Does Bernie suck or does Socialism?

Flew in from Miami Beach BOAC
Didn't get to bed last night
On the way the paper bag was on my knee
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Back in the U.S.S.R.

Yeah, it’s both.

GreenRiverGatorz said:

The internet has vastly overstated the appeal of Bernie's brand of socialism. Democratic voters have soundly rejected it twice now. Good old fashioned American capitalism is still the favorite flavor for most.

Rigged by the DNC twice you mean.

The revolution is waiting

HW would have made it undefeated but he decided that raising tax rates was more important. Bush I also would never fight back against the leftard slurs. W should have been an easy winner in 2004. The Swift Boater's bailed out Bush II in Florida. Bush's open borders stance didn't help him either. Toss in W's love of never ending war. He was replaced by Maverick who hated Palin more than barry and also loved eternal war. Mittens wouldn't fight either and as an supposed elite secretly loved national health care more than capitalism. Then he also loved open borders.

YellowSnow said:

WestlinnDuck said:

HW would have made it undefeated but he decided that raising tax rates was more important. Bush I also would never fight back against the leftard slurs. W should have been an easy winner in 2004. The Swift Boater's bailed out Bush II in Florida. Bush's open borders stance didn't help him either. Toss in W's love of never ending war. He was replaced by Maverick who hated Palin more than barry and also loved eternal war. Mittens wouldn't fight either and as an supposed elite secretly loved national health care more than capitalism. Then he also loved open borders.

41 still wins with tax hike without Perot wasted votes. As Rush used to say....oh ye 43%. All in all the country was in fine shape when he left office.

43 was wrong on Iraq (I bought in), old people mess and borders. He still won twice. Jeb probably would have been better than Dubya. But he showed up to run at the wrong moment in history.

I remember my Jeb was better than W phase.

LebamDawg said:

The reason W went 2-0 was the ability of the dems to put up such a good opponent. which they seem to be really good at.

Gore the bore and Kerry
and W doesn't, or at that time didn't, have a personality and still won

W eked out the first go around with a combination of a corporate cabinet highlighted by Daddy's man, Colin Powell, and conquesting enough of the middle votes -- those disgusted by Clinton. Gore was not only viable but the best qualified candidate the Dems nominated over the past 20 years. If not for some hanging chad, Al might have gone 2-0.

YellowSnow said:

Baseman said:

LebamDawg said:

The reason W went 2-0 was the ability of the dems to put up such a good opponent. which they seem to be really good at.

Gore the bore and Kerry
and W doesn't, or at that time didn't, have a personality and still won

W eked out the first go around with a combination of a corporate cabinet highlighted by Daddy's man, Colin Powell, and conquesting enough of the middle votes -- those disgusted by Clinton. Gore was not only viable but the best qualified candidate the Dems nominated over the past 20 years. If not for some hanging chad, Al might have gone 2-0.

I hated Gore with a passion in 2000. I think history might have turned out better if he won in 2000. Divided government wasn't such a bad thing back in them days.

Upvoted only for shoutout to Grid Lock. Highly underrated.

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Baseman said:

LebamDawg said:

The reason W went 2-0 was the ability of the dems to put up such a good opponent. which they seem to be really good at.

Gore the bore and Kerry
and W doesn't, or at that time didn't, have a personality and still won

W eked out the first go around with a combination of a corporate cabinet highlighted by Daddy's man, Colin Powell, and conquesting enough of the middle votes -- those disgusted by Clinton. Gore was not only viable but the best qualified candidate the Dems nominated over the past 20 years. If not for some hanging chad, Al might have gone 2-0.

I hated Gore with a passion in 2000. I think history might have turned out better if he won in 2000. Divided government wasn't such a bad thing back in them days.

Upvoted only for shoutout to Grid Lock. Highly underrated.

Yep. Control of WH and Congress has brought us many great things such as ACA, unfunded prescription drug benefit, Great Society, etc, etc

Would Gore have invaded Iraq? That's the big question in this counter-factual.

Gore was a blathering idiot. The son of a segregationist. People forget that like Biden, Gore was sent on a one way trip around the world so that his mouth wouldn't be anywhere near the media. He was a walking, talking gaffe machine. He was against a balanced budget and felt deficit spending was a good thing which always makes for interesting math.

If I told you how many people (dems) I knew in DC that felt we got what we deserved on 9-11 you wouldn't believe me. It would not surprise me at all if Gore secretly felt the same way. On the other hand, many lifers I worked with in DC felt that it was a blessing that Bush was President and not Gore when 9-11 hit. They all felt he would not have struck back and taken the fight over there instead of here on our soil. There was a great deal of concern that we were just wide open for many more attacks. You can say what you want about Bush but his admin shut that shit down immediately.

Concerning Iraq, its a good question because all of Washington was sure that they had WMD's. Three different administrations were told as much by our lack of intelligence agencies. Personally I don't think Gore would have gone there. Clinton didn't and he was positive they had WMD's. Saddumb did a great job of selling/bluffing.