Chico Fraley's recent post on Facebook
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RaceBannon said:
Jim Clifford was supposed to be Hoffman's running mate at linebacker but Chico beat him out and became a key part of the defense
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True about James but also Clifford tore up his knee and was out a year. I recall he led Pac10 in tackles before injuryRaceBannon said:Jim Clifford was supposed to be Hoffman's running mate at linebacker but Chico beat him out and became a key part of the defense
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First of all odds aren't marginally better. Affirmative Actions gives blacks and Hispanics a significant benefit and allows them to be admitted to elite universities with grades and test scores significantly lower than almost all white and Asian students.GreenRiverGatorz said:
It probably did help. I don't think it benefits any conversation to pretend affirmative action isn't still in place, even if it's more subtle these days.SFGbob said:Serious question, if his kids are black did it help them get into their chosen school?
Of course it did, it certainly didn't hurt them. While that's not necessarily a question that should be brought up at a party does anyone want to claim that their skin color had no impact on their admissions?
Is the question itself racist? Certainly not very tactful, kind of rude, but until we eliminate Affirmative Action that question is always going to be there.
Btw, I have no idea who this guy is. I assume he is a UW football player off you're 1991-92 team. Did he play in the Pros? If he did, then that's also the point. Affirmative Action helps many black kids who already come from a privileged background, while it discriminates against whites and Asians who may have come from a far more disadvantaged background.
But what's your final calculus? You can put that one in the pro column next to a listful of cons that come with being black in America. I know I wouldn't trade marginally better odds in admissions with the lifetime of shit that black people have to put up with. Maybe your equation is different and you would. I won't pretend to know.
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University of Chicago and Pomona ... the odds of it not helping are low. I'm sure they are smart and accomplished; so is everybody else who gets in to those schools.
We're not talking about a great state school that everybody knows about. Among the 100,000 or so who apply to Cal and UCLA are several kids who have no shot whatsoever, but when you apply to one UC, all you do is check one box to have your application sent to all the campuses. There are kids with 2.0 GPAs applying to Cal. Everybody applies to USC. Everybody in Michigan applies to Michigan. Everybody in Virginia applies to UVa, and so on. That denominator is replete with kids who should be thinking community college.
Those kids have never even heard of Pomona and likely Chicago. Or Middlebury or Amherst or Williams or Swarthmore. So that denominator is almost 100%, if not 100%, very, very accomplished kids with crazy stats. ANYTHING you can offer the school beyond being smart matters. The things that matter a lot are racial preferences and athletic recruiting (even at D3). If you have both, it's a huge leg up. Of course you need to be in the range stats-wise. Pomona and Chicago don't admit marginal students no matter what's going on.
These admissions hurdles are brutal brother. One of my kids graduated from one of those elite LACs in the New England. Middle 50th percentile scores hover around 33 to 34 on the ACT.
So, back to this. One kid at Chicago and one at Pomona? I'm sure they are quite accomplished and he should proud; but those are two very, very small windows to squeeze through, and racial preference is a hook that is only rivaled by athletic recruiting. -
Ncreepycoug said:University of Chicago and Pomona ... the odds of it not helping are low. I'm sure they are smart and accomplished; so is everybody else who gets in to those schools.
We're not talking about a great state school that everybody knows about. Among the 100,000 or so who apply to Cal and UCLA are several kids who have no shot whatsoever, but when you apply to one UC, all you do is check one box to have your application sent to all the campuses. There are kids with 2.0 GPAs applying to Cal. Everybody applies to USC. Everybody in Michigan applies to Michigan. Everybody in Virginia applies to UVa, and so on. That denominator is replete with kids who should be thinking community college.
Those kids have never even heard of Pomona and likely Chicago. Or Middlebury or Amherst or Williams or Swarthmore. So that denominator is almost 100%, if not 100%, very, very accomplished kids with crazy stats. ANYTHING you can offer the school beyond being smart matters. The things that matter a lot are racial preferences and athletic recruiting (even at D3). If you have both, it's a huge leg up. Of course you need to be in the range stats-wise. Pomona and Chicago don't admit marginal students no matter what's going on.
These admissions hurdles are brutal brother. One of my kids graduated from one of those elite LACs in the New England. Middle 50th percentile scores hover around 33 to 34 on the ACT.
So, back to this. One kid at Chicago and one at Pomona? I'm sure they are quite accomplished and he should proud; but those are two very, very small windows to squeeze through, and racial preference is a hook that is only rivaled by athletic recruiting.
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IIRC, Clifford played baseball, as well.
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I forgot about the injuryDerekJohnson said:
True about James but also Clifford tore up his knee and was out a year. I recall he led Pac10 in tackles before injuryRaceBannon said:Jim Clifford was supposed to be Hoffman's running mate at linebacker but Chico beat him out and became a key part of the defense
James wanted to win more than playing a popular local white player -
Of course you don't. You're a coug. Obvious is obvious.salemcoog said:
Ncreepycoug said:University of Chicago and Pomona ... the odds of it not helping are low. I'm sure they are smart and accomplished; so is everybody else who gets in to those schools.
We're not talking about a great state school that everybody knows about. Among the 100,000 or so who apply to Cal and UCLA are several kids who have no shot whatsoever, but when you apply to one UC, all you do is check one box to have your application sent to all the campuses. There are kids with 2.0 GPAs applying to Cal. Everybody applies to USC. Everybody in Michigan applies to Michigan. Everybody in Virginia applies to UVa, and so on. That denominator is replete with kids who should be thinking community college.
Those kids have never even heard of Pomona and likely Chicago. Or Middlebury or Amherst or Williams or Swarthmore. So that denominator is almost 100%, if not 100%, very, very accomplished kids with crazy stats. ANYTHING you can offer the school beyond being smart matters. The things that matter a lot are racial preferences and athletic recruiting (even at D3). If you have both, it's a huge leg up. Of course you need to be in the range stats-wise. Pomona and Chicago don't admit marginal students no matter what's going on.
These admissions hurdles are brutal brother. One of my kids graduated from one of those elite LACs in the New England. Middle 50th percentile scores hover around 33 to 34 on the ACT.
So, back to this. One kid at Chicago and one at Pomona? I'm sure they are quite accomplished and he should proud; but those are two very, very small windows to squeeze through, and racial preference is a hook that is only rivaled by athletic recruiting.
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