Kip Winger on Grunge killing hair metal

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

dflea said:

We went fishing with a guy one time that said he liked Winger - so we called him Stewart for the rest of the trip. He didn't seem to find it as funny as we did.

Killing bands like Winger, Poison and Cinderella was grunge's greatest gift to mankind. Think about it - you can go see Winger, or you can go see Alice in Chains. You can go see Poison or you can go see Soundgarden. You can go see Cinderella or you can go see Nirvana. You can go see Warrant, or you can go see Mother Love Bone. Hair metal better than grunge? Get the fuck out of here.

Grunge's only issue was people thinking any band in a flannel shirt was a grunge band, and record companies trying to capitalize on it.

You're comparing grunge's starters to hair metal's second stringers

MikeDamone said:

dflea said:

We went fishing with a guy one time that said he liked Winger - so we called him Stewart for the rest of the trip. He didn't seem to find it as funny as we did.

Killing bands like Winger, Poison and Cinderella was grunge's greatest gift to mankind. Think about it - you can go see Winger, or you can go see Alice in Chains. You can go see Poison or you can go see Soundgarden. You can go see Cinderella or you can go see Nirvana. You can go see Warrant, or you can go see Mother Love Bone. Hair metal better than grunge? Get the fuck out of here.

Grunge's only issue was people thinking any band in a flannel shirt was a grunge band, and record companies trying to capitalize on it.

That’s a shitty post.

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

dflea said:

We went fishing with a guy one time that said he liked Winger - so we called him Stewart for the rest of the trip. He didn't seem to find it as funny as we did.

Killing bands like Winger, Poison and Cinderella was grunge's greatest gift to mankind. Think about it - you can go see Winger, or you can go see Alice in Chains. You can go see Poison or you can go see Soundgarden. You can go see Cinderella or you can go see Nirvana. You can go see Warrant, or you can go see Mother Love Bone. Hair metal better than grunge? Get the fuck out of here.

Grunge's only issue was people thinking any band in a flannel shirt was a grunge band, and record companies trying to capitalize on it.

You're comparing grunge's starters to hair metal's second stringers

I don't think so. Those band were the hair metal starters. I think you're thinking that any metal band with big hair back then was a hair metal band. They weren't - it's just that everyone had big hair in the 80's. Iron Maiden isn't hair metal. Poison is hair metal. I guess hair metal is like porn - I don't know how to define it, but I know when I see/hear it.

Iron Maiden in the 1980's - lots of hair, not hair metal.




Poison in the 1980's - lots of hair, the definition of hair metal

MikeDamone said:

dflea said:

We went fishing with a guy one time that said he liked Winger - so we called him Stewart for the rest of the trip. He didn't seem to find it as funny as we did.

Killing bands like Winger, Poison and Cinderella was grunge's greatest gift to mankind. Think about it - you can go see Winger, or you can go see Alice in Chains. You can go see Poison or you can go see Soundgarden. You can go see Cinderella or you can go see Nirvana. You can go see Warrant, or you can go see Mother Love Bone. Hair metal better than grunge? Get the fuck out of here.

Grunge's only issue was people thinking any band in a flannel shirt was a grunge band, and record companies trying to capitalize on it.

That’s a shitty post.

Cinderella fan heard from.

Go check your lipstick and hair, Damone.

I basically agree with this, and the notion that Grunge did us a favor. Hair metal was getting rather stupid, and I can honestly say w/o equivocation that I thought so back then, and the 80s and 90s were my yute. Cherry Pie? JFC

flea is right: you have to draw a distinction between Poison, Rat, Cinderella, on the one hand, and Van Halen, AC DC, Sabath, Scorpions, Leppard (early), Priest, Crue, etc. Admittedly, some fall in the middle .. Crue and Leppard both have hair-band qualities. but I'd keep them on the right side of the ledger because I like them.

I generally group them in my mind along the following lines:

classic rock 60s/70s era - Zeppelin, Cream, the Who, Deep Purple, etc. lots of other classic rock guys who weren't as heavy, e.g. Beattles, Stones, etc.

later into the 70s/80s and the term "heavy metal" is being used all over the place, you get into Van Halen, ACDC, Scorpions, Priest, Sabath (I'm aware some of these bands come out of the 60s), Ozzy on his own, Leppard, Crue, etc.

then Grunge, everybody knows the lineup, which I think both weeded out the shit eating true hair bands that needed killing off and also overshadowed, and made less cool, the good metal bands from the 70s and 80s.

then a bunch of bands I don't know what to do with, like the Chili Peppers & G&R, who seemed to show up in the 90s and were huge even though they weren't really grunge.

then somewhere in there, I don't really care when, the weird, just noisy for noise sake, no rythm, no beat, screaming shit shows show up that does nothing for me: Slip Knot, Korn, Megadeath, Limp Bizkit, Motorhead and that whole weird genre of shit that seems great for depressed people.

it's liberating to free oneself from adherence to categories and limits and admit out loud you like what you like. I don't like Poison per se, but I like "Nothin' but a good time" just because it's a song that would have been in the background at a party when I was a kid and that makes me happy. I like Elton John because my mom played him when I was growing up. I hate Bread for the same reason.

