Fire Hop
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Totally disagree. He went from useless to less useless.dhdawg said:
disagree. Timmins has badly regressed from last year.ThomasFremont said:
Bey is getting minutes. And Timmins is taking Robert’s minutes.RoadDawg55 said:
We would be terrible without them, especially Stewart. A tourney appearance and a win would appease most the fan base. We would have no shot at doing that without Stewart and McDaniels.ThomasFremont said:
One and done isn’t the issue. No team in the country would say no to one year of Stewart, including us. Coaching and roster management are the problem. Hop should have worked harder to keep Davis from bouncing to Stanford. This team could use a top tier PG to run the show that’s actually played and can provide senior leadership. Take away the one and done players are we are even worse off. It’s not like we turned down some other super great 4 year college player to take McDaniels.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home.
That said, one and dones hinder the growth of guys like Roberts and Bey that ideally would be around for four years. Guys get better by playing and being relied upon. If we don’t at least make the tournament and win a game or two, having Stewart and McDaniels was pointless and makes us no better off for having them, and probably even hurts a little bit.
I’m not convinced Hop is developing anyone for shit.
Name a guy who’s gotten way better?
Timmins is slightly less of a shit show. I can’t name another...
The overall poont stands. -
Timmins improved down the stretch last year and has carried that over this year.
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Timmons has always sucked.
Naz has improved a lot from his freshman year to now.ThomasFremont said:
Bey is getting minutes. And Timmins is taking Robert’s minutes.RoadDawg55 said:
We would be terrible without them, especially Stewart. A tourney appearance and a win would appease most the fan base. We would have no shot at doing that without Stewart and McDaniels.ThomasFremont said:
One and done isn’t the issue. No team in the country would say no to one year of Stewart, including us. Coaching and roster management are the problem. Hop should have worked harder to keep Davis from bouncing to Stanford. This team could use a top tier PG to run the show that’s actually played and can provide senior leadership. Take away the one and done players are we are even worse off. It’s not like we turned down some other super great 4 year college player to take McDaniels.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home.
That said, one and dones hinder the growth of guys like Roberts and Bey that ideally would be around for four years. Guys get better by playing and being relied upon. If we don’t at least make the tournament and win a game or two, having Stewart and McDaniels was pointless and makes us no better off for having them, and probably even hurts a little bit.
I’m not convinced Hop is developing anyone for shit.
Name a guy who’s gotten way better?
Timmins is slightly less of a shit show. I can’t name another...
Nowell was better as a sophomore. Thybulle overall got way better with Hop.
He’s developing guys. We haven’t really had a situation where a guy has went to playing 30 min after playing 15. Those are the guys that are often much improved. -
Stewart + Mcdaniels = mediocre with upsideRoadDawg55 said:
We would be terrible without them, especially Stewart. A tourney appearance and a win would appease most the fan base. We would have no shot at doing that without Stewart and McDaniels.ThomasFremont said:
One and done isn’t the issue. No team in the country would say no to one year of Stewart, including us. Coaching and roster management are the problem. Hop should have worked harder to keep Davis from bouncing to Stanford. This team could use a top tier PG to run the show that’s actually played and can provide senior leadership. Take away the one and done players are we are even worse off. It’s not like we turned down some other super great 4 year college player to take McDaniels.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home.
That said, one and dones hinder the growth of guys like Roberts and Bey that ideally would be around for four years. Guys get better by playing and being relied upon. If we don’t at least make the tournament and win a game or two, having Stewart and McDaniels was pointless and makes us no better off for having them, and probably even hurts a little bit.
Only Stewart, no Mcdaniels = mediocre very limited upside
Only Mcdaniels, no Stewart = dreck
No Stewart, No Mcdaniels = dreck
Nowell + Stewart = good
Nowell, Stewart, Mcdaniels = actually would have been special
Hop not getting Nowell to come back was a bigger loss than landing Mcdaniels
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Yep. Nowell if you could have gotten him to return for year 3 would have been arguably the biggest return in CBB. That’s an All American level player. I doubt we would have more than 1 loss with him. 2 tops.Houhusky said:
Stewart + Mcdaniels = mediocre with upsideRoadDawg55 said:
We would be terrible without them, especially Stewart. A tourney appearance and a win would appease most the fan base. We would have no shot at doing that without Stewart and McDaniels.ThomasFremont said:
One and done isn’t the issue. No team in the country would say no to one year of Stewart, including us. Coaching and roster management are the problem. Hop should have worked harder to keep Davis from bouncing to Stanford. This team could use a top tier PG to run the show that’s actually played and can provide senior leadership. Take away the one and done players are we are even worse off. It’s not like we turned down some other super great 4 year college player to take McDaniels.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home.
