The Good, Bad and Ugly of Mike Leach’s departure

DerekJohnson · January 2020

https://cougcenter.com/2020/1/11/21060531/non-emergency-good-bad-ugly-mike-leach-departure-mississippi-state-bulldogs-washington-state-cougars

NoWarningJustDawg · January 2020

"Recruiting - Per 247, the class of 2019 in Mississippi produced three 5-star prospects and 13 4-star prospects. Mississippi State signed one of the 5-stars and two of the 4-stars. In that same year, Washington produced zero 5-stars and all of two 4-stars. While it remains to be seen whether Leach can recruit to the level necessary to compete, that’s a much better local crop of talent from which to draw."

Classic Cougcenter, coming to a conclusion after cherry-picking a single piece of data.

2017, 247 rankings: 6 blue chips in Miss, 6 in WA.
2018: 5 in each state
2020: 8 in each state
2021: 3 in Miss, 8 in WA

It's hard.
Yeah over several years there's been more in Mississippi. Good luck keeping them from Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Auburn, A&M, and Derek's mighty Vols, let alone Kiffin.

Seems like a better point would be that Leach will now recruit for a team that is on equal footing with his rival instead of being a little brother, but I wouldn't expect a Coug to admit that.

animate · January 2020

Leach should have more success recruiting for The Mississippi State

vadawg · January 2020

NoWarningJustDawg said:
"Recruiting - Per 247, the class of 2019 in Mississippi produced three 5-star prospects and 13 4-star prospects. Mississippi State signed one of the 5-stars and two of the 4-stars. In that same year, Washington produced zero 5-stars and all of two 4-stars. While it remains to be seen whether Leach can recruit to the level necessary to compete, that’s a much better local crop of talent from which to draw."

Classic Cougcenter, coming to a conclusion after cherry-picking a single piece of data.

2017, 247 rankings: 6 blue chips in Miss, 6 in WA.
2018: 5 in each state
2020: 8 in each state
2021: 3 in Miss, 8 in WA

It's hard.
Yeah over several years there's been more in Mississippi. Good luck keeping them from Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Auburn, A&M, and Derek's mighty Vols, let alone Kiffin.

Seems like a better point would be that Leach will now recruit for a team that is on equal footing with his rival instead of being a little brother, but I wouldn't expect a Coug to admit that.

You may want to look at the surrounding states.

Mississippi: Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas
Washington: Idaho, Oregon and Canada

Now look at the amount of Blue Chip per population: WA: 8m, MS 2.5m

In the past year I've seen Eastside Catholic and Kennedy play. I've also watched Oxford (Class 6a Champ in MS...1200 students), and Columbia (3a runner up 700 students).....trust me, the quality, speed, size and toughness of the MS teams is superior in all ways.

And if you've never been to Starkville, Pullman is a fucking megalopolis in comparison!

I don't know if anyone can be successful at MS St or Ole Miss but, if anyone can be somewhat successful, I think Leach will be it. Oh yeah, the MS St alumni are willing to throw cash around to just win 9 games. It's a good move for Leach.

NoWarningJustDawg · January 2020

In this thread: People that apparently can't see I'm making fun of Cougfan.
...Ah, fuck it, whatever. Carry on. Back to bitching about our own coaches.

creepycoug · January 2020

NoWarningJustDawg said:
"Recruiting - Per 247, the class of 2019 in Mississippi produced three 5-star prospects and 13 4-star prospects. Mississippi State signed one of the 5-stars and two of the 4-stars. In that same year, Washington produced zero 5-stars and all of two 4-stars. While it remains to be seen whether Leach can recruit to the level necessary to compete, that’s a much better local crop of talent from which to draw."

Classic Cougcenter, coming to a conclusion after cherry-picking a single piece of data.

2017, 247 rankings: 6 blue chips in Miss, 6 in WA.
2018: 5 in each state
2020: 8 in each state
2021: 3 in Miss, 8 in WA

It's hard.
Yeah over several years there's been more in Mississippi. Good luck keeping them from Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Auburn, A&M, and Derek's mighty Vols, let alone Kiffin.

Seems like a better point would be that Leach will now recruit for a team that is on equal footing with his rival instead of being a little brother, but I wouldn't expect a Coug to admit that.

That's an obvious revelation. PNW is not a hotbed of talent. If it weren't for Cali, there the entirely of western US football would be a bunch of Boise States.

That said, the state of Mississippi is a giant butt hole. It is a place with nary a single redeeming quality.

theknowledge · January 2020

creepycoug said:

NoWarningJustDawg said:
"Recruiting - Per 247, the class of 2019 in Mississippi produced three 5-star prospects and 13 4-star prospects. Mississippi State signed one of the 5-stars and two of the 4-stars. In that same year, Washington produced zero 5-stars and all of two 4-stars. While it remains to be seen whether Leach can recruit to the level necessary to compete, that’s a much better local crop of talent from which to draw."

Classic Cougcenter, coming to a conclusion after cherry-picking a single piece of data.

