Mario Cristobal looking to finalize Pac-12's No. 1 recruiting class
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Thanks Taft!
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Lake's popping off seems to be vindicated.
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bananasnblondes said:
Lake's popping off seems to be vindicated.
UW finished with the #1 pac 12 class per 247 rankings (the ones that count).
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After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips1to392831weretaken said:After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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Did one of the 5 stars at Oregon get downgraded? I thought they had 3 between Sewell, Flowe and Manning.DoogCourics said:
Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips1to392831weretaken said:After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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I think Manning is a composite 5 star but a 247 4 star.
Either way, fuck him -
After poasting, I realized I was thinking of the composite rankings and @DoogCourics poasted 247 rankings.BendDawg24 said:I think Manning is a composite 5 star but a 247 4 star.
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Exactly. He’s the Ducks’ Savvy. 5 star composite but 4 star 247.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
After poasting, I realized I was thinking of the composite rankings and @DoogCourics poasted 247 rankings.BendDawg24 said:I think Manning is a composite 5 star but a 247 4 star.
Either way, fuck him
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Chinsightful analysis like this is why I pay $10.95 per month to be here!DoogCourics said:
Exactly. He’s the Ducks’ Savvy. 5 star composite but 4 star 247.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
After poasting, I realized I was thinking of the composite rankings and @DoogCourics poasted 247 rankings.BendDawg24 said:I think Manning is a composite 5 star but a 247 4 star.
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Does this count as half an offseason title?DoogCourics said:
Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips1to392831weretaken said:After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
Does this count as half an offseason title?DoogCourics said:
Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips1to392831weretaken said:After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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Considering we? quit recruiting before the offseason began, I'm gonna go with no.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
Does this count as half an offseason title?DoogCourics said:
Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips1to392831weretaken said:After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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True, Jimmy's focus in the offseason was hiring Donovan and finishing 2nd for Costello.dnc said:
Considering we? quit recruiting before the offseason began, I'm gonna go with no.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
Does this count as half an offseason title?DoogCourics said:
Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips1to392831weretaken said:After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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Two for two bitch!PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
True, Jimmy's focus in the offseason was hiring Donovan and finishing 2nd for Costello.dnc said:
Considering we? quit recruiting before the offseason began, I'm gonna go with no.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
Does this count as half an offseason title?DoogCourics said:
Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips1to392831weretaken said:After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company. -
We?MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company. -
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
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I guess I’m too new to know that. Either way, Jimmy will get the best class regardless of ranking system next yeardnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
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Recruiting stars are not the Kelvin scale. Jimmy should pick the ranking that makes the best pitch to croots.MontlakeDon said:
I guess I’m too new to know that. Either way, Jimmy will get the best class regardless of ranking system next yeardnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
ATBS, ESPN rankings suck. -
UW was ranked higher by 247.
Oregon was ranked higher by Rivals.
ESPN rankings are absolutely useless. -
You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?dnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em. -
Half natties for everyone!!bananasnblondes said:UW was ranked higher by 247.
Oregon was ranked higher by Rivals.
ESPN rankings are absolutely useless. -
Screen shots taken.MontlakeDon said:
I guess I’m too new to know that. Either way, Jimmy will get the best class regardless of ranking system next yeardnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em. -
The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?dnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.
I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.
My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.
If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that. -
The flipside of the coin is Smalls is still a 5 star on composite because of ESPN.dnc said:
The general stance of this bored for the last three or four years has been ESPN has no cred IRT west coast recruiting, Rivals has very little credibility and 247 has some cred.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
You do realize Oregon finished 13th and UW 15th on ESPN right? It wasn't ESPN that inflated the composite, it was Rivals (9th vs 19th). So is Rivals now included with ESPN?dnc said:
It's not really cherry picking, this site swore off ESPN rankings and anything that includes them (including the Composite) a long ass time ago.MontlakeDon said:
We can’t cherry pick which rating system we prefer. If we won the composite and Oregon was claiming the best class off of one rating system, we’d be laughing. We shouldn’t have moral victories, Jimmy can and will sign the number one composite class next year. The fact he didn’t add anyone of value after Peterman left is concerning, but he can close. Don’t settle for moral victories of signing a higher class in the eyes of one company.
If we were atop the Composite but second in the 247 rankings this site would say we came in second.
