Odds of Tre’Shaun Harrison transferring to UW?

I keep coming back to this thread for Silmaril hot talk and am continually let down.

NeGgaPlEaSe said:

backthepack said:

haie said:

Tequilla said:

backthepack said:

Tequilla said:

backthepack said:

Tequilla said:

backthepack said:

Tequilla said:

backthepack said:

Shut the fuck up Tequila...


So yeah Tre’shaun is coming to UW

For what?

Saying that academics matter at UW?

Hate to break it to you but it’s part of the culture of the football program and a really good optics item to maintaining strong support by upper campus

That may mean jack shit to you but it’s highly important

Win. Get talent who cares? That’s what the whole B4L shit is for anyways...

Yeah ... upper campus ain’t buying that logic

Don’t be confused that upper campus recognizes the advertising arm that athletics play for UW

But they want that advertising to be good press

They are massively adverse to bad press ... and it’s the fastest way for a high profile coach at UW to lose their job

Fuck off teq. You get a mix of kids. It’s not like every talented kid is an academic risk. You can take a few.


Stop being a fucking idiot

You should pay attention to what I said ...

I have ZERO ISSUE taking a mix of kids ... not everybody has to be on the top end of the academic spectrum

That doesn’t mean you sacrifice the fundamentals of the program and say fuck academics ... not going to happen

If you want a program that is going to be a win at all costs mentality you should go relook at a different program

No one is saying that though? You’ve created a strawman

Here’s what I’ve said in this thread that you are telling me to fuck off to ...

1) Education matters and is part of our program culture

2) We shouldn’t compromise focusing on education for a win at all costs mentality

3) We have tremendous educational support resources

4) We can be better at taking kids that are more of an academic risk and supporting them with our educational support infrastructure provided that those kids are invested in taking advantage of those opportunities

5) We should pass on kids that have no desire to play school as these kids have a high risk of compromising the program’s culture and high attrition risks

None of this should be that controversial

Education matters to those of us that received and used the education at UW. For the players just let them fake their Jackson School degrees and stop the bullshit

For football we should absolutely compromise our standards to get the athletes in.

We're some wishy washy in-between right now which is pathetic because we're not Stanford or Cal.

Our brand is vanilla shit at the moment which needs to change.

Fucking this.


Fuck ever being anything like Stanford

On field I love them, WGAF off field. When you were still ridding around in your daddy’s ball sack, Washington was once called mercenaries

By the Stanford coach.

Things losers who can't beat winners say.

Tequilla said:

haie said:

^ fucking doog that is willing to wait until Oregon becomes shitty on their own again so that UW can beat them with 3.2 tryharding.

If that is your take on what I’m saying then you need help

Some of you really need to look in the mirror at how stupid it sounds to suggest that to win at a high level requires compromising standards or values

JFC. Welcome back Tequilla.

RoadDawg55 said:

Changed my opinion. Bring him in. He has talent. He’s made some plays at FSU in a bad situation. Same age as Spiker and Osborne.

Agree with Teq that he might not be great, but if he progresses he might end up pretty good. Having a guy that can catch 30-40 passes a year and has big play potential is absolutely worth a scholly.

THIS! THERE WE GO ROADIE!

Neighbor2972 said:

Yeah like obviously a transfer receiver isn't guaranteed to fix all of our problems, he wouldn't be transferring otherwise. He's worth a shot, and if we get the attrition we are expecting we will have plenty of room.

Everybody always thinks that people are going to go pro or transfer out of the program

Most years people over-estimate the numbers

We will see after this weekend what we start hearing

My general sense is that any attrition allows for larger upcoming classes

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

It does no good to take a student athlete that will not be successful in the classroom at UW ... it’s essentially ensuring attrition

That said we have strong education support in place ... so we shouldn’t be passing on kids just because they need the support either

It’s a delicate line to walk ...

But if a kid essentially tells us he isn’t here to play school ... that’s largely a pass for me

Good lord. It's like you have no idea what the Washington I attended was like.

They are two different things entirely.

The last Rose Bowl winning team at Washington was loaded with kids who were not there to play school.

Washington started becoming soft the second they started acting like a poor man's Cal.

If you want to be elite in football, you have to be flexible on this point. There are great players who are good students and a whole bunch more who aren't.

Washington ain't gonna get them all, so you do the maff.

I was in school and knew a ton of people on that team ... so thanks for the history lesson

I’m not suggesting in any way that every player needs to be a Dean’s List candidate

What I am saying is that today’s UW isn’t going to look favorably of having news stories out there like Jerramy Stevens driving through people’s homes, guys running around assaulting people, or sexual assault. They also aren’t going to allow for any kind of narrative that suggests that players are being used for their athletic ability and that we don’t care about their education.

Basically, all the scummy shit that Oregon does are things we won’t do

Doogy doogy dooooooooooooooooo!!!

You are so naive it's not even funny.

UW didn't look favorably on those things back then either. Gerberding hated all the shit that was going on in the football program. Tad Foote III hated everything about Miami football. I'm sure that the University of Chicago educated president of the University of Oregon isn't exactly down with the shady side of big time football. All university presidents hate big time sports.