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

dflea said:

We went fishing with a guy one time that said he liked Winger - so we called him Stewart for the rest of the trip. He didn't seem to find it as funny as we did.

Killing bands like Winger, Poison and Cinderella was grunge's greatest gift to mankind. Think about it - you can go see Winger, or you can go see Alice in Chains. You can go see Poison or you can go see Soundgarden. You can go see Cinderella or you can go see Nirvana. You can go see Warrant, or you can go see Mother Love Bone. Hair metal better than grunge? Get the fuck out of here.

Grunge's only issue was people thinking any band in a flannel shirt was a grunge band, and record companies trying to capitalize on it.

You're comparing grunge's starters to hair metal's second stringers

I don't think so. Those band were the hair metal starters. I think you're thinking that any metal band with big hair back then was a hair metal band. They weren't - it's just that everyone had big hair in the 80's. Iron Maiden isn't hair metal. Poison is hair metal. I guess hair metal is like porn - I don't know how to define it, but I know when I see/hear it.

Iron Maiden in the 1980's - lots of hair, not hair metal.




Poison in the 1980's - lots of hair, the definition of hair metal

MikeDamone said:

dflea said:

We went fishing with a guy one time that said he liked Winger - so we called him Stewart for the rest of the trip. He didn't seem to find it as funny as we did.

Killing bands like Winger, Poison and Cinderella was grunge's greatest gift to mankind. Think about it - you can go see Winger, or you can go see Alice in Chains. You can go see Poison or you can go see Soundgarden. You can go see Cinderella or you can go see Nirvana. You can go see Warrant, or you can go see Mother Love Bone. Hair metal better than grunge? Get the fuck out of here.

Grunge's only issue was people thinking any band in a flannel shirt was a grunge band, and record companies trying to capitalize on it.

That’s a shitty post.

Cinderella fan heard from.

Go check your lipstick and hair, Damone.

I basically agree with this, and the notion that Grunge did us a favor. Hair metal was getting rather stupid, and I can honestly say w/o equivocation that I thought so back then, and the 80s and 90s were my yute. Cherry Pie? JFC

flea is right: you have to draw a distinction between Poison, Rat, Cinderella, on the one hand, and Van Halen, AC DC, Sabath, Scorpions, Leppard (early), Priest, Crue, etc. Admittedly, some fall in the middle .. Crue and Leppard both have hair-band qualities. but I'd keep them on the right side of the ledger because I like them.

I generally group them in my mind along the following lines:

classic rock 60s/70s era - Zeppelin, Cream, the Who, Deep Purple, etc. lots of other classic rock guys who weren't as heavy, e.g. Beattles, Stones, etc.

later into the 70s/80s and the term "heavy metal" is being used all over the place, you get into Van Halen, ACDC, Scorpions, Priest, Sabath (I'm aware some of these bands come out of the 60s), Ozzy on his own, Leppard, Crue, etc.

then Grunge, everybody knows the lineup, which I think both weeded out the shit eating true hair bands that needed killing off and also overshadowed, and made less cool, the good metal bands from the 70s and 80s.

then a bunch of bands I don't know what to do with, like the Chili Peppers & G&R, who seemed to show up in the 90s and were huge even though they weren't really grunge.

then somewhere in there, I don't really care when, the weird, just noisy for noise sake, no rythm, no beat, screaming shit shows show up that does nothing for me: Slip Knot, Korn, Megadeath, Limp Bizkit, Motorhead and that whole weird genre of shit that seems great for depressed people.

it's liberating to free oneself from adherence to categories and limits and admit out loud you like what you like. I don't like Poison per se, but I like "Nothin' but a good time" just because it's a song that would have been in the background at a party when I was a kid and that makes me happy. I like Elton John because my mom played him when I was growing up. I hate Bread for the same reason.

I'm going to need to meet you at the 7-11 for disparaging Motorhead. Don't ever do that again, or I'll add you to the list.

Maybe I can pull them from that list. I can't say I've listened to a lot of it but on first glance it didn't seem like my cup of tea. If I bothered to expose myself to it, they'd probably end up with me where I put Metallica or the Chili Peppers, who have 4 or 5 tunes I really cranky up but otherwise I'm not that interested.