Honk em.
I've followed Rivals big wigs via Twitter for a couple years and they don't seem real concerned with the evaluating the west coast.
I think Oregon is a chinteresting outlier for Pac schools because they get a lot of kids from outside the west.
My guess is Oregon's rankings on the other systems are semi trustworthy but the other Pac schools are not.
If SC ever gets back to being SC they will probably be part of that.
All three have their chinherent biases. Composite does a decent enough job of mellowing them out. -
Read this article yesterday and it just reminded me how shitty UW is at marketing. The narrative for the last 2 cycles and referenced during the season by the national media is what a recruiting juggernaut Oregon has become. Every fucking article talking about the SEC stealing west coast recruits names Oregon as an exception and UW as a much lesser player (if we?re mentioned at all).
It is essentially spoken into existence. The casual football observer in Iowa doesn't know shit about west coast recruiting but they do "know" that with SC being down, Oregon is virtually taking everyone they want and Cristobal is some recruiting savant.
If Herbie says so, it must be true. Perception is reality. Water is wet. Oregon is one big marketing machine. And we? can't differentiate our? own head from our ass in that department. It pisses me off because the recruiting perception isn't true, and it's really our? own fucking fault. I'm going to dig into the #s so this is pretty fucking dry, but I'm curious to actually compare the recent classes.
Obviously as has been stated, this year's class is splitting hairs in the composite with Oregon 12 and UW 16. But on 247 UW has the #14 class vs uo at 16. Both schools signed 22 and though the quacks have higher per player avg with .8964 vs .8886, those numbers are skewed because of 2 ST players UW took (247 ranks based on projections into NFL draft and since STs players rarely if ever get drafted, their grades are reflectively shitty. Our LS and P respectively are graded. 74 and. 78. By comparison uo's lowest player is. 86. UW's lowest non ST guy is. 85). So f you take out those 2 outliers, I calculate UW's avg for position players is. 902, higher than the quacks. And while they have 3 guys in the top 50 or so, those are the only 3 in the top247. Our? Dawgs have 9.
Last year, again, Oregon got all the FREE Pub!!1i!i11!! with the top pac12 class in composite as well as 247 but once again that was splitting hairs, as 247 had Oregon 9th overall and UW 10th. Which was due to the quacks signing 1 more player; Dawgs actually had a higher per player avg (. 9008 to. 9004) and more players in the top247 with 10 against uo's 7.
And just to go back 4 full classes to get an overall idea of talent ranking within the programs at the moment...
2018, Oregon was 13 in composite to UW 16 due again to class size but we? had a higher per player ranking (90.21 to 89.18). And in just 247 rankings, Dawgs were 13th with quacks 17th. UW also had a significant advantage in per player avg with. 9045 to. 8829 as well as top247 players with 9 vs 6.
2017, Oregon was 19 in composite with UW at 22 due to taking 7 more players but UW had 9 4stars/9 3stars vs 5/20 and a higher per player with 88.45 to 87.24. Finally, in 247 rankings, quacks were 18 and Dawgs 22nd with UW holding an. 8822 to. 8664 per player advantage, as well as in top247 players with 6 to 4.
And yes, I know I just wasted an hour and a half on this shit. But it gets lonely in ma's basement and I'm still waiting on her dinner so fuck off!
This basically just confirmed what I already knew but UW is too fucking incompetent to make the public aware of: that this Oregon talent disparity/recruiting behemoth compared to all the leftovers out west is a myth and if you go by 247 rankings, which you should, UW has the better talent, even in the last 2 Epic!!!11!! classes for Cristobal. Now it's time to show it on the field.
Bottom line: both programs are significantly upgrading their talent level and recruiting better than they have in recent memory. And I don't expect us? to compete with Phil Knight in the marketing department any time soon. But I'm fucking sick of Oregon capitalizing on their momentum via the national perception while UW is right in the same realm... yet either too conceited or incompetent to show off its big metaphorical cock and seemingly content with being perceived nationally as 'at least we're not small.'
FYFMFUWADFJCFE!
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PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
True, Jimmy's focus in the offseason was hiring Donovan and finishing 2nd for Costello.dnc said:
Considering we? quit recruiting before the offseason began, I'm gonna go with no.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
Does this count as half an offseason title?DoogCourics said:
Same amount of commits at 22, but even with the 2 specialists, UW has more Blue Chips1to392831weretaken said:After adding absolutely nobody? Didn't Oregon add a few?
