly conflict with modern society?"
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I’ve touched on this with my more left wing friends, especially as Democratic ppl flee CA to more conservative states. They usually say, “good! They can teach those conservative crazies REAL values!” I shoot back, “you realize you guys are using the same script as the white Christian missionaries or colonialists back in the day, right?” They usually are quiet after that.thechatch said:There’s moving to a new country and assimilating into their society, while maintaining your religious or ethnic identity and then there’s moving into a society with the mindset that you want to take over and force your ideals on those that cake before you. Liberals love to condemn American expansion and the effect it had on native tribes 500 years ago, all the while excusing this current phenomenon for the sake of political correctness. They can’t even learn from the lessons that they try to teach.
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Both parties claim a lot of shit. It doesn’t make those claims true. I think you don't understand your left's "meaning" of religion. Whether you'd ever admit it or not, it's not Mohammed's bastardization of Islam which the left protects. In fact, the left hates God and worships those acts which represent the antithesis of His law. Homosexuality, perversion, abortion are just a few examples of what the left worships.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish. -
The Left has its own religion full of false prophets and idiots who ignore science and knowledge every day. It's called "Social Justice."GreenRiverGatorz said:
Tuff liberals like Christopher Hitchens wouldn't stand for today's coddling. In my view the left is appropriately hostile to a religion like Christianity. That same hostility is not applied consistently to the rest of them. The fact that they're a minority group is enough for a hall pass.RaceBannon said:
Kind of worse than that the left tends to say they want freedom from religion yet as you say embrace the most religiony of the religions. The one that will impose themselves legislatively not just knocking on your door to annoy you while riding a bike through the hoodGreenRiverGatorz said:
Not quite. Shots at @Sledog are in vogue regardless of topic.RaceBannon said:Were you required to take a shot at the American right wing and Sled in order to tepidly possibly criticize the savages in France? Is there some sort of moral equivalency at play here that I am missing?
Just look at little Somalia in Minneapolis. That ain't right wingers man
Larger point here is that while the left will reject just about anything that even resembles anti-Muslim sentiment, and both parties claim to champion freedom of religion, there is a tension that exists with certain religions and the very countries that allow them to openly flourish.
The day of reckoning will come when the common enemy - Christian capitalism, is defeated and the beheadings begin. Europe has a head start. America really was a melting pot which is why our? old school Muslims are as secular as Christians. Its the newcomers that are being encouraged not to assimilate that could be a problem
Social Justice is as fake a religion as those nuts who follow that Ramtha nutcase from Yelm.
There is only one kind of Justice. It's called Justice. Period.
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I hear they like to be called "Pakis."WestlinnDuck said:Basically two groups of Muslim's in our West Linn neighborhoods and that is expat Iranians chased out by the Ayatollah and Pakistani engineers. The Iranians are very westernized and their kids are largely marrying non-Iranians. At parties, they all drank. The Pakistani's are much more insular. Some wives wearing the hijab. Didn't socialize as much and didn't appear to be drinking at the summer block party. Guessing their kids are more likely to go off the rail.
