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ThomasFremont
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Fucking loser
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A bit of an over-correction here, Freme.
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He might be like Pete, just another front running dude
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He has way better talent than Pete was ever able to attract.FireCohen said:He might be like Pete, just another front running dude
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I get the feeling Hop is gonna be a low ceiling, high floor kind of coach
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He can’t coach offense. Period. Look at the games since he’s been here, and tell me one thing that looks really good on offense...
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Clearly Hops offense was better when Ken Bone was on the staff. #bonersforlife
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Sounds like every other 2/3 team in cbb historybananasnblondes said:I get the feeling Hop is gonna be a low ceiling, high floor kind of coach
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Good thing hop plays a 4/1 zone, not a 2/3.ntxduck said:
Sounds like every other 2/3 team in cbb historybananasnblondes said:I get the feeling Hop is gonna be a low ceiling, high floor kind of coach
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Tomato tomatuh. You zone, you will give up open looks from 3. you run into a hot team from 3, you’re done. Not ideal when the championship is determined by a one and done format.2001400ex said:
Good thing hop plays a 4/1 zone, not a 2/3.ntxduck said:
Sounds like every other 2/3 team in cbb historybananasnblondes said:I get the feeling Hop is gonna be a low ceiling, high floor kind of coach
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I worry that this year our ceiling will be making the tournament as a 7-9 seed, 3rd or 4th in pac team. When we play our last conference game of the year, we will still hear shit like "this is a great team, they are just young and havent played together long enough. Then we have a massive dropoff next year when all our good players leave and are left with a team lead by Hameir Wright. At that point, we've lost any recruiting momentum and it's back to the routine of hoping to compete for a tournament spot every couple years
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That's why hop runs a 4/1 zone. The weakness isn't the 3 pointer. It's getting in the backside on the baseline. Oregon State and that fuckhead Tinkle are great at it. Few was the first this year to expose it against us. Stewart is great at defending it. But watch the zone, all 4 are up at the three point line trying to force the high post shot.ntxduck said:
Tomato tomatuh. You zone, you will give up open looks from 3. you run into a hot team from 3, you’re done. Not ideal when the championship is determined by a one and done format.2001400ex said:
Good thing hop plays a 4/1 zone, not a 2/3.ntxduck said:
Sounds like every other 2/3 team in cbb historybananasnblondes said:I get the feeling Hop is gonna be a low ceiling, high floor kind of coach
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Cosigned.ThomasFremont said:Fucking loser
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you guys are all losers
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Its not really a standard umbrella 4-1 either... Its really is its own amorphous system, even this year's zone is being different than last year.2001400ex said:
That's why hop runs a 4/1 zone. The weakness isn't the 3 pointer. It's getting in the backside on the baseline. Oregon State and that fuckhead Tinkle are great at it. Few was the first this year to expose it against us. Stewart is great at defending it. But watch the zone, all 4 are up at the three point line trying to force the high post shot.ntxduck said:
Tomato tomatuh. You zone, you will give up open looks from 3. you run into a hot team from 3, you’re done. Not ideal when the championship is determined by a one and done format.2001400ex said:
Good thing hop plays a 4/1 zone, not a 2/3.ntxduck said:
Sounds like every other 2/3 team in cbb historybananasnblondes said:I get the feeling Hop is gonna be a low ceiling, high floor kind of coach
When the ball is high in the middle its a tight 2-3
When the ball swings to the high wing its an augmented extended 1-3-1 where the top guard drops into the free throw line space
When the ball goes into the deep corner baseline we double trap
IMO the Zags being able to attack that backside baseline spot was a function of the wing defenders not playing the zone properly, not a function of the zone system itself. They regularly got caught way too high in an attempt to help the top guards and then were slow to drop into their proper lane (often too wide) after the "handoff" to the top guards occurred. -
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BUMP
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The honeymoon is over. We are wasting the best player since senior B Roy.
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Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home.
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Looks like Basnight was right.
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It's possible BOTH Romar and Hop suck.BleachedAnusDawg said:Looks like Basnight was right.
