Mario Cristobal looking to finalize Pac-12's No. 1 recruiting class
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Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.
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Average rating per recruit is the best metric.RatherBeBrewing said:Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.
It's not necessary when both teams sign the same number of kids.
Actually the very best metric is average rating per recruit minus special teams kids, but that requires actual maff and not just clicking a website. -
I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.dnc said:
The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?dnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.
I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.
My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.
If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.
All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out. -
Bruh, I broke it down in a variety of different ways and tried to simply lay out the numbers to show that, if anything, it's pretty fucking even.RatherBeBrewing said:Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.
Though feel free to show me where I ever said that any school's class was "better" than another. Please. Saying one team ranked higher, 14th than another, 16th makes no judgements re: one being better than another. It's called using fucking math to say 14 is a higher ranking than 16. Hth.
And @MontlakeDon, I agree with your premise in theory but last year we were coming off a rose bowl season and Oregon was coming off a season comparable to uws this past season under Eason, with a thrilling 7-6 victory in the cheezit bowl. And the narrative was Oregon is lapping every P12 team in TBSing. Then every preseason prediction rag mentioned oregons recruiting clsss as a major reason why they were ranking them where they were, as if they weren't returning basically every key player.
I just don't think this perception would be nearly as prevalent if UW had actually cared to beat their chest a little bit. It's really not that fucking hard and doesn't require a 200ft mural in times square to accomplish. -
With or without the P and LS?RatherBeBrewing said:Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.
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Last I looked the punter was upgraded to a three star but the LS definitely was not.whatshouldicareabout said:
With or without the P and LS?RatherBeBrewing said:Last year Washington had the better class because their 247 average rating is better. This year Washington has the better class because while their average rating is lower they are now higher in the 247 only rankings.
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@DoogCourics are you going to allow this racism and bullying to go on?dnc said:
I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.dnc said:
The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?dnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.
I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.
My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.
If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.
All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out. -
dnc said:
I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.dnc said:
The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?dnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.
I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.
My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.
If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.
All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.FireCohen said:
@DoogCourics are you going to allow this racism and bullying to go on?dnc said:
I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.dnc said:
The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?dnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.
I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.
My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.
If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.
All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.
Seems to me Smas still has a composite 5* on his profile, step back over the line DNC!
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I think Smalls and Noah Sewell are roughly the same thing. High upside, moderate floor. Not as safe of bet as Flowe. But an 81% chance there? elite.dnc said:
I think you would find the consensus here is that Smalls is probably not a five star kid, though I might be the only one allegedly racist enough to say it.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.dnc said:
The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?dnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.
I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.
My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.
If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.
All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out.
Flipside of the coin, I take Butterfield over Garbers every day of the week that ends in-y for the simple reason of I'll take the QB with a rocket launcher for an arm over someone Browning-esq.
At the same time, the huge difference between the two is Sewell and Garbers went to the Opening and balled out this year, where Smalls said no thanks and Butterfield showed up at the Oakland one for about five minutes and basically said "That's not what I want to do with my summer" to the notion of competing in the Elite 11.
247 only rankings basically overstate what Biggins sees at the Opening. Rivals rankings do the same for the Rivals camps. ESPN post-Tom Lemming tends to overstate measurables (JR Waters was an ESPN four-star last year, for example). Put them all together in composite and each of these flaws gets lessened.
