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No, I actually believe that this year was just fluky and not a real indicator of our potential talent level and things to come.RoadDawg55 said:
It’s just an opinion on Kalepo. Great kid, not a very good football player. We could wait until he’s a junior to fork any opinion or we can use this board to give opinions, predictions, etc. It’s kind of the point of message boards. You seem more like a doogman type who needs “Go Dawgs” and nothing else.BroadcastingDawg said:
I really don't care... I see that Polk avg'd 1.7 yards on 20 carries his first go around. I see that Newton avg'd 4.3 and had 10 TD's... I think they are the same kind of back, bruisers who make their money carrying guys and breaking arm tackles. You really think people were high on Polk after '08? Difference is Newton has actually shown you something!AtomicDawg said:Whoosh on kalepo. But in reality he has a long way to go. Not very coordinated or quick in the feet.
Were you like 4 years old when Polk was a freshman? You do know he was injured vs BYU and didn’t play again that year and if he wasn’t as good as he was that would have been a redshirt year he would have filed for after his junior year.
If you think Polk and newton are the same type of back that is just wrong. Doesn’t mean newton is bad
I think Newton will eventually hit some long runs when he's settled into a starting role on this O. To just expect him to come out and burn guys for 50+ yarders his first season is insane. Especially in an offense that nobody liked the play calling and the passing offense we mediocre at best. Hitting on long runs is seldom just because the running back is fast, it takes catching the D in a bad set, effective blocking at multiple levels... opposing D's didn't respect our ability to pass it down the field all year and stacked the box to stop the run.
20 other D1 programs thought Kalepo was worthy of a scholarship... including USC and Oregon... discounting him is nuts at this point in his career.
1. Bad personnel choices at LB. UW plays a style of D that relies on fast, reliable diagnosis from the LB's and Wellington/Manu were just slow and couldn't tackle in space. You drop into coverage like we do... opposing offenses are going to try to beat you in the flat, and these 2 killed us. Yes, it was bad recruiting for a couple years at LB (not to mention Ale Kaho's situation fucking us)... so there's not a lot of excuse for that, but I believe that area is replenished and we should see a big step forward next year. Just a blip of bad play. Wellington was just never a linebacker, I even mentioned a few times years ago that I wanted to what we maybe had with him on offense.
2. Bad personnel choices at WR. And there is no excuse for this one. I was one of the most vocal making threads regarding Baccellia and Fuller through out the season. Bynum, Spiker and Nacua should have been starting over these clowns from day 1. I think there's a ton of reason to believe the offense is going to get way better. You can't pass down the field, you can't open up the running lanes like we wanted to see happen.
When all is said and done, The Huskies lost 4 Pac 12 games by less than one score in a season where Utah and Oregon were supposed to have their elite squads and we were far from it. If we were getting dominated, I'd be far less doogy.
That's why I'm not that worried. I think we've got the program and the players to dominate the Pac 12... because at Utah and Oregon's best, they weren't that good.
I just don't get all the negadawg attitude. If I'm a Doog, it doesn't make the other attitudes on this board realistic... they just sound petty. -
I agree... and that's something you can put on tape and he can learn. I also believe with a better passing game that forces the D out of the box, we'd see less and less instances where Newton is met with that tackler at the 2nd level.RoadDawg55 said:Newton needs to learn to not always initiate contact in the 2nd level. He seeks it when sometimes it isn’t necessary. It’s not a horrible problem to have. We talk about being tough and physical, well that’s exactly what Newton is.
He pushes guys backwards, but still goes down when he could side step then and gain 10-20 more yards. He needs to turn his 7 yard runs into 15-20 yard gains. He does that and there is no bitching over his ypc.
You'll never be able to teach Ahmed how to break a tackle at the first level. It's just something he doesn't have in him.
Which is why I'm high on Newton because he's got that first part down pat. -
UW sucks until they don't. The line to bleaux Lake shouldn't start forming until he's actually coached a game.
So far it's feeling Sarkish. Michigan game will tell us more. -
You made a pretty nice, long post which is always risky here. It was fine. People are going to disagree on the details. Some are going to be rude about it. Dont get so butt hurt.BroadcastingDawg said:
You don't know that Newton won't be as good in his second year. You have no idea.chuck said:
I prefer toRoadDawg55 said:BTP it’s purely TBS faggotry why you think he’s not good enough.
I bet he gets a little faster and works on the nuances. The balance and power are there. He’s great in short yardage.
