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Kicking game/Special Teams in 2014

whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,477
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edited April 2014 in Hardcore Husky Board
With most of the attention this spring on who's stepping in for the losses of Price, Sankey, ASJ, Kevin Smith (he was an absolute baller last year) and our secondary, not much has been made about losing Coons who was Mr. Reliable last year (15/16 on FGs, 62/63 on XPs). Besides this site which has mentioned him a handful of times, the only other talk on the kicking game was when Jood mentioned that Van Winkle looked healthy and impressive during some of the spring practice recaps. However, there's been virtually nothing on punting or kickoffs.

For all the attention that Coons received as a specialist, not much is made about his punting, despite the fact he was in the upper tier of the conference. In 2014, he had 62 punts, 40.4 yard average, 2 touchbacks, 22 fair catches and 23 were inside the 20. His kickoffs were fair, but only 8 of his 57 were TBs (versus 11 of 33 for Van Winkle). And as mentioned before, he was 15/16 on FGs which is the 2nd best season in UW history (behind Nelson in 82).

Our specialists for 2014 will be Van Winkle, Durkee, Vizcaino (incoming freshman) and Mitch Johnson (walk-on transfer from UCLA). If Van Winkle is healthy, he'll be doing FGs and KOs which should be alright, but he had a bit of an up-and-down spring. Punting, however, is a huge question mark, especially since Durkee was horrible as a true freshman (15 punts, 36.9 yard average, 2 TBs, 5 FC, 4 inside 20) and hasn't punted since September of 2012 (redshirted last year). Vizcaino is a combo kicker, like Coons, so he might be able to step in and punt right away if Durkee is still garbage. Johnson was the backup kicker and might pop in if Van Winkle gets injured again and if he's better than Vizcaino... which means we're doomed.

Does anyone else have any news or information regarding Van Winkle, Durkee and Johnson from this spring or anything on Vizcaino? Or any quotes from Peterman about special teams? And where the hell is kickercoach?

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    Dawgfan406Dawgfan406 Member Posts: 192
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    With most of the attention this spring on who's stepping in for the losses of Price, Sankey, ASJ, Kevin Smith (he was an absolute baller last year) and our secondary, not much has been made about losing Coons who was Mr. Reliable last year (15/16 on FGs, 62/63 on XPs). Besides this site which has mentioned him a handful of times, the only other talk on the kicking game was when Jood mentioned that Van Winkle looked healthy and impressive during some of the spring practice recaps. However, there's been virtually nothing on punting or kickoffs.

    For all the attention that Coons received as a specialist, not much is made about his punting, despite the fact he was in the upper tier of the conference. In 2014, he had 62 punts, 40.4 yard average, 2 touchbacks, 22 fair catches and 23 were inside the 20. His kickoffs were fair, but only 8 of his 57 were TBs (versus 11 of 33 for Van Winkle). And as mentioned before, he was 15/16 on FGs which is the 2nd best season in UW history (behind Nelson in 82).

    Our specialists for 2014 will be Van Winkle, Durkee, Vizcaino (incoming freshman) and Mitch Johnson (walk-on transfer from UCLA). If Van Winkle is healthy, he'll be doing FGs and KOs which should be alright, but he had a bit of an up-and-down spring. Punting, however, is a huge question mark, especially since Durkee was horrible as a true freshman (15 punts, 36.9 yard average, 2 TBs, 5 FC, 4 inside 20) and hasn't punted since September of 2012 (redshirted last year). Vizcaino is a combo kicker, like Coons, so he might be able to step in and punt right away if Durkee is still garbage. Johnson was the backup kicker and might pop in if Van Winkle gets injured again and if he's better than Vizcaino... which means we're doomed.

    Does anyone else have any news or information regarding Van Winkle, Durkee and Johnson from this spring or anything on Vizcaino? Or any quotes from Peterman about special teams? And where the hell is kickercoach?

    insightful
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    ApostleofGriefApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
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    With most of the attention this spring on who's stepping in for the losses of Price, Sankey, ASJ, Kevin Smith (he was an absolute baller last year) and our secondary, not much has been made about losing Coons who was Mr. Reliable last year (15/16 on FGs, 62/63 on XPs). Besides this site which has mentioned him a handful of times, the only other talk on the kicking game was when Jood mentioned that Van Winkle looked healthy and impressive during some of the spring practice recaps. However, there's been virtually nothing on punting or kickoffs.

