Do the Memphis Grizzlies just hate having head coaches?
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First they let Hollins leave and now they might let his replacement walk after one year?
DNC, you seem to have the Grizz dialed in what the fuck is going on there?
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Nobody really seems to know. It's borderline full blown panic mode around here. Apparently Robert Pera (principal owner) and his handpicked GM Jason Levian had some sort of falling out. Levian's now gone, with a chunk of the FO with him. Joerger was Levian's guy, he doesn't like the instability and he has deep roots in Minnesota. Seems highly likely he's leaving to me.He_Needs_More_Time said:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10968833/minnesota-timberwolves-making-progress-hiring-dave-joerger-coach
First they let Hollins leave and now they might let his replacement walk after one year?
DNC, you seem to have the Grizz dialed in what the fuck is going on there?
I understood the Hollins thing. Hollins called the new front office cheap, didn't GAF about the analytics the FO wanted him to consider and wanted more money than Memphis thought he was worth. Letting him walk made sense to me.
I have no clue what's going on with the Levian deal. I honestly thought this FO had a pretty solid plan in place. Now it's just a massive cluster.
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I mean Joerger had a rough start but when Gasol came back they were dominant. Like if Gasol was there the entire season they are probably a 2 or a 3 seed. In the East they are probably the second best team.dnc said:
Nobody really seems to know. It's borderline full blown panic mode around here. Apparently Robert Pera (principal owner) and his handpicked GM Jason Levian had some sort of falling out. Levian's now gone, with a chunk of the FO with him. Joerger was Levian's guy, he doesn't like the instability and he has deep roots in Minnesota. Seems highly likely he's leaving to me.He_Needs_More_Time said:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10968833/minnesota-timberwolves-making-progress-hiring-dave-joerger-coach
First they let Hollins leave and now they might let his replacement walk after one year?
DNC, you seem to have the Grizz dialed in what the fuck is going on there?
I understood the Hollins thing. Hollins called the new front office cheap, didn't GAF about the analytics the FO wanted him to consider and wanted more money than Memphis thought he was worth. Letting him walk made sense to me.
I have no clue what's going on with the Levian deal. I honestly thought this FO had a pretty solid plan in place. Now it's just a massive cluster.
I think Joerger has some growing pains but shows he can be a good coach. Reminds me of Spoelstra where you see a young coach truly growing on the job(Not the fake learning on the job BS that Doogs spout about Sark).
If I'm OKC I'm doing whatever I can to steal this guy as he could make a real difference. Him going to Minnesota with Love most likely on his way out feels like a waste.
Also if I'm Minnesota I'm trying like crazy to take advantage of a desperate Cleveland trying to win now to appeal to Lebron. Try like hell to get that #1 pick since you are going to lose Love anyways. -
I don't understand this thread. Dave Joerger HAS A CONTRACT:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2013/06/25/memphis-grizzlies-dave-joerger-coach/2456523/ -
Agreed I like Joerger. Can't imagine him ever winning anything Minnesota either. He'd probably be a nice get for OKC but they're not firing Scott Brooks anytime soon.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I mean Joerger had a rough start but when Gasol came back they were dominant. Like if Gasol was there the entire season they are probably a 2 or a 3 seed. In the East they are probably the second best team.dnc said:
Nobody really seems to know. It's borderline full blown panic mode around here. Apparently Robert Pera (principal owner) and his handpicked GM Jason Levian had some sort of falling out. Levian's now gone, with a chunk of the FO with him. Joerger was Levian's guy, he doesn't like the instability and he has deep roots in Minnesota. Seems highly likely he's leaving to me.He_Needs_More_Time said:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10968833/minnesota-timberwolves-making-progress-hiring-dave-joerger-coach
First they let Hollins leave and now they might let his replacement walk after one year?
DNC, you seem to have the Grizz dialed in what the fuck is going on there?
I understood the Hollins thing. Hollins called the new front office cheap, didn't GAF about the analytics the FO wanted him to consider and wanted more money than Memphis thought he was worth. Letting him walk made sense to me.
I have no clue what's going on with the Levian deal. I honestly thought this FO had a pretty solid plan in place. Now it's just a massive cluster.
I think Joerger has some growing pains but shows he can be a good coach. Reminds me of Spoelstra where you see a young coach truly growing on the job(Not the fake learning on the job BS that Doogs spout about Sark).
If I'm OKC I'm doing whatever I can to steal this guy as he could make a real difference. Him going to Minnesota with Love most likely on his way out feels like a waste.