That said, one and dones hinder the growth of guys like Roberts and Bey that ideally would be around for four years. Guys get better by playing and being relied upon. If we don’t at least make the tournament and win a game or two, having Stewart and McDaniels was pointless and makes us no better off for having them, and probably even hurts a little bit.
Only Stewart, no Mcdaniels = mediocre very limited upside
Only Mcdaniels, no Stewart = dreck
No Stewart, No Mcdaniels = dreck
Nowell + Stewart = good
Nowell, Stewart, Mcdaniels = actually would have been special
Hop not getting Nowell to come back was a bigger loss than landing Mcdaniels -
My point is more Nowell types. 3 year players that contribute day one. Guys ranked 40-100 in the rankings. If the team was better, Nowell wouldn’t have put up 17 per game and wouldn’t have the stats needed to bounce after his second year.
We need 1-2 of those guys every single recruiting class. That’s what Villanova, UNC, and Virginia, etc do. Gonzaga does it as well, although they have started to Beyoncé heavily reliant on transfers. That’s how you build a program. Naz is a poor man’s version of Nowell and is also a perfect UW recruit. Bey on paper was, but that is not panning out so far.
I like Jackson Grant as this type of player. He lacks the strength to be a high draft pick and should be around for 3+ years, but he’s still good and skilled enough to play day one. If they don’t seriously flash in their first 1.5 years, it’s probably not going to happen.
Once you establish a foundation with a few of these guys, you add transfers and one and done types to put you over the top and take you from being a contender to a favorite.
I don’t hate one and dones. We would be shit without them, but they really aren’t that valuable. We will never be Duke or Kentucky and get 2+ top 10-15 picks every year. -
Totally agree. Which is why landing the guys like Nowell and Davis is so critical. That way when a guy like Banchero comes around, you add his talent to an already solid core.RoadDawg55 said:My point is more Nowell types. 3 year players that contribute day one. Guys ranked 40-100 in the rankings. If the team was better, Nowell wouldn’t have put up 17 per game and wouldn’t have the stats needed to bounce after his second year.
We need 1-2 of those guys every single recruiting class. That’s what Villanova, UNC, and Virginia, etc do. Gonzaga does it as well, although they have started to Beyoncé heavily reliant on transfers. That’s how you build a program. Naz is a poor man’s version of Nowell and is also a perfect UW recruit. Bey on paper was, but that is not panning out so far.
I like Jackson Grant as this type of player. He lacks the strength to be a high draft pick and should be around for 3+ years, but he’s still good and skilled enough to play day one. If they don’t seriously flash in their first 1.5 years, it’s probably not going to happen.
Once you establish a foundation with a few of these guys, you add transfers and one and done types to put you over the top and take you from being a contender to a favorite.
I don’t hate one and dones. We would be shit without them, but they really aren’t that valuable. We will never be Duke or Kentucky and get 2+ top 10-15 picks every year.
2021 is a strong year for in state talent, so I assume we are ok there. But the 2020 class is a nightmare currently. Yeah it sucks that Beauchamp is doing his weird pro camp thing, but even then that’s one 4 star. What’s the rest of the plan??? -
Yep. Not getting a solid player or two in 2020 will fuck us.ThomasFremont said:
Totally agree. Which is why landing the guys like Nowell and Davis is so critical. That way when a guy like Banchero comes around, you add his talent to an already solid core.RoadDawg55 said:My point is more Nowell types. 3 year players that contribute day one. Guys ranked 40-100 in the rankings. If the team was better, Nowell wouldn’t have put up 17 per game and wouldn’t have the stats needed to bounce after his second year.
We need 1-2 of those guys every single recruiting class. That’s what Villanova, UNC, and Virginia, etc do. Gonzaga does it as well, although they have started to Beyoncé heavily reliant on transfers. That’s how you build a program. Naz is a poor man’s version of Nowell and is also a perfect UW recruit. Bey on paper was, but that is not panning out so far.
I like Jackson Grant as this type of player. He lacks the strength to be a high draft pick and should be around for 3+ years, but he’s still good and skilled enough to play day one. If they don’t seriously flash in their first 1.5 years, it’s probably not going to happen.
Once you establish a foundation with a few of these guys, you add transfers and one and done types to put you over the top and take you from being a contender to a favorite.
I don’t hate one and dones. We would be shit without them, but they really aren’t that valuable. We will never be Duke or Kentucky and get 2+ top 10-15 picks every year.
2021 is a strong year for in state talent, so I assume we are ok there. But the 2020 class is a nightmare currently. Yeah it sucks that Beauchamp is doing his weird pro camp thing, but even then that’s one 4 star. What’s the rest of the plan???
