Europe cases are going up, India in big trouble.

RaceBannon said:

insinceredawg said:

LoneStarDawg said:

insinceredawg said:

RaceBannon said:

incremetal_progress said:

Part 1: We're just testing more so who cares.

Part 2: Ok fine cases are actually going up regardless of testing but who cares, deaths are down.

Part 3: Who cares about hospitalizations going up, deaths are still down. Time is ticking.

Part 4: Who cares how many people died today, post the death rate.

Its always been the rate moron

Who the fuck cares how many people catch a mild cold

Let's ruin the economy

The economy was going to get ruined with or without a lockdown. Look at this board's favorite case study, Sweden

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html

Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.

This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

The results of Sweden’s experience are relevant well beyond Scandinavian shores. In the United States, where the virus is spreading with alarming speed, many states have — at President Trump’s urging — avoided lockdowns or lifted them prematurely on the assumption that this would foster economic revival, allowing people to return to workplaces, shops and restaurants.

In Britain, Prime Minister Boris Johnson — previously hospitalized with Covid-19 — reopened pubs and restaurants last weekend in a bid to restore normal economic life.

Implicit in these approaches is the assumption that governments must balance saving lives against the imperative to spare jobs, with the extra health risks of rolling back social distancing potentially justified by a resulting boost to prosperity. But Sweden’s grim result — more death, and nearly equal economic damage — suggests that the supposed choice between lives and paychecks is a false one: A failure to impose social distancing can cost lives and jobs at the same time.

Sweden put stock in the sensibility of its people as it largely avoided imposing government prohibitions. The government allowed restaurants, gyms, shops, playgrounds and most schools to remain open. By contrast, Denmark and Norway opted for strict quarantines, banning large groups and locking down shops and restaurants.

More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.

Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more coronavirus-related deaths than the United States.

The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.

Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.

This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.

In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains.

NYT with the profiles in courage article fluffing it’s own narrative. Let’s wait until the game is over before we write the record books.

There is no avoiding a recession in the pandemic, that much is true. Hell even China went ahead and sacrificed everyone they could to get past this thing and they’re getting hit with a huge recession. however trying to say Sweden’s neighboring counties will 100% avoid the exposure sweden has had will only be confirmed once this pandemic is gone. If a breakthrough treatment or vaccine shows up before winter 2021 then Sweden fucked up. I have a feeling this shitty virus is going to have to run it’s course for the most part. Either way winter 2021 will be interesting.

That's my point. Some here like Race are convinced if we didn't shut down that business would have continued on as usual. While there's a small subset of the population (which is well represented on this board) that still think the virus is a mild cold and don't think any precautions are necessary, the majority are aware of the risks and have adjusted their lives accordingly.

Most of western Europe and Asia successfully controlled the virus by either enforcing strict lockdowns or eraly contact tracing and have begun to return to some level of normalcy. Here in the US we're still in a never ending first wave and setting records for new cases multiple times a week. There is no debate that the US completely botched this pandemic.

If America stayed open everyone would have done better

Hope this helps



We're the big dog

The rest of your post is a flat out lie

HHusky said:

NorthwestFresh said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

incremetal_progress said:

Part 1: We're just testing more so who cares.

Part 2: Ok fine cases are actually going up regardless of testing but who cares, deaths are down.

Part 3: Who cares about hospitalizations going up, deaths are still down. Time is ticking.

Part 4: Who cares how many people died today, post the death rate.

Its always been the rate moron

Who the fuck cares how many people catch a mild cold

Let's ruin the economy

Another voice for compulsory economic activity. You dropped your red book.

Imagine how stupid this statement is

The boot licking hack who supports a compulsory shut down of businesses thinks opening up is communist

Breathtakingly stupid

As he’s half-way cross-country on a business trip to a red state to squeeze a few more shekels out of Grammy and Grampy before they sell their final couch.

Am I?

incremetal_progress said:

deaths are continuing to surge. Even if Arizona where cases are flat deaths are still rising.

Anyone want to still make the absolutely ridiculous argument that increasing deaths do not lag increasing cases?

theknowledge said:

insinceredawg said:

LoneStarDawg said:

insinceredawg said:

LoneStarDawg said:

insinceredawg said:

LoneStarDawg said:

insinceredawg said:

LoneStarDawg said:

insinceredawg said:

The slope of deaths of the western Europe countries has flattened while the US remains steep. Most of the US outside of the NE was spared in April/May when heavy fatalities were happening and we were in somewhat good shape collectively as a nation. But since there were no consistent federal guidelines, a lot of red states decided to reopen early and are now driving the continued rise in deaths.

Here are the death totals from yesterday from the western European countries on that chart and the US. Notice an outlier?

Belgium: 5 (0.4 per 1M)
Spain: 2 (.04 per 1M)
Italy: 15 (0.25 per 1M)
France: 13 (0.2 per 1M)
Ireland: 0
US: 1119 (3.4 per 1M)

By the end of the year we will blow past all of these countries with the exception of Belgium for deaths per 1M.

You are really bad at processing data

Oh yeah? Enlighten me then genius.

If it were that easy you wouldn’t be an idiot, go back and reread this board for the last 3 months. You might learn something, or more likely you’ll get a headache.

All the hot takes have been downplaying the virus and moving the goalposts every time deaths and cases hit a new milestone. There was a time when many laughed at the prospect of surpassing the death toll from the swine flu.

Is this your attempt to sound smart? Vague generalizations about other people being more wrong than you?

Still waiting for you to explain how I'm interpreting the data incorrectly.

You’re summing up the national response to a global pandemic based on a sample set of one day. Like calling a marathon based on 1/4 mile splits halfway through.

That’s about as much as I can dumb it down, but please feel entitled to only accepting your stupidity when other people can explain it to you. I have a feeling you were one of those people who got a teacher fired because you flunked a class.

I shared yesterday's numbers to provide a recent snapshot of where we are right now, 5 months into the pandemic. This virus hit all these countries at roughly the same time. Why is it that we seem to be the only first world nation that has failed to get it under control five months in?

We opened earlier. Do you think the virus just disappeared in Europe? Wait until people start publicly drinking, working, eating in groups. Their cases will go up. Washington has a partially open economy and everyone pretty much wearing a mask in public (I’d say 99.5 out of 100 customers in my store) and cases continue to rise. The only time they flatlined was when we all stayed home. If you think teenagers and twenty somethings weren’t getting drunk together when we were in lockdown you are delusional. They were. The idea that all these cases are coming from parties is a joke. This is a direct result of being partially open and mass testing. Like I’ve said for months. People will get sick, some very sick and fewer yet will die. You can’t close forever, you just can’t.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

incremetal_progress said:

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/coronavirus/article244443257.html

we've got death panels in Texas now. As more rural states like like Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Miss, SC, and the next major disaster state Georgia have their inevitable death spikes we'll be seeing more of these awful stories.