Also if I'm Minnesota I'm trying like crazy to take advantage of a desperate Cleveland trying to win now to appeal to Lebron. Try like hell to get that #1 pick since you are going to lose Love anyways.
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I don't think so either. As a basketball fan I would love for them to hire John Calipari. I think he can pull a Pete Carroll in the NBA. Once failed coach, dominated college then goes back to the pros and learned his lessons. He runs a motion offense, used to coaching with great talent and is a good recruiter so could keep Durant/Westbrook there.dnc said:
Agreed I like Joerger. Can't imagine him ever winning anything Minnesota either. He'd probably be a nice get for OKC but they're not firing Scott Brooks anytime soon.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I mean Joerger had a rough start but when Gasol came back they were dominant. Like if Gasol was there the entire season they are probably a 2 or a 3 seed. In the East they are probably the second best team.dnc said:
Nobody really seems to know. It's borderline full blown panic mode around here. Apparently Robert Pera (principal owner) and his handpicked GM Jason Levian had some sort of falling out. Levian's now gone, with a chunk of the FO with him. Joerger was Levian's guy, he doesn't like the instability and he has deep roots in Minnesota. Seems highly likely he's leaving to me.He_Needs_More_Time said:http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10968833/minnesota-timberwolves-making-progress-hiring-dave-joerger-coach
First they let Hollins leave and now they might let his replacement walk after one year?
DNC, you seem to have the Grizz dialed in what the fuck is going on there?
I understood the Hollins thing. Hollins called the new front office cheap, didn't GAF about the analytics the FO wanted him to consider and wanted more money than Memphis thought he was worth. Letting him walk made sense to me.
I have no clue what's going on with the Levian deal. I honestly thought this FO had a pretty solid plan in place. Now it's just a massive cluster.
I think Joerger has some growing pains but shows he can be a good coach. Reminds me of Spoelstra where you see a young coach truly growing on the job(Not the fake learning on the job BS that Doogs spout about Sark).
If I'm OKC I'm doing whatever I can to steal this guy as he could make a real difference. Him going to Minnesota with Love most likely on his way out feels like a waste.
Also if I'm Minnesota I'm trying like crazy to take advantage of a desperate Cleveland trying to win now to appeal to Lebron. Try like hell to get that #1 pick since you are going to lose Love anyways.
As a huge Sonics fan I hope they keep Scott Brooks as crappy coaches never win NBA titles. Probably the worst coach to win a title in the last 25 years is Rudy T and he was a pretty solid coach. -
Bill Simmons tweeted a week ago that Memphis could go after Thibodeau.
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Q: Speaking of Memphis … what the hell is going on in Memphis???
A: We see it happen with professional sports franchises every so often: You have a sports-savvy, overly ambitious executive who doesn’t have nearly enough money to purchase his own team (in this case, Grizzlies CEO Jason Levien) sniffing out an available franchise, then slapping together an ownership group hinging on someone else fronting the bulk of the money (Grizzlies owner Robert Pera). Usually, the ambitious executive smartly picks a sugar daddy who doesn’t know what he’s doing – or even better, might eschew the day-to-day responsibility of running the team – allowing the CEO to “run” the team without owning it.
Only one problem: If the sugar daddy owner decides to get more involved, the CEO is eventually screwed. First the owner starts spreading his wings a little more, then a little more (and in Pera’s case, so much more that he reportedly started promising playing time to different players). At some point, he starts butting heads with the ambitious CEO. Everyone else in the organization picks sides. Ultimately, there’s a major disagreement that concludes with the owner saying something like, “Hey, where’s YOUR money? I’m the one who owns the team – why are you telling ME what we should do?” That’s usually when the CEO starts packing his office and becomes “former CEO.” Which is what happened to Levien, who earns some blame since he has abruptly left three different NBA franchises now (twice on bad terms). He’s no victim.
Anyway, the Grizzlies made that owner/CEO breakdown seem even more dysfunctional than usual, as Chris Ryan gleefully broke down on the Triangle today. (If you do anything, listen to our friend Chris Vernon pick apart interim GM Chris Wallace in a local radio interview. Chris Wallace is the Michael Myers of NBA GMs — he literally CANNOT die even if you chop his head off.) But there’s a method to Pera’s madness. As I first reported on Monday, Pera wants to trade for Chicago’s Tom Thibodeau and give him a Stan Van Gundy/Pistons-type deal. That’s why Pera allowed Dave Joerger, the current Grizzlies coach, to interview for Minnesota’s job. Memphis wants Thibs. And Chicago knows that Thibs will always be miserable there after the Ron Adams firing and the Deng trade. So I’m throwing $100 on the following three-transaction parlay: Joerger goes to Minnesota, Thibs gets traded to Memphis for a future pick, Chicago hires Fred Hoiberg to replace him. You watch.