UW isn't special in this regard. You just tell yourself that because it makes you feel more important than someone who went to school at Oregon or WSU or Arizona. You're not.

But still ....

Never said that we treat it differently than a lot of other schools

Oregon has sold out to Nike ... that’s publicly written at this point

When UW has historically gotten out of balance in this regard, upper campus has made course corrections to recalibrate ... see Tyrone

In an attempt to help Teq.

UW doesn’t have the Upper campus infrastructure, support, or local culture to play the same dirty game better than other schools.

UW instead should play the game it can play the best.

I agree with the sentiment, even though it might not be entirely applicable in this situation.

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

It does no good to take a student athlete that will not be successful in the classroom at UW ... it’s essentially ensuring attrition

That said we have strong education support in place ... so we shouldn’t be passing on kids just because they need the support either

It’s a delicate line to walk ...

But if a kid essentially tells us he isn’t here to play school ... that’s largely a pass for me

Good lord. It's like you have no idea what the Washington I attended was like.

They are two different things entirely.

The last Rose Bowl winning team at Washington was loaded with kids who were not there to play school.

Washington started becoming soft the second they started acting like a poor man's Cal.

If you want to be elite in football, you have to be flexible on this point. There are great players who are good students and a whole bunch more who aren't.

Washington ain't gonna get them all, so you do the maff.

I was in school and knew a ton of people on that team ... so thanks for the history lesson

I’m not suggesting in any way that every player needs to be a Dean’s List candidate

What I am saying is that today’s UW isn’t going to look favorably of having news stories out there like Jerramy Stevens driving through people’s homes, guys running around assaulting people, or sexual assault. They also aren’t going to allow for any kind of narrative that suggests that players are being used for their athletic ability and that we don’t care about their education.

Basically, all the scummy shit that Oregon does are things we won’t do

Doogy doogy dooooooooooooooooo!!!

You are so naive it's not even funny.

UW didn't look favorably on those things back then either. Gerberding hated all the shit that was going on in the football program. Tad Foote III hated everything about Miami football. I'm sure that the University of Chicago educated president of the University of Oregon isn't exactly down with the shady side of big time football. All university presidents hate big time sports.

UW isn't special in this regard. You just tell yourself that because it makes you feel more important than someone who went to school at Oregon or WSU or Arizona. You're not.

But still ....

Never said that we treat it differently than a lot of other schools

Oregon has sold out to Nike ... that’s publicly written at this point

When UW has historically gotten out of balance in this regard, upper campus has made course corrections to recalibrate ... see Tyrone

What, exactly, does "sold out to Nike" mean? Are you suggesting that there's a secret pipeline of money going to recruits? This is the kind of line that amateurs like Kim Grinolds comes up with. Until someone establishes it, it's not real. It's made up doog. Like 99% of what you read on doogman.com

UW was almost always out of balance under Don James. Rick's teams had nothing on Jame's teams in that regard. They hired Tyrone because a lot of people, quite a lot, thought it would be good to finally hire an AA coach and because the narrative of "he took Stanford to a Rose Bowl", back when saying that meant something, was popular. Not because of any sense that the program needed cleaning up.

Washington has never run a choir boy program. Sure as shit not when they were good and expected to win in early January. You are confusing Washington with the service academies and Duke.

Houhusky said:

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

It does no good to take a student athlete that will not be successful in the classroom at UW ... it’s essentially ensuring attrition

That said we have strong education support in place ... so we shouldn’t be passing on kids just because they need the support either

It’s a delicate line to walk ...

But if a kid essentially tells us he isn’t here to play school ... that’s largely a pass for me

Good lord. It's like you have no idea what the Washington I attended was like.

They are two different things entirely.

The last Rose Bowl winning team at Washington was loaded with kids who were not there to play school.

Washington started becoming soft the second they started acting like a poor man's Cal.

If you want to be elite in football, you have to be flexible on this point. There are great players who are good students and a whole bunch more who aren't.

Washington ain't gonna get them all, so you do the maff.

I was in school and knew a ton of people on that team ... so thanks for the history lesson

I’m not suggesting in any way that every player needs to be a Dean’s List candidate

What I am saying is that today’s UW isn’t going to look favorably of having news stories out there like Jerramy Stevens driving through people’s homes, guys running around assaulting people, or sexual assault. They also aren’t going to allow for any kind of narrative that suggests that players are being used for their athletic ability and that we don’t care about their education.

Basically, all the scummy shit that Oregon does are things we won’t do

Doogy doogy dooooooooooooooooo!!!

You are so naive it's not even funny.

UW didn't look favorably on those things back then either. Gerberding hated all the shit that was going on in the football program. Tad Foote III hated everything about Miami football. I'm sure that the University of Chicago educated president of the University of Oregon isn't exactly down with the shady side of big time football. All university presidents hate big time sports.

UW isn't special in this regard. You just tell yourself that because it makes you feel more important than someone who went to school at Oregon or WSU or Arizona. You're not.

But still ....

Never said that we treat it differently than a lot of other schools

Oregon has sold out to Nike ... that’s publicly written at this point

When UW has historically gotten out of balance in this regard, upper campus has made course corrections to recalibrate ... see Tyrone

In an attempt to help Teq.