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Hop could only win with romar recruits
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I'm SHOCKED that we got fooled again
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Hop was in the round of 32 last year. LIPO another year
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He beat ball state guys. That’s a big win
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I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
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One and done isn’t the issue. No team in the country would say no to one year of Stewart, including us. Coaching and roster management are the problem. Hop should have worked harder to keep Davis from bouncing to Stanford. This team could use a top tier PG to run the show that’s actually played and can provide senior leadership. Take away the one and done players are we are even worse off. It’s not like we turned down some other super great 4 year college player to take McDaniels.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home. -
We would be terrible without them, especially Stewart. A tourney appearance and a win would appease most the fan base. We would have no shot at doing that without Stewart and McDaniels.ThomasFremont said:
One and done isn’t the issue. No team in the country would say no to one year of Stewart, including us. Coaching and roster management are the problem. Hop should have worked harder to keep Davis from bouncing to Stanford. This team could use a top tier PG to run the show that’s actually played and can provide senior leadership. Take away the one and done players are we are even worse off. It’s not like we turned down some other super great 4 year college player to take McDaniels.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home.
That said, one and dones hinder the growth of guys like Roberts and Bey that ideally would be around for four years. Guys get better by playing and being relied upon. If we don’t at least make the tournament and win a game or two, having Stewart and McDaniels was pointless and makes us no better off for having them, and probably even hurts a little bit. -
Yes.RaceBannon said:I'm SHOCKED that we got fooled again
Are we still sucking Jen's dick?
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Bey is getting minutes. And Timmins is taking Robert’s minutes.RoadDawg55 said:
We would be terrible without them, especially Stewart. A tourney appearance and a win would appease most the fan base. We would have no shot at doing that without Stewart and McDaniels.ThomasFremont said:
One and done isn’t the issue. No team in the country would say no to one year of Stewart, including us. Coaching and roster management are the problem. Hop should have worked harder to keep Davis from bouncing to Stanford. This team could use a top tier PG to run the show that’s actually played and can provide senior leadership. Take away the one and done players are we are even worse off. It’s not like we turned down some other super great 4 year college player to take McDaniels.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home.
That said, one and dones hinder the growth of guys like Roberts and Bey that ideally would be around for four years. Guys get better by playing and being relied upon. If we don’t at least make the tournament and win a game or two, having Stewart and McDaniels was pointless and makes us no better off for having them, and probably even hurts a little bit.
I’m not convinced Hop is developing anyone for shit.
Name a guy who’s gotten way better?
Timmins is slightly less of a shit show. I can’t name another... -
disagree. Timmins has badly regressed from last year.ThomasFremont said:
Bey is getting minutes. And Timmins is taking Robert’s minutes.RoadDawg55 said:
We would be terrible without them, especially Stewart. A tourney appearance and a win would appease most the fan base. We would have no shot at doing that without Stewart and McDaniels.ThomasFremont said:
One and done isn’t the issue. No team in the country would say no to one year of Stewart, including us. Coaching and roster management are the problem. Hop should have worked harder to keep Davis from bouncing to Stanford. This team could use a top tier PG to run the show that’s actually played and can provide senior leadership. Take away the one and done players are we are even worse off. It’s not like we turned down some other super great 4 year college player to take McDaniels.RoadDawg55 said:
I don’t think it’s a mirage but Thubulle helped. I think the zone isn’t great because of youth. I love Stewart but we aren’t a one and done type program. We need to build. We didn’t get enough good 3-4 year players in Hop’s first few years recruiting.ThomasFremont said:Hop’s zone is a mirage built on the greatest defensive player in program history. Tallest team ever can’t catch a rebound to save their lives.
The offensive woes were blamed on Romar recruits, but it turns out the Romar guys have been just as good as Hop’s guys.
3 McD’s AAs and we look like shit.
This was a BAD UCLA team. At home.
That said, one and dones hinder the growth of guys like Roberts and Bey that ideally would be around for four years. Guys get better by playing and being relied upon. If we don’t at least make the tournament and win a game or two, having Stewart and McDaniels was pointless and makes us no better off for having them, and probably even hurts a little bit.
I’m not convinced Hop is developing anyone for shit.
Name a guy who’s gotten way better?
Timmins is slightly less of a shit show. I can’t name another...