That is from Bill Simmons latest mailbag.
Seems a little far fetched but you never know. If Thibs left Chicago that would hurt their franchise. I felt like they've overachieved ever since he has been there. That is why in the playoffs they flounder because only so much a coach can do if you don't have the Jimmy's and the Joes. -
[citation needed]He_Needs_More_Time said:Q: Speaking of Memphis … what the hell is going on in Memphis???
A: We see it happen with professional sports franchises every so often: You have a sports-savvy, overly ambitious executive who doesn’t have nearly enough money to purchase his own team (in this case, Grizzlies CEO Jason Levien) sniffing out an available franchise, then slapping together an ownership group hinging on someone else fronting the bulk of the money (Grizzlies owner Robert Pera). Usually, the ambitious executive smartly picks a sugar daddy who doesn’t know what he’s doing – or even better, might eschew the day-to-day responsibility of running the team – allowing the CEO to “run” the team without owning it.
Only one problem: If the sugar daddy owner decides to get more involved, the CEO is eventually screwed. First the owner starts spreading his wings a little more, then a little more (and in Pera’s case, so much more that he reportedly started promising playing time to different players). At some point, he starts butting heads with the ambitious CEO. Everyone else in the organization picks sides. Ultimately, there’s a major disagreement that concludes with the owner saying something like, “Hey, where’s YOUR money? I’m the one who owns the team – why are you telling ME what we should do?” That’s usually when the CEO starts packing his office and becomes “former CEO.” Which is what happened to Levien, who earns some blame since he has abruptly left three different NBA franchises now (twice on bad terms). He’s no victim.
Anyway, the Grizzlies made that owner/CEO breakdown seem even more dysfunctional than usual, as Chris Ryan gleefully broke down on the Triangle today. (If you do anything, listen to our friend Chris Vernon pick apart interim GM Chris Wallace in a local radio interview. Chris Wallace is the Michael Myers of NBA GMs — he literally CANNOT die even if you chop his head off.) But there’s a method to Pera’s madness. As I first reported on Monday, Pera wants to trade for Chicago’s Tom Thibodeau and give him a Stan Van Gundy/Pistons-type deal. That’s why Pera allowed Dave Joerger, the current Grizzlies coach, to interview for Minnesota’s job. Memphis wants Thibs. And Chicago knows that Thibs will always be miserable there after the Ron Adams firing and the Deng trade. So I’m throwing $100 on the following three-transaction parlay: Joerger goes to Minnesota, Thibs gets traded to Memphis for a future pick, Chicago hires Fred Hoiberg to replace him. You watch.
That is from Bill Simmons latest mailbag.
Seems a little far fetched but you never know. If Thibs left Chicago that would hurt their franchise. I felt like they've overachieved ever since he has been there. That is why in the playoffs they flounder because only so much a coach can do if you don't have the Jimmy's and the Joes.
Dude's Bulls are regressing. -
I'm not a Thibs guy and you can check the coaching rankings thread for proof. However I think they are a lotto team/7th seed without him.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
[citation needed]He_Needs_More_Time said:Q: Speaking of Memphis … what the hell is going on in Memphis???
A: We see it happen with professional sports franchises every so often: You have a sports-savvy, overly ambitious executive who doesn’t have nearly enough money to purchase his own team (in this case, Grizzlies CEO Jason Levien) sniffing out an available franchise, then slapping together an ownership group hinging on someone else fronting the bulk of the money (Grizzlies owner Robert Pera). Usually, the ambitious executive smartly picks a sugar daddy who doesn’t know what he’s doing – or even better, might eschew the day-to-day responsibility of running the team – allowing the CEO to “run” the team without owning it.
Only one problem: If the sugar daddy owner decides to get more involved, the CEO is eventually screwed. First the owner starts spreading his wings a little more, then a little more (and in Pera’s case, so much more that he reportedly started promising playing time to different players). At some point, he starts butting heads with the ambitious CEO. Everyone else in the organization picks sides. Ultimately, there’s a major disagreement that concludes with the owner saying something like, “Hey, where’s YOUR money? I’m the one who owns the team – why are you telling ME what we should do?” That’s usually when the CEO starts packing his office and becomes “former CEO.” Which is what happened to Levien, who earns some blame since he has abruptly left three different NBA franchises now (twice on bad terms). He’s no victim.