UW doesn’t have the Upper campus infrastructure, support, or local culture to play the same dirty game better than other schools.

UW instead should play the game it can play the best.

I agree with the sentiment, even though it might not be entirely applicable in this situation.

Honestly, with no sarcasm intended, I don't know what that means.

As I said, Don James had plenty of teams that would make Rick's 2000 team seem tame. UW was never Oklahoma in the 80s or Nebraska in the 90s, but few programs are. Oregon isn't and hasn't been either.

UW having some super conservative "Stanford-like" upper campus that gets in the way of being elite is a doog myth. A big one.

Yes, there has been friction with upper campus. It came to a head when James thought they hung him out to dry. But there had been years, YEARS, of "managing" the football program before and after that. When I was tutoring at the EOP, I would get the skinny about shit - a lot of shit - going on that never made its way to general knowledge. When it leaked and made a scandal, upper campus expressed faux outrage.

Happens at almost every school. Even Baylor.

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Houhusky said:

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

creepycoug said:

Tequilla said:

It does no good to take a student athlete that will not be successful in the classroom at UW ... it’s essentially ensuring attrition

That said we have strong education support in place ... so we shouldn’t be passing on kids just because they need the support either

It’s a delicate line to walk ...

But if a kid essentially tells us he isn’t here to play school ... that’s largely a pass for me

Good lord. It's like you have no idea what the Washington I attended was like.

They are two different things entirely.

The last Rose Bowl winning team at Washington was loaded with kids who were not there to play school.

Washington started becoming soft the second they started acting like a poor man's Cal.

If you want to be elite in football, you have to be flexible on this point. There are great players who are good students and a whole bunch more who aren't.

Washington ain't gonna get them all, so you do the maff.

I was in school and knew a ton of people on that team ... so thanks for the history lesson

I’m not suggesting in any way that every player needs to be a Dean’s List candidate

What I am saying is that today’s UW isn’t going to look favorably of having news stories out there like Jerramy Stevens driving through people’s homes, guys running around assaulting people, or sexual assault. They also aren’t going to allow for any kind of narrative that suggests that players are being used for their athletic ability and that we don’t care about their education.

Basically, all the scummy shit that Oregon does are things we won’t do

Doogy doogy dooooooooooooooooo!!!

You are so naive it's not even funny.

UW didn't look favorably on those things back then either. Gerberding hated all the shit that was going on in the football program. Tad Foote III hated everything about Miami football. I'm sure that the University of Chicago educated president of the University of Oregon isn't exactly down with the shady side of big time football. All university presidents hate big time sports.

UW isn't special in this regard. You just tell yourself that because it makes you feel more important than someone who went to school at Oregon or WSU or Arizona. You're not.

But still ....

Never said that we treat it differently than a lot of other schools

Oregon has sold out to Nike ... that’s publicly written at this point

When UW has historically gotten out of balance in this regard, upper campus has made course corrections to recalibrate ... see Tyrone

In an attempt to help Teq.

UW doesn’t have the Upper campus infrastructure, support, or local culture to play the same dirty game better than other schools.

UW instead should play the game it can play the best.

I agree with the sentiment, even though it might not be entirely applicable in this situation.

Honestly, with no sarcasm intended, I don't know what that means.

As I said, Don James had plenty of teams that would make Rick's 2000 team seem tame. UW was never Oklahoma in the 80s or Nebraska in the 90s, but few programs are. Oregon isn't and hasn't been either.

UW having some super conservative "Stanford-like" upper campus that gets in the way of being elite is a doog myth. A big one.

Yes, there has been friction with upper campus. It came to a head when James thought they hung him out to dry. But there had been years, YEARS, of "managing" the football program before and after that. When I was tutoring at the EOP, I would get the skinny about shit - a lot of shit - going on that never made its way to general knowledge. When it leaked and made a scandal, upper campus expressed faux outrage.

Happens at almost every school. Even Baylor.

You are proving my point

No shit a ton of stuff goes on in programs that never make it out publicly

But the stuff that does, upper campus isn’t going to like. The degree and frequency of that information is what gets a program in hot water.

As for Oregon, there was a WSJ or whatever article about them and the influence that Nike/Uncle Phil has on them. That’s what I’m referencing. It’s a disturbing article.

No, I'm proving my point, which is that your point is FS.

So how, exactly, is Washington unique in this regard? When something embarrassing and public happens, most school admins react the same way within a range depending on the part of the country the school is in. Chip Kelley himself threw Cliff Harris off the team for smoking weed and getting speeding tickets. Which was a FS move. Willie Fucking Taggard dismissed Darren Carrington, a player they could ill-afford to lose, for a DUI. Fuck outta here with this shit. You're talking out of your ass. It's an excuse to be mediocre. DJ battled with Gerbs his entire career. Nothing, at all, has changed.

I've seen a Washington assistant basketball coach, in a TV interview, make the claim that they couldn't pull in the same recruits that many other P12 schools can get because Washington academis are more rigorous. JFC. And people like you buy it hook, line and sinker.