    For all the attention that Coons received as a specialist, not much is made about his punting, despite the fact he was in the upper tier of the conference. In 2014, he had 62 punts, 40.4 yard average, 2 touchbacks, 22 fair catches and 23 were inside the 20. His kickoffs were fair, but only 8 of his 57 were TBs (versus 11 of 33 for Van Winkle). And as mentioned before, he was 15/16 on FGs which is the 2nd best season in UW history (behind Nelson in 82).

    Our specialists for 2014 will be Van Winkle, Durkee, Vizcaino (incoming freshman) and Mitch Johnson (walk-on transfer from UCLA). If Van Winkle is healthy, he'll be doing FGs and KOs which should be alright, but he had a bit of an up-and-down spring. Punting, however, is a huge question mark, especially since Durkee was horrible as a true freshman (15 punts, 36.9 yard average, 2 TBs, 5 FC, 4 inside 20) and hasn't punted since September of 2012 (redshirted last year). Vizcaino is a combo kicker, like Coons, so he might be able to step in and punt right away if Durkee is still garbage. Johnson was the backup kicker and might pop in if Van Winkle gets injured again and if he's better than Vizcaino... which means we're doomed.

    Does anyone else have any news or information regarding Van Winkle, Durkee and Johnson from this spring or anything on Vizcaino? Or any quotes from Peterman about special teams? And where the hell is kickercoach?

    Insightful
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    HeretoBeatmyChestHeretoBeatmyChest Member Posts: 4,295
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    I think Van Winkle will be fine. Probably a drop off from Coons who was outstanding but fine nonetheless. He was good in the spring game despite poor snaps. Petersen has personally spent time with him unlike Sark in past years with the kickers....or was it Nansen who coached the kickers last year?

    Punting could be a big problem.

    Maybe with a strong D and Petersen's aggressive style, he won't punt as much. No idea, just speculating.
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    whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,477
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    FWIW, the only quote this spring I could find:

    http://blog.thenewstribune.com/uwsports/2014/04/08/quoting-chris-petersen-on-tim-socha-shaq-thompson-northwestern-and-lavon-coleman/

    (On Cameron Van Winkle and Korey Durkee) “That’s probably the knock on all kickers if there’s a knock, is inconsistency. Most guys have decent enough legs and it’s all about consistency. It’s so similar to golf. It’s all great at the driving range, then you go out there with the pressure-whatever – chip, putt – it’s hard. I’ve got a lot of respect for those guys. I think Cameron’s coming along fine. I think surgery went very well. I think we’re being smart with him. He’s not in the groove he needs to be in, but he will get there. And I think Korey’s making progress as well. We’re kind of an unorthodox kicking team, so we’ll figure out however he can punt best. If that means kick grounders, kick it in the air, a combination of both, we’ll do all those things.”

    (Unorthodox?) “Just keep watching us and you’ll see that. Or if you study any of our tape at Boise. We’re just kind of unorthodox in the kicking game in everything we do.”
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    TTJTTJ Member Posts: 4,795
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    I thought I heard Rondeau mention during the spring game telecast that Van Winkle's been taken off kickoff duty, due to his fragile back, and will be limited to placekicking. Sounded like the hope is that Vizcaino can show up and take over punts and kickoffs.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
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    CoonDawg is a loss I'm more worried about than even Price/Sankey. I know UW has guys who can fill in for those two but I'm not sure about who can fill in for CoonDawg.
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    EsophagealFecesEsophagealFeces Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,491
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    Take this shit to the Special Teams Bored. This bored is for talk about REAL football players. Also, TL;DR.
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    dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
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    With most of the attention this spring on who's stepping in for the losses of Price, Sankey, ASJ, Kevin Smith (he was an absolute baller last year) and our secondary, not much has been made about losing Coons who was Mr. Reliable last year (15/16 on FGs, 62/63 on XPs). Besides this site which has mentioned him a handful of times, the only other talk on the kicking game was when Jood mentioned that Van Winkle looked healthy and impressive during some of the spring practice recaps. However, there's been virtually nothing on punting or kickoffs.

