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Why is chloroquine so controversial?

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  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Isn’t treatment always a private discussion between Patient and Doctor?
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited May 2020
    Bob_C said:



    I honestly don't get what the big deal is. It's 'script only, so people can't run out & get it. It might work, and maybe more likely doesn't work. TDS is skrong.
    The amount of deceptive and inaccurate reporting on this drug has been off-the-charts. Media personalities were mocking it as "completely ineffective" i.e., only idiots would believe it worked at all, while some people were actually and demonstrably benefitting from it.

    I read very few articles that said it flat out didn't work, but instead read many, many articles and studies that said it was potentially dangerous to anyone with heart problems or taking meds for blood pressure, arrhythmia, irregular heartbeat, etc., so it wasn't "recommended." That's not the same thing as banning it or suggesting it was malpractice to prescribe it, but that didn't matter at all to the mainstream media. It was all about crushing any optimism coming from the White House or anyone who saw a potential path through the crisis.

    The Media wants this crisis to last until the election so the Left can beat Trump. It couldn't be more obvious, and at this point, you pretty much know the media personalities are lying if their lips are moving. Yes, it really has gotten that bad.
    The irony is that Trump is good for media content and for business. What are they going to talk about if he’s gone?
    The Biden DOJ investigating and prosecuting all things Trump as an example to any political outsiders/upstarts who dare try and derail the DC Gravy Train. I already have their narrative written for them. Intellectual property, bitches!
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    doogie said:

    Isn’t treatment always a private discussion between Patient and Doctor?

    HIPPA has been canceled.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,723 Standard Supporter



    I honestly don't get what the big deal is. It's 'script only, so people can't run out & get it. It might work, and maybe more likely doesn't work. TDS is skrong.
    The amount of deceptive and inaccurate reporting on this drug has been off-the-charts. Media personalities were mocking it as "completely ineffective" i.e., only idiots would believe it worked at all, while some people were actually and demonstrably benefitting from it.

    I read very few articles that said it flat out didn't work, but instead read many, many articles and studies that said it was potentially dangerous to anyone with heart problems or taking meds for blood pressure, arrhythmia, irregular heartbeat, etc., so it wasn't "recommended." That's not the same thing as banning it or suggesting it was malpractice to prescribe it, but that didn't matter at all to the mainstream media. It was all about crushing any optimism coming from the White House or anyone who saw a potential path through the crisis.

    The Media wants this crisis to last until the election so the Left can beat Trump. It couldn't be more obvious, and at this point, you pretty much know the media personalities are lying if their lips are moving. Yes, it really has gotten that bad.
    I've said many times before - the public is dumb but they aren't stupid. They know they are getting played by the governors and by the media trying to AAAARRGH MEAN ORANGE MAN all this.

    This is pretty well the most fucked up thing the left could do - all they had to do was walk up to the election and put ANYBODY up against Trump and had a chance. Instead, they are playing games and offering up Biden.

    Trump, rather easily, 34-17.

  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,839
    edited May 2020
    It's controversial because Orange Man Bad
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    doogie said:

    Isn’t treatment always a private discussion between Patient and Doctor?

    HIPPA has been canceled.
    Kind of a dumb pet peeve but it’s HIPAA, not HIPPA. I was in healthcare for a few decades working with the cream of the jizz after that law was enacted.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    doogie said:

    Isn’t treatment always a private discussion between Patient and Doctor?

    HIPPA has been canceled.
    Kind of a dumb pet peeve but it’s HIPAA, not HIPPA. I was in healthcare for a few decades working with the cream of the jizz after that law was enacted.
    Quite honestly, I don't give a shit.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,056 Standard Supporter
    MelloDawg said:

    MelloDawg said:

    Seems it’s worth a very serious look.

    BUT TRUMP SAID IT!



    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/



    Background

    Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available.

    Results

    We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage. In addition to the well-known functions of chloroquine such as elevations of endosomal pH, the drug appears to interfere with terminal glycosylation of the cellular receptor, angiotensin-converting enzyme 2. This may negatively influence the virus-receptor binding and abrogate the infection, with further ramifications by the elevation of vesicular pH, resulting in the inhibition of infection and spread of SARS CoV at clinically admissible concentrations.

    Conclusion

    Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds.

    Could you elaborate? You seem to understand the science of what was said in this abstract.
    It simply means the narrative rejection of chloroquine is political hyperbole, not science.
    There is science which casts doubt on it as well and the narrative rejection you see in the mainstream news at times contains that science. Some say you can take it and improve. Some say it doesn’t have the impact Trump suggests. Neither are made up studies. This is how scientific method works. The fringe websites will always be political in nature.

    Did you play this character on Veep, by chance? You sound like her.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,056 Standard Supporter
    Bob_C said:



    I honestly don't get what the big deal is. It's 'script only, so people can't run out & get it. It might work, and maybe more likely doesn't work. TDS is skrong.
    The amount of deceptive and inaccurate reporting on this drug has been off-the-charts. Media personalities were mocking it as "completely ineffective" i.e., only idiots would believe it worked at all, while some people were actually and demonstrably benefitting from it.

    I read very few articles that said it flat out didn't work, but instead read many, many articles and studies that said it was potentially dangerous to anyone with heart problems or taking meds for blood pressure, arrhythmia, irregular heartbeat, etc., so it wasn't "recommended." That's not the same thing as banning it or suggesting it was malpractice to prescribe it, but that didn't matter at all to the mainstream media. It was all about crushing any optimism coming from the White House or anyone who saw a potential path through the crisis.

    The Media wants this crisis to last until the election so the Left can beat Trump. It couldn't be more obvious, and at this point, you pretty much know the media personalities are lying if their lips are moving. Yes, it really has gotten that bad.
    The irony is that Trump is good for media content and for business. What are they going to talk about if he’s gone?
    They should just REPORT not opine and narrate with callous disregard for the truth, under the guise of "news." No matter which side you're on, or how far toward the edge you are, the American Press is doing far more harm to you than good. Dems and the Left need to realize this; The Right already does. It's already too late for 2020, but it's needed for 2022 and beyond.