Actually your take on Chris Polk is much, much dumber. They threw him to the wolves early in the 2008 season, as a true fresh with a bad shoulder which he promptly injured. That year counts for shit.BroadcastingDawg said:
Fuck off moron. Your opinion isn't worth any more than mine.AtomicDawg said:
Then you can’t be helped. You obviously started watching football very recently. Don’t let logic get in the way of any assumptions and doog the fuck out.BroadcastingDawg said:
I really don't care... I see that Polk avg'd 1.7 yards on 20 carries his first go around. I see that Newton avg'd 4.3 and had 10 TD's... I think they are the same kind of back, bruisers who make their money carrying guys and breaking arm tackles. You really think people were high on Polk after '08? Difference is Newton has actually shown you something!AtomicDawg said:Whoosh on kalepo. But in reality he has a long way to go. Not very coordinated or quick in the feet.
Were you like 4 years old when Polk was a freshman? You do know he was injured vs BYU and didn’t play again that year and if he wasn’t as good as he was that would have been a redshirt year he would have filed for after his junior year.
If you think Polk and newton are the same type of back that is just wrong. Doesn’t mean newton is bad
I think Newton will eventually hit some long runs when he's settled into a starting role on this O. To just expect him to come out and burn guys for 50+ yarders his first season is insane. Especially in an offense that nobody liked the play calling and the passing offense we mediocre at best.
20 other D1 programs thought Kalepo was worthy of a scholarship... including USC and Oregon... discounting him is nuts at this point in his career.
You've seen a freshman RB avg 4.3 YPC and get 10 TD's in his first go and you're not high on him?
Could be the dumbest take I've ever read.
Watch him in game one of 2009 against a defense full of 4 and 5* freaks and try to tell me you've seen the same from Newton as a second year player.
Newton is a good player. Some of us like to scout and project based on what we see, not just stats. You're doing it too. You just don't agree and are higher on him than me and some others. No big deal.
I don't care. Polk avg'd 1.7 yards per carry. 1.7... you want to say Newton doesn't have the potential after only seeing him as the 2nd running back? He scored 10 times and avg'd 4.3 yards per carry, a number reduced because he was utilized in a number of 3rd and short or goal line situations. He was never the feature back.
What's hilarious is you're evaluating Polk with hindsight... nobody on this board, or in Husky nation figured that Polk was going to evolve into what he did after '08... and you have no idea what Newton has the potential to evolve into either.
Thinking that what you saw his freshman year is all he has is ludicrous. Just a stupid, debby downer, typical HardcoreHusky, woe is me, take.
I'm sorry, but how anyone could look at Richard Newton and go "meh" after the effort he's put in this year is just nuts. -
You couldn't be more wrong. They all were. They all put up multiple 1000 yard seasons with high YPC, proved themselves as ball carriers and receivers, and went on to the NFL. Sankey was the first fucking RB drafted in his class.BroadcastingDawg said:
This isn't a response to you, more a response to the bigger picture.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Neither Ahmed or Newton is nearly as good as those guys. UW has never had guys that talented except for Napoleon and Dillon. Guys like Sheehee, Polk, Sankey, and Gaskin, are at the next level. And Ahmed is not even at that level. His closest analog is a guy you may not have heard of, Beno Bryant.backthepack said:I like Dick Newton. He’s just not good enough. Have you seen Jonathan Taylor, Travis Etienne, JK Dobbins, Clyde Edwards Helaire, De’Andre Swift, Najee Harris etc.?
You think bringing up 5 stars makes you a "high standards" hardcore evaluator, it doesn't. It's just a distraction from being able to assess actual UW personnel.
Newton and Ahmed each have serious limitations that make their games short of elite.
You know who else weren't elite... people talking shit about Freshman Richard Newton? Myles Gaskin, Chris Polk and Bishop Sankey.
All had their limitations. But were good college backs. None of those guys were elite. -
This was like the 7th best Oregon team in the previous decade, but sure this years edition was an Oregon “elite squad” and their “absolute best”.BroadcastingDawg said:
No, I actually believe that this year was just fluky and not a real indicator of our potential talent level and things to come.RoadDawg55 said:
It’s just an opinion on Kalepo. Great kid, not a very good football player. We could wait until he’s a junior to fork any opinion or we can use this board to give opinions, predictions, etc. It’s kind of the point of message boards. You seem more like a doogman type who needs “Go Dawgs” and nothing else.BroadcastingDawg said:
I really don't care... I see that Polk avg'd 1.7 yards on 20 carries his first go around. I see that Newton avg'd 4.3 and had 10 TD's... I think they are the same kind of back, bruisers who make their money carrying guys and breaking arm tackles. You really think people were high on Polk after '08? Difference is Newton has actually shown you something!AtomicDawg said:Whoosh on kalepo. But in reality he has a long way to go. Not very coordinated or quick in the feet.
Were you like 4 years old when Polk was a freshman? You do know he was injured vs BYU and didn’t play again that year and if he wasn’t as good as he was that would have been a redshirt year he would have filed for after his junior year.