2017, 247 rankings: 6 blue chips in Miss, 6 in WA.
2018: 5 in each state
2020: 8 in each state
2021: 3 in Miss, 8 in WA

It's hard.
Yeah over several years there's been more in Mississippi. Good luck keeping them from Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Auburn, A&M, and Derek's mighty Vols, let alone Kiffin.

Seems like a better point would be that Leach will now recruit for a team that is on equal footing with his rival instead of being a little brother, but I wouldn't expect a Coug to admit that.
That's an obvious revelation. PNW is not a hotbed of talent. If it weren't for Cali, there the entirely of western US football would be a bunch of Boise States.

That said, the state of Mississippi is a giant butt hole. It is a place with nary a single redeeming quality.

Sign me up!

chuck · January 2020

creepycoug said:

NoWarningJustDawg said:
"Recruiting - Per 247, the class of 2019 in Mississippi produced three 5-star prospects and 13 4-star prospects. Mississippi State signed one of the 5-stars and two of the 4-stars. In that same year, Washington produced zero 5-stars and all of two 4-stars. While it remains to be seen whether Leach can recruit to the level necessary to compete, that’s a much better local crop of talent from which to draw."

Classic Cougcenter, coming to a conclusion after cherry-picking a single piece of data.

2017, 247 rankings: 6 blue chips in Miss, 6 in WA.
2018: 5 in each state
2020: 8 in each state
2021: 3 in Miss, 8 in WA

It's hard.
Yeah over several years there's been more in Mississippi. Good luck keeping them from Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Auburn, A&M, and Derek's mighty Vols, let alone Kiffin.

Seems like a better point would be that Leach will now recruit for a team that is on equal footing with his rival instead of being a little brother, but I wouldn't expect a Coug to admit that.
That's an obvious revelation. PNW is not a hotbed of talent. If it weren't for Cali, there the entirely of western US football would be a bunch of Boise States.

That said, the state of Mississippi is a giant butt hole. It is a place with nary a single redeeming quality.

You obviously view butt holes differently than I do. We agree on Mississippi, just not the analogy.

DerekJohnson · January 2020

chuck said:

creepycoug said:

NoWarningJustDawg said:
"Recruiting - Per 247, the class of 2019 in Mississippi produced three 5-star prospects and 13 4-star prospects. Mississippi State signed one of the 5-stars and two of the 4-stars. In that same year, Washington produced zero 5-stars and all of two 4-stars. While it remains to be seen whether Leach can recruit to the level necessary to compete, that’s a much better local crop of talent from which to draw."

Classic Cougcenter, coming to a conclusion after cherry-picking a single piece of data.

2017, 247 rankings: 6 blue chips in Miss, 6 in WA.
2018: 5 in each state
2020: 8 in each state
2021: 3 in Miss, 8 in WA

It's hard.
Yeah over several years there's been more in Mississippi. Good luck keeping them from Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Auburn, A&M, and Derek's mighty Vols, let alone Kiffin.

Seems like a better point would be that Leach will now recruit for a team that is on equal footing with his rival instead of being a little brother, but I wouldn't expect a Coug to admit that.
That's an obvious revelation. PNW is not a hotbed of talent. If it weren't for Cali, there the entirely of western US football would be a bunch of Boise States.

That said, the state of Mississippi is a giant butt hole. It is a place with nary a single redeeming quality.
You obviously view butt holes differently than I do. We agree on Mississippi, just not the analogy.

ChuckHIV!

Mad_Son · January 2020

vadawg said:

NoWarningJustDawg said:
"Recruiting - Per 247, the class of 2019 in Mississippi produced three 5-star prospects and 13 4-star prospects. Mississippi State signed one of the 5-stars and two of the 4-stars. In that same year, Washington produced zero 5-stars and all of two 4-stars. While it remains to be seen whether Leach can recruit to the level necessary to compete, that’s a much better local crop of talent from which to draw."

Classic Cougcenter, coming to a conclusion after cherry-picking a single piece of data.

2017, 247 rankings: 6 blue chips in Miss, 6 in WA.
2018: 5 in each state
2020: 8 in each state
2021: 3 in Miss, 8 in WA

It's hard.
Yeah over several years there's been more in Mississippi. Good luck keeping them from Bama, LSU, UGA, Florida, Auburn, A&M, and Derek's mighty Vols, let alone Kiffin.

Seems like a better point would be that Leach will now recruit for a team that is on equal footing with his rival instead of being a little brother, but I wouldn't expect a Coug to admit that.
You may want to look at the surrounding states.

Mississippi: Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas
Washington: Idaho, Oregon and Canada

Now look at the amount of Blue Chip per population: WA: 8m, MS 2.5m

How does per capita matter? What matters in the talent available to them in their catchment area and the number of competitors in the region. That is the talent normalization that matters.

MikeDamone · January 2020

But will he castrate a bull to motivate his team?

TommySQC · January 2020

MikeDamone said:
But will he castrate a bull to motivate his team?

Jackie Sherrill was the best

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