Why didn't the cops wrestle him to the ground!!!!
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My Hero
Foo Fighters
Too alarmin' now to talk about
Take your pictures down and shake it out
Truth or consequence, say it aloud
Use that evidence, race it around
There goes my hero
Watch him as he goes
There goes my hero
He's ordinary
Don't the best of them bleed it out
While the rest of them peter out?
Truth or consequence, say it aloud
Use that evidence, race it around
There goes my hero
Watch him as he goes
There goes my hero
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Which idiot is this one? Can't keep track
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That's the completely innocent, didn't do nuffin Jacob Blake.Pitchfork51 said:Which idiot is this one? Can't keep track
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George Floyd, Rayshan Brook and now this guy all had multiple officers trying to get him into submission. None were successful- lots of videos on youtube showing criminals getting away from a cop's grip. Why is this so hard to understand that fighting in this situation just makes it worse?
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I don't know about you but I wouldn't be too keen on getting on the ground and wrestling with a guy who is holding a knife like that.georgiaduck said:George Floyd, Rayshan Brook and now this guy all had multiple officers trying to get him into submission. None were successful- lots of videos on youtube showing criminals getting away from a cop's grip. Why is this so hard to understand that fighting in this situation just makes it worse?
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A person wanted for sexual assault , violating a restraining order, carrying a knife, and wrestling with the cops gets shot. So multi millionaires are literally in tears (doc rivers) and refuse to play sports ball games and hold this guy up as a hero.
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Should have been shot sooner!
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If he really was carrying that knife prior to getting shot the police showed restraint in not shooting him earlier.Sledog said:Should have been shot sooner!
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Yes, the facts don't matter. It's all about the narrative. I hear he was trying to go to the store and get Skittles for his kids when the police profiled him for being black.MikeDamone said:A person wanted for sexual assault , violating a restraining order, carrying a knife, and wrestling with the cops gets shot. So multi millionaires are literally in tears (doc rivers) and refuse to play sports ball games and hold this guy up as a hero.
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Good point- Dude had nothing to lose.SFGbob said:
I don't know about you but I wouldn't be too keen on getting on the ground and wrestling with a guy who is holding a knife like that.georgiaduck said:George Floyd, Rayshan Brook and now this guy all had multiple officers trying to get him into submission. None were successful- lots of videos on youtube showing criminals getting away from a cop's grip. Why is this so hard to understand that fighting in this situation just makes it worse?
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I would like to know if he really was holding a knife like that. What he has in his hand in the photo could be the car keys, but the testimony from one of the eyewitnesses was that the police were yelling at him to drop the knife before he went around the front of the car and opened up the car door. The reports that they found a knife on the floorboard of the front seat could have just been the knife he was carrying.georgiaduck said:
Good point- Dude had nothing to lose.SFGbob said:
I don't know about you but I wouldn't be too keen on getting on the ground and wrestling with a guy who is holding a knife like that.georgiaduck said:George Floyd, Rayshan Brook and now this guy all had multiple officers trying to get him into submission. None were successful- lots of videos on youtube showing criminals getting away from a cop's grip. Why is this so hard to understand that fighting in this situation just makes it worse?
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That could be car keys. Need to get the police report. If they really were yelling "drop the knife" prior to his opening the door as he came around the front of the car, then the odds of that being a knife increase greatly.Sledog said: -
That pic is only conclusive if that’s what you’re looking for
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If it's cops shooting a black person, most people on the left will immediately look for any way to blame the police, rather than step back and look at each situation individually.
I disagree with how the police handled the situation with George Floyd. I disagreed with how they handled Eric Garner several years ago, too (if I recall correctly). So I'm definitely not a blind supporter of police.
But this situation is different. It does look like a knife in his hand. There are also witness accounts that he had been wrestling with the cops, too. He also tried to get into the driver's seat of his car with his kids in there. That means the police would have to get into their cars and chase him. Do we really want children involved in a police chase? Seems dangerous. This guy had a criminal history and in this situation it looks like he had reached his "I don't give a fuck about my life anymore" mental state. People in that state of mind and who are fleeing the police should not be allowed to get in their car and drive it, especially if there are kids in there.
If you want to argue that police should be highly skillled to the point where they are able to restrain and arrest a suspect with a knife more easily without having to resort to guns, I think that's fair. But right now the police are trained the way they're trained. And from the sounds of it, they did try to restrain him non lethally, but he got away. And if he was carrying a knife, I wouldn't trust a slapjack or taser against him.
That's how I feel based on the evidence and video footage we currently have. As more facts and evidence are revealed, I might change my mind. -
Agreed.GrundleStiltzkin said:That pic is only conclusive if that’s what you’re looking for
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Very distinctive blade shape. Not much like it you'd be toting around. But hey the cops were just out to target this particular black and murder him. What do you guys think briefings are for before shift? To hand out the hit lists!GrundleStiltzkin said:That pic is only conclusive if that’s what you’re looking for
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Hot take; It is entirely irrelevant to the outcome whether he is carrying a knife in that picture or not.
Violent felon, with a warrant, physically resists arrest, both physical restraint and tasers were attempted, he continued to a car with children in it ignoring officer orders and reached into the vehicle.