If you think Polk and newton are the same type of back that is just wrong. Doesn’t mean newton is bad
I think Newton will eventually hit some long runs when he's settled into a starting role on this O. To just expect him to come out and burn guys for 50+ yarders his first season is insane. Especially in an offense that nobody liked the play calling and the passing offense we mediocre at best. Hitting on long runs is seldom just because the running back is fast, it takes catching the D in a bad set, effective blocking at multiple levels... opposing D's didn't respect our ability to pass it down the field all year and stacked the box to stop the run.
20 other D1 programs thought Kalepo was worthy of a scholarship... including USC and Oregon... discounting him is nuts at this point in his career.
1. Bad personnel choices at LB. UW plays a style of D that relies on fast, reliable diagnosis from the LB's and Wellington/Manu were just slow and couldn't tackle in space. You drop into coverage like we do... opposing offenses are going to try to beat you in the flat, and these 2 killed us. Yes, it was bad recruiting for a couple years at LB (not to mention Ale Kaho's situation fucking us)... so there's not a lot of excuse for that, but I believe that area is replenished and we should see a big step forward next year. Just a blip of bad play. Wellington was just never a linebacker, I even mentioned a few times years ago that I wanted to what we maybe had with him on offense.
2. Bad personnel choices at WR. And there is no excuse for this one. I was one of the most vocal making threads regarding Baccellia and Fuller through out the season. Bynum, Spiker and Nacua should have been starting over these clowns from day 1. I think there's a ton of reason to believe the offense is going to get way better. You can't pass down the field, you can't open up the running lanes like we wanted to see happen.
When all is said and done, The Huskies lost 4 Pac 12 games by less than one score in a season where Utah and Oregon were supposed to have their elite squads and we were far from it. If we were getting dominated, I'd be far less doogy.
That's why I'm not that worried. I think we've got the program and the players to dominate the Pac 12... because at Utah and Oregon's best, they weren't that good.
I just don't get all the negadawg attitude. If I'm a Doog, it doesn't make the other attitudes on this board realistic... they just sound petty. -
Yeah, because Oregon of today is nowhere near at the same level as Oregon of the Chip Kelly era.ntxduck said:
This was like the 7th best Oregon team in the previous decade, but sure this years edition was an Oregon “elite squad” and their “absolute best”.BroadcastingDawg said:
No, I actually believe that this year was just fluky and not a real indicator of our potential talent level and things to come.RoadDawg55 said:
It’s just an opinion on Kalepo. Great kid, not a very good football player. We could wait until he’s a junior to fork any opinion or we can use this board to give opinions, predictions, etc. It’s kind of the point of message boards. You seem more like a doogman type who needs “Go Dawgs” and nothing else.BroadcastingDawg said:
I really don't care... I see that Polk avg'd 1.7 yards on 20 carries his first go around. I see that Newton avg'd 4.3 and had 10 TD's... I think they are the same kind of back, bruisers who make their money carrying guys and breaking arm tackles. You really think people were high on Polk after '08? Difference is Newton has actually shown you something!AtomicDawg said:Whoosh on kalepo. But in reality he has a long way to go. Not very coordinated or quick in the feet.
Were you like 4 years old when Polk was a freshman? You do know he was injured vs BYU and didn’t play again that year and if he wasn’t as good as he was that would have been a redshirt year he would have filed for after his junior year.
If you think Polk and newton are the same type of back that is just wrong. Doesn’t mean newton is bad
I think Newton will eventually hit some long runs when he's settled into a starting role on this O. To just expect him to come out and burn guys for 50+ yarders his first season is insane. Especially in an offense that nobody liked the play calling and the passing offense we mediocre at best. Hitting on long runs is seldom just because the running back is fast, it takes catching the D in a bad set, effective blocking at multiple levels... opposing D's didn't respect our ability to pass it down the field all year and stacked the box to stop the run.
20 other D1 programs thought Kalepo was worthy of a scholarship... including USC and Oregon... discounting him is nuts at this point in his career.
1. Bad personnel choices at LB. UW plays a style of D that relies on fast, reliable diagnosis from the LB's and Wellington/Manu were just slow and couldn't tackle in space. You drop into coverage like we do... opposing offenses are going to try to beat you in the flat, and these 2 killed us. Yes, it was bad recruiting for a couple years at LB (not to mention Ale Kaho's situation fucking us)... so there's not a lot of excuse for that, but I believe that area is replenished and we should see a big step forward next year. Just a blip of bad play. Wellington was just never a linebacker, I even mentioned a few times years ago that I wanted to what we maybe had with him on offense.
2. Bad personnel choices at WR. And there is no excuse for this one. I was one of the most vocal making threads regarding Baccellia and Fuller through out the season. Bynum, Spiker and Nacua should have been starting over these clowns from day 1. I think there's a ton of reason to believe the offense is going to get way better. You can't pass down the field, you can't open up the running lanes like we wanted to see happen.
