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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    Interesting that you mention the Kings of 2002 - I see a little bit of them in Indiana as well.

    I don't see Indiana coming back and winning 3 straight to end the series. They need to get one of the two games in Miami. I think that they will.

    I would be surprised if Indiana lost Game 5 at home. I wouldn't feel confident about them coming back from 3-2 down to Miami. In fairness though, they've already done that in the playoffs this year.

    Regarding George Hill, I don't think that he's a great player at all. But I do think that he's capable of making wide open jumpers. Where he gets in trouble is when he's trying to do too much. As long as Indiana continues to use him as a floor spacer and he isn't forced into trying to create shots for himself or others, he'll be fine. He's really a guy that should be part of most teams bench ... but for whatever reason he kind of works as a starter on this Pacers team.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Indiana so far has been run out of their own gym in both game 5's this year at home so why would you be surprised if they lost that game this time around?

    Also I'm being kind comparing them to 2002 Kings.

    I actually see more 2011 Bulls. They are a team who works well as a team but doesn't have enough fire power. They are a team many thought would give Miami trouble due to their size but Lebron/Wade proved to be too much for them that series.

    Problem for the Pacers is and this will be the same problem for OKC is when they go to their bench the game falls apart. All five starters scored in double figures and had respectable +/- on the court but their bench gave them nothing.

    While Miami doesn't have a great bench and it will be exposed against the Spurs, their bench is better than the Pacers/OKC. Cole, Birdman, Allen and Battier are all capable of stepping up while I don't see a guy who can for Indiana except maybe Scola which is a big maybe.

    So as long as Miami doesn't bury themselves with their starters(Haslem was awful today and was a minus 20 on the court in only 18 minutes) they'll be in good shape when Vogel has to go to the bench. Starting in game three the series will go every other game so if he plans on playing his starters 40+ minutes they'll be worn down as the series goes on.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,385 Standard Supporter
    The series is over. Miami is going to win. It will be 3-1 going into game 5. Indiana won't win 3 straight against LeBron.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453

    The series is over. Miami is going to win. It will be 3-1 going into game 5. Indiana won't win 3 straight against LeBron.

    If they are down 3-1 which I expect I bet they roll over and die in game five.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    The Bulls are another interesting comparison. I'm not sure that I'd say that Indiana is a better team than that Bulls team is, but I don't think that this Miami team is anywhere close to as good as that team and I think that this Indiana team matches up a little bit better in that West > Boozer, Hibbert is a bigger obstacle in the lane than Noah (although I think Noah's a better overall defender), Indiana has 2 guys that can not only defend LBJ and Wade but also create shots in George and Mr. Irrational Confidence, and that Rose could be taken away by putting a bigger LBJ on him whereas the better players for Indiana are all roughly a similar height and it's harder for LBJ to completely take them away.

    As for the prior Game 5's, you could have said the same thing about Game 1's before Sunday. However, if you want to go series by series Atlanta absolutely shot the 3 ridiculously well in that game and my guess is that Indiana thought that Washington was going to roll over.

    I agree that Indiana's biggest problem in this series is going to come down to getting something from their bench. They need to get something out of Scola, CJ Watson, or maybe even an Evan Turner appearance at some point. While I'm not convinced that Miami's bench is particularly great anymore, they do have a number of guys that know their role and are generally interchangeable enough to play the guys that are working on that particular night.

    Basketball is a game of matchups and these teams really do matchup well against one another. I haven't seen anything at this point that doesn't make me think that this isn't a 7 game series. I think Miami will win Game 3 in a close game and Indiana will take Games 4 and 5. Miami has a massive LBJ game in Game 6 leaving Game 7. The last 12 months between these two teams has been tied to that game being in Indiana instead of Miami. I do think that we'll get that to play out. As for the outcome? I've picked Indiana all year so I can't change now. But as with everybody else, it's hard to buy into everything that Indiana is selling ... they are still in a prove it mode.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    On paper the 2011 Heat might be better but I trust this Heat team more.

    This group has a better bench(that team had nothing and was starting a washed up Bibby at PG).

    This team also knows their role and has a championship swagger. That team although the prime of the big 3 IMO didn't have defined roles yet, Spoelstra wasn't confident as a coach and they didn't particularly respond well to pressure due to the enormous spotlight on them that hadn't been seen since 2004 Lakers.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    There's no doubt that this is going to be an intriguing series with a lot of future ramifications for both teams.

    It's hard for me not to look at this Miami team and wonder if it's on their last run. Wondering whether LBJ leaves and goes to a better situation or stays in Miami around a situation where I'm not entirely sure that they are going to be able to surround him with much is going to be very, very interesting to watch.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Tequilla said:

    There's no doubt that this is going to be an intriguing series with a lot of future ramifications for both teams.

    It's hard for me not to look at this Miami team and wonder if it's on their last run. Wondering whether LBJ leaves and goes to a better situation or stays in Miami around a situation where I'm not entirely sure that they are going to be able to surround him with much is going to be very, very interesting to watch.

    I thought there was no way Lebron leaves but with Cleveland getting the #1 pick it's interesting.

    I think staying with Pat Riley in Miami is still the smart move. Might have a 2 year transition but you can reload easier in a desired situation like Miami than Cleveland.
  • [Deleted User]
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    Tequilla said:

    APAG is right.

    In the past, Indiana could beat Miami but you never got the impression that they could blow them off the court.

    They didn't just beat Miami yesterday, they outplayed them in every which way. The fact that they are doing that while the entire world says that they are struggling is saying something.

    The only "advantage" that I see with Miami right now is that they have LBJ. If you think that Wade's still Wade that's one thing and if you think Bosh has an ability to be effective that's another. But if you were holding a draft of all the players in this series, LBJ would go first, then George, West, and Hibbert before getting to the point of figuring out if you'd rather have Stephenson or Wade. At worst, Indiana's got 5 of the 8 best players in this series and at best they have 4 of the 5 best.

    This team does not suck. The rebuild is ahead of schedule.

    The Mariners are going to win 85-90 games this year.

    Welp despite having only one "advantage" the Heat seemed to have had Indiana on lockdown mode. Since the game one eruption of 107 points the Pacers have scored 83 and 87 points since then.

    The Heat made Hibbert a liability today in the fourth quarter as David West couldn't guard Ray Allen. That Heat lineup of Cole-Allen-Wade-Lebron-Bosh has given them fits this entire series.

    Wade another 23+ point game for him in this series. I knew he'd have a big series after Stephenson basically called him out.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,385 Standard Supporter
    Looks like Dwayne Wade isn't the 4th or 5th best player in the series after all. He's obviously not as good as 5 years ago, but he's still a great player and championship experience is still important. In a must win playoff game, I would take him over any Pacer, including George.