    For all the attention that Coons received as a specialist, not much is made about his punting, despite the fact he was in the upper tier of the conference. In 2014, he had 62 punts, 40.4 yard average, 2 touchbacks, 22 fair catches and 23 were inside the 20. His kickoffs were fair, but only 8 of his 57 were TBs (versus 11 of 33 for Van Winkle). And as mentioned before, he was 15/16 on FGs which is the 2nd best season in UW history (behind Nelson in 82).

    Our specialists for 2014 will be Van Winkle, Durkee, Vizcaino (incoming freshman) and Mitch Johnson (walk-on transfer from UCLA). If Van Winkle is healthy, he'll be doing FGs and KOs which should be alright, but he had a bit of an up-and-down spring. Punting, however, is a huge question mark, especially since Durkee was horrible as a true freshman (15 punts, 36.9 yard average, 2 TBs, 5 FC, 4 inside 20) and hasn't punted since September of 2012 (redshirted last year). Vizcaino is a combo kicker, like Coons, so he might be able to step in and punt right away if Durkee is still garbage. Johnson was the backup kicker and might pop in if Van Winkle gets injured again and if he's better than Vizcaino... which means we're doomed.

    Does anyone else have any news or information regarding Van Winkle, Durkee and Johnson from this spring or anything on Vizcaino? Or any quotes from Peterman about special teams? And where the hell is kickercoach?

    insightful
    I wanted to give your comment an "lol"
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    QuornDawgQuornDawg Member Posts: 1,162
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    CoonDawg is a loss I'm more worried about than even Price/Sankey. I know UW has guys who can fill in for those two but I'm not sure about who can fill in for CoonDawg.

    The think one of the QBs will step up and be a solid replacement for Price
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    MisterEmMisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
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    CoonDawg is a loss I'm more worried about than even Price/Sankey. I know UW has guys who can fill in for those two but I'm not sure about who can fill in for CoonDawg.

    The think one of the QBs will step up and be a solid replacement for Price
    Is it always about the blacks, Monroe?
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    BennyBeaverBennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,341
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    Awfully thin at kicker...
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Biggest worry that I have with Coons leaving is the punting game.

    In the grand scheme of things, we kicked about 1-2 FGs per game last year. I trust we can find someone to make extra points for us. And in all honesty, I view any FGs over 40 at Husky Stadium to be a 50/50 proposition anyway. Give me a kicker that can be accurate from 40 and in and I'll take my chances.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
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    Tequilla said:

    Biggest worry that I have with Coons leaving is the punting game.

    In the grand scheme of things, we kicked about 1-2 FGs per game last year. I trust we can find someone to make extra points for us. And in all honesty, I view any FGs over 40 at Husky Stadium to be a 50/50 proposition anyway. Give me a kicker that can be accurate from 40 and in and I'll take my chances.

    Agree on punting but let's not dismiss the FG kicking game. It was nice having a guy who was accurate. It also hurt he didn't have a leg though so you have to go for it on 4th and 8 situations when you can take a three points. Having Folk was that nice luxury or even going back a ways John Anderson.
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    TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 19,815
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    Don't get me wrong, I'd take a Folk or John Anderson every single day of the week. Being able to steal 3 points out of a possession can be the difference between winning and losing a close game. For as nice as the 2002 Apple Cup upset was, there's no way we win that game without John Anderson.

    What I'm getting at though is that it does not appear that we have a Folk or Anderson on this roster. IF we don't, then the next priority is making sure that we have a kicker in place that is accurate and with an established range.

    The bottom line in the kicking game is that you want a reliable kicker that you know will make the kick when asked at least 81% of the time.
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    whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member Posts: 12,477
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    Sounds like it's between Durkee and Vizcaino for punting.

    I went back and looked at BSU's unorthodox kicking style and they do this lame sideways running rugby style kick that goes 20 yards and rolls on the ground. It's ugly but it matches Durkee's style well, or what little I remember from SDSU in 2012.

    Hopefully Vizcaino can boot it 40 yards in the air since that'd be ideal, but it sounds like Petersen has dealt with bad kickers in the past, so maybe he'll figure out a way to make Durkee effective or maybe Vizcaino will find himself as starting KO and P for this year's team.
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