When all is said and done, The Huskies lost 4 Pac 12 games by less than one score in a season where Utah and Oregon were supposed to have their elite squads and we were far from it. If we were getting dominated, I'd be far less doogy.
That's why I'm not that worried. I think we've got the program and the players to dominate the Pac 12... because at Utah and Oregon's best, they weren't that good.
I just don't get all the negadawg attitude. If I'm a Doog, it doesn't make the other attitudes on this board realistic... they just sound petty.
It's a different measuring stick.
I'll fully admit that the Oregon that slaughtered UW for a decade was one of the top programs in football ever. The current era of Oregon football and their ceiling is nowhere near Chips. -
Original poster just gargled up the depth chart with no reason to read it ... fucktarded
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I’m with you. I think we will be good and the coaching errors can be fixed. The personnel choices did cost us at least two games. That should never happen.BroadcastingDawg said:
No, I actually believe that this year was just fluky and not a real indicator of our potential talent level and things to come.RoadDawg55 said:
It’s just an opinion on Kalepo. Great kid, not a very good football player. We could wait until he’s a junior to fork any opinion or we can use this board to give opinions, predictions, etc. It’s kind of the point of message boards. You seem more like a doogman type who needs “Go Dawgs” and nothing else.BroadcastingDawg said:
I really don't care... I see that Polk avg'd 1.7 yards on 20 carries his first go around. I see that Newton avg'd 4.3 and had 10 TD's... I think they are the same kind of back, bruisers who make their money carrying guys and breaking arm tackles. You really think people were high on Polk after '08? Difference is Newton has actually shown you something!AtomicDawg said:Whoosh on kalepo. But in reality he has a long way to go. Not very coordinated or quick in the feet.
Were you like 4 years old when Polk was a freshman? You do know he was injured vs BYU and didn’t play again that year and if he wasn’t as good as he was that would have been a redshirt year he would have filed for after his junior year.
If you think Polk and newton are the same type of back that is just wrong. Doesn’t mean newton is bad
I think Newton will eventually hit some long runs when he's settled into a starting role on this O. To just expect him to come out and burn guys for 50+ yarders his first season is insane. Especially in an offense that nobody liked the play calling and the passing offense we mediocre at best. Hitting on long runs is seldom just because the running back is fast, it takes catching the D in a bad set, effective blocking at multiple levels... opposing D's didn't respect our ability to pass it down the field all year and stacked the box to stop the run.
20 other D1 programs thought Kalepo was worthy of a scholarship... including USC and Oregon... discounting him is nuts at this point in his career.
1. Bad personnel choices at LB. UW plays a style of D that relies on fast, reliable diagnosis from the LB's and Wellington/Manu were just slow and couldn't tackle in space. You drop into coverage like we do... opposing offenses are going to try to beat you in the flat, and these 2 killed us. Yes, it was bad recruiting for a couple years at LB (not to mention Ale Kaho's situation fucking us)... so there's not a lot of excuse for that, but I believe that area is replenished and we should see a big step forward next year. Just a blip of bad play. Wellington was just never a linebacker, I even mentioned a few times years ago that I wanted to what we maybe had with him on offense.
2. Bad personnel choices at WR. And there is no excuse for this one. I was one of the most vocal making threads regarding Baccellia and Fuller through out the season. Bynum, Spiker and Nacua should have been starting over these clowns from day 1. I think there's a ton of reason to believe the offense is going to get way better. You can't pass down the field, you can't open up the running lanes like we wanted to see happen.
When all is said and done, The Huskies lost 4 Pac 12 games by less than one score in a season where Utah and Oregon were supposed to have their elite squads and we were far from it. If we were getting dominated, I'd be far less doogy.
That's why I'm not that worried. I think we've got the program and the players to dominate the Pac 12... because at Utah and Oregon's best, they weren't that good.
I just don't get all the negadawg attitude. If I'm a Doog, it doesn't make the other attitudes on this board realistic... they just sound petty.
Continuing to trot out Manu, Wellington, Baccallia, and Fuller when they weren’t producing was inexcusable. Wellington and Fuller should have both still played, but not every snap like they did for most the season. Manu and Baccallia were worthless. I haven’t seen a defensive player as bad as Manu since the Ty years. -
We literally start the year with a huge litmus testMikeDamone said:UW sucks until they don't. The line to bleaux Lake shouldn't start forming until he's actually coached a game.
So far it's feeling Sarkish. Michigan game will tell us more.
Everyone knows who Harbaugh is at this point. They are a program stick in 8-4 to 10-2 perpetuity under Harbaugh.
Measuring stick game right off the bat. If UW loses that game, at home, its going to put a huge damper on the year right off the bat
Big game we have to win and will probably lose