Anyway, the Grizzlies made that owner/CEO breakdown seem even more dysfunctional than usual, as Chris Ryan gleefully broke down on the Triangle today. (If you do anything, listen to our friend Chris Vernon pick apart interim GM Chris Wallace in a local radio interview. Chris Wallace is the Michael Myers of NBA GMs — he literally CANNOT die even if you chop his head off.) But there’s a method to Pera’s madness. As I first reported on Monday, Pera wants to trade for Chicago’s Tom Thibodeau and give him a Stan Van Gundy/Pistons-type deal. That’s why Pera allowed Dave Joerger, the current Grizzlies coach, to interview for Minnesota’s job. Memphis wants Thibs. And Chicago knows that Thibs will always be miserable there after the Ron Adams firing and the Deng trade. So I’m throwing $100 on the following three-transaction parlay: Joerger goes to Minnesota, Thibs gets traded to Memphis for a future pick, Chicago hires Fred Hoiberg to replace him. You watch.
That is from Bill Simmons latest mailbag.
Seems a little far fetched but you never know. If Thibs left Chicago that would hurt their franchise. I felt like they've overachieved ever since he has been there. That is why in the playoffs they flounder because only so much a coach can do if you don't have the Jimmy's and the Joes.
Dude's Bulls are regressing.
Now you could argue it's better to be lottery than where they are now. That is true but all these lotto stats that I've read I'm siding with APAG now.
Minnesota 10 straight lotto appearances, Sacramento has 6 straight years in the top 7, Wizards lived in the lottery forever, Cleveland is now. I mean does constantly being in the lottery even help you anymore? -
If you're constantly in the lottery, it's because you have shitty franchise management.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I'm not a Thibs guy and you can check the coaching rankings thread for proof. However I think they are a lotto team/7th seed without him.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
[citation needed]He_Needs_More_Time said:Q: Speaking of Memphis … what the hell is going on in Memphis???
A: We see it happen with professional sports franchises every so often: You have a sports-savvy, overly ambitious executive who doesn’t have nearly enough money to purchase his own team (in this case, Grizzlies CEO Jason Levien) sniffing out an available franchise, then slapping together an ownership group hinging on someone else fronting the bulk of the money (Grizzlies owner Robert Pera). Usually, the ambitious executive smartly picks a sugar daddy who doesn’t know what he’s doing – or even better, might eschew the day-to-day responsibility of running the team – allowing the CEO to “run” the team without owning it.
Only one problem: If the sugar daddy owner decides to get more involved, the CEO is eventually screwed. First the owner starts spreading his wings a little more, then a little more (and in Pera’s case, so much more that he reportedly started promising playing time to different players). At some point, he starts butting heads with the ambitious CEO. Everyone else in the organization picks sides. Ultimately, there’s a major disagreement that concludes with the owner saying something like, “Hey, where’s YOUR money? I’m the one who owns the team – why are you telling ME what we should do?” That’s usually when the CEO starts packing his office and becomes “former CEO.” Which is what happened to Levien, who earns some blame since he has abruptly left three different NBA franchises now (twice on bad terms). He’s no victim.
Anyway, the Grizzlies made that owner/CEO breakdown seem even more dysfunctional than usual, as Chris Ryan gleefully broke down on the Triangle today. (If you do anything, listen to our friend Chris Vernon pick apart interim GM Chris Wallace in a local radio interview. Chris Wallace is the Michael Myers of NBA GMs — he literally CANNOT die even if you chop his head off.) But there’s a method to Pera’s madness. As I first reported on Monday, Pera wants to trade for Chicago’s Tom Thibodeau and give him a Stan Van Gundy/Pistons-type deal. That’s why Pera allowed Dave Joerger, the current Grizzlies coach, to interview for Minnesota’s job. Memphis wants Thibs. And Chicago knows that Thibs will always be miserable there after the Ron Adams firing and the Deng trade. So I’m throwing $100 on the following three-transaction parlay: Joerger goes to Minnesota, Thibs gets traded to Memphis for a future pick, Chicago hires Fred Hoiberg to replace him. You watch.
That is from Bill Simmons latest mailbag.
Seems a little far fetched but you never know. If Thibs left Chicago that would hurt their franchise. I felt like they've overachieved ever since he has been there. That is why in the playoffs they flounder because only so much a coach can do if you don't have the Jimmy's and the Joes.
Dude's Bulls are regressing.
Now you could argue it's better to be lottery than where they are now. That is true but all these lotto stats that I've read I'm siding with APAG now.
Minnesota 10 straight lotto appearances, Sacramento has 6 straight years in the top 7, Wizards lived in the lottery forever, Cleveland is now. I mean does constantly being in the lottery even help you anymore?
Water is wet.