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If we went 10-2 and win the Rose bowl they’d say the same about us. Oregon was also trash a couple years ago so there is a starker contrast . At this point we need winsDugtheDoog said:Read this article yesterday and it just reminded me how shitty UW is at marketing. The narrative for the last 2 cycles and referenced during the season by the national media is what a recruiting juggernaut Oregon has become. Every fucking article talking about the SEC stealing west coast recruits names Oregon as an exception and UW as a much lesser player (if we?re mentioned at all).
It is essentially spoken into existence. The casual football observer in Iowa doesn't know shit about west coast recruiting but they do "know" that with SC being down, Oregon is virtually taking everyone they want and Cristobal is some recruiting savant.
If Herbie says so, it must be true. Perception is reality. Water is wet. Oregon is one big marketing machine. And we? can't differentiate our? own head from our ass in that department. It pisses me off because the recruiting perception isn't true, and it's really our? own fucking fault. I'm going to dig into the #s so this is pretty fucking dry, but I'm curious to actually compare the recent classes.
Obviously as has been stated, this year's class is splitting hairs in the composite with Oregon 12 and UW 16. But on 247 UW has the #14 class vs uo at 16. Both schools signed 22 and though the quacks have higher per player avg with .8964 vs .8886, those numbers are skewed because of 2 ST players UW took (247 ranks based on projections into NFL draft and since STs players rarely if ever get drafted, their grades are reflectively shitty. Our LS and P respectively are graded. 74 and. 78. By comparison uo's lowest player is. 86. UW's lowest non ST guy is. 85). So f you take out those 2 outliers, I calculate UW's avg for position players is. 902, higher than the quacks. And while they have 3 guys in the top 50 or so, those are the only 3 in the top247. Our? Dawgs have 9.
Last year, again, Oregon got all the FREE Pub!!1i!i11!! with the top pac12 class in composite as well as 247 but once again that was splitting hairs, as 247 had Oregon 9th overall and UW 10th. Which was due to the quacks signing 1 more player; Dawgs actually had a higher per player avg (. 9008 to. 9004) and more players in the top247 with 10 against uo's 7.
And just to go back 4 full classes to get an overall idea of talent ranking within the programs at the moment...
2018, Oregon was 13 in composite to UW 16 due again to class size but we? had a higher per player ranking (90.21 to 89.18). And in just 247 rankings, Dawgs were 13th with quacks 17th. UW also had a significant advantage in per player avg with. 9045 to. 8829 as well as top247 players with 9 vs 6.
2017, Oregon was 19 in composite with UW at 22 due to taking 7 more players but UW had 9 4stars/9 3stars vs 5/20 and a higher per player with 88.45 to 87.24. Finally, in 247 rankings, quacks were 18 and Dawgs 22nd with UW holding an. 8822 to. 8664 per player advantage, as well as in top247 players with 6 to 4.
And yes, I know I just wasted an hour and a half on this shit. But it gets lonely in ma's basement and I'm still waiting on her dinner so fuck off!
This basically just confirmed what I already knew but UW is too fucking incompetent to make the public aware of: that this Oregon talent disparity/recruiting behemoth compared to all the leftovers out west is a myth and if you go by 247 rankings, which you should, UW has the better talent, even in the last 2 Epic!!!11!! classes for Cristobal. Now it's time to show it on the field.
Bottom line: both programs are significantly upgrading their talent level and recruiting better than they have in recent memory. And I don't expect us? to compete with Phil Knight in the marketing department any time soon. But I'm fucking sick of Oregon capitalizing on their momentum via the national perception while UW is right in the same realm... yet either too conceited or incompetent to show off its big metaphorical cock and seemingly content with being perceived nationally as 'at least we're not small.'
FYFMFUWADFJCFE!
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one thing I expect is that when the ESPN car wash thingy starts up again and they are forced to spend a 1/2 episode or something acknolweding the Pac12 exists that Jimmy will make a dramatically bigger and, finally, a positive impact with ESPN so hopefully he'll end that bad mojo stretch where ESPN is mad at UW for Pete. We might get mentioned on College Football Live next season as long as we don't Owen.