Thats enough...
Whether there is a knife in his hand, a gun in the car or not, or he was just going to flee police in a car that was not his with children in the backseat doesnt change the fact that his actions, by themselves, are going to result in a justifiable shooting 9 times out of 10. -
Yea but he shot him SEVEN times. Why not only shoot him four time? That seems more fair.
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I agree just trying to help those that don't think you should shoot people until they actually shoot you a few times. You know cops shouldn't expect to go home after their shift. Fuck they want everything!Houhusky said:Hot take; It is entirely irrelevant to the outcome whether he is carrying a knife in that picture or not.
Violent felon, with a warrant, physically resists arrest, both physical restraint and tasers were attempted, he continued to a car with children in it ignoring officer orders and reached into the vehicle.
Thats enough...
Whether there is a knife in his hand, a gun in the car or not, or he was just going to flee police in a car that was not his with children in the backseat doesnt change the fact that his actions, by themselves, are going to result in a justifiable shooting 9 times out of 10. -
This a very sad time for America. I honestly didn't see it coming. No one waits for details. Everyone looking for a martyr. People who were once sensible justifying all of this. Not sure how we ever come out of it.
If the dude was white, it would barely get beyond the local newspaper.
I blame two things for the state we're in:
Social Media and, especially, twitter.
The news media no longer being news organizations. ( Some would argue the advent of social media drove this )
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Come on now, I heard he was a great father and the best son a parents could have. Kind of like a saint, yeah that's it, a saint.Houhusky said:Hot take; It is entirely irrelevant to the outcome whether he is carrying a knife in that picture or not.
Violent felon, with a warrant, physically resists arrest, both physical restraint and tasers were attempted, he continued to a car with children in it ignoring officer orders and reached into the vehicle.
Thats enough...
Whether there is a knife in his hand, a gun in the car or not, or he was just going to flee police in a car that was not his with children in the backseat doesnt change the fact that his actions, by themselves, are going to result in a justifiable shooting 9 times out of 10.
He was a violent felon who had done physical and mental harm to other human beings without remorse. The perfect poster child for liberals who want to divide the races in this country so they can garner more votes for their politics. In a twisted and sick way, he was just a pawn to democrats. His death gave them more fodder during an election cycle. Rat leadership doesn't give two shits for this guy. If they did they would care about all deaths caused by criminals in rat owned cities and states. They don't give a rats ass. -
I kind of thought that about Floyd. A dude convicted of violent felonies now passing counterfeit currency is probably going back to the big house for a while. And he knew it.georgiaduck said:
Good point- Dude had nothing to lose.SFGbob said:
I don't know about you but I wouldn't be too keen on getting on the ground and wrestling with a guy who is holding a knife like that.georgiaduck said:George Floyd, Rayshan Brook and now this guy all had multiple officers trying to get him into submission. None were successful- lots of videos on youtube showing criminals getting away from a cop's grip. Why is this so hard to understand that fighting in this situation just makes it worse?
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I think George was so fucking high he didn't know what he was doing.MikeDamone said:
I kind of thought that about Floyd. A dude convicted of violent felonies now passing counterfeit currency is probably going back to the big house for a while. And he knew it.georgiaduck said:
Good point- Dude had nothing to lose.SFGbob said:
I don't know about you but I wouldn't be too keen on getting on the ground and wrestling with a guy who is holding a knife like that.georgiaduck said:George Floyd, Rayshan Brook and now this guy all had multiple officers trying to get him into submission. None were successful- lots of videos on youtube showing criminals getting away from a cop's grip. Why is this so hard to understand that fighting in this situation just makes it worse?
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This will become the social interface between cops and suspects in the immediate future -
- Guy with warrants will fight the police because he has nothing to lose.
- The police will now automatically start yelling "drop the weapon" because they have everything to lose.
The press and sports teams and stars will react before the facts come out. - Guy with warrants will fight the police because he has nothing to lose.
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Wasn't he in the middle of kidnapping his fucking kids from the wife he beat the shit out of lol
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He's a hero and a martyr. Ask Bitch BronMikeDamone said:A person wanted for sexual assault , violating a restraining order, carrying a knife, and wrestling with the cops gets shot. So multi millionaires are literally in tears (doc rivers) and refuse to play sports ball games and hold this guy up as a hero.
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Yea but stillPitchfork51 said:Wasn't he in the middle of kidnapping his fucking kids from the wife he beat the shit out of lol
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He was busy dying from an overdose. He didn't have time for the police!SFGbob said:
I think George was so fucking high he didn't know what he was doing.MikeDamone said:
I kind of thought that about Floyd. A dude convicted of violent felonies now passing counterfeit currency is probably going back to the big house for a while. And he knew it.georgiaduck said:
Good point- Dude had nothing to lose.SFGbob said:
I don't know about you but I wouldn't be too keen on getting on the ground and wrestling with a guy who is holding a knife like that.georgiaduck said:George Floyd, Rayshan Brook and now this guy all had multiple officers trying to get him into submission. None were successful- lots of videos on youtube showing criminals getting away from a cop's grip. Why is this so hard to understand that fighting in this situation just makes it worse?
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