Bush's never ending couch sale
Only UW is stupid enough to keep him for more than one year, and he's had 9 different stints in his 11 year coaching career. No one is fighting too hard to keep him around.
Why did he keep getting moved up? Has he shown anything? Or was it just the allure of a Petersen acolyte, the gesamtsportwerk coach?
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Wait, there’s a coaching title of “Offensive Quality Control”?????
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It’s what Saban calls of the recently fired head coaches he hiresDoog_de_Jour said:Wait, there’s a coaching title of “Offensive Quality Control”?????
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Try hard brown guy.BennyBeaver said:
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Hardcorehusky could use some quality controlNEsnake12 said:
It’s what Saban calls of the recently fired head coaches he hiresDoog_de_Jour said:Wait, there’s a coaching title of “Offensive Quality Control”?????
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Your crazy all but 2015 are promotions. The only weird thing is how he managed to land a promotion every year. Trying to turn that into a negative is the biggest twist of the year
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To be fair that resume looks like a lot of college football coach's resumes
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Affirmative Action
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I don't think most guys generally move up the ladder that fast.PostGameOrangeSlices said:To be fair that resume looks like a lot of college football coach's resumes
Dude's an OC at a major program at 33 without having skipped any steps to get there and already having coached 3/5 of the offensive position groups. It's not record time or anything but it's pretty rare for someone to have done all of that that early. -
He needs more time to get his reads down is that what you saying?dnc said:
I don't think most guys generally move up the ladder that fast.PostGameOrangeSlices said:To be fair that resume looks like a lot of college football coach's resumes
Dude's an OC at a major program at 33 without having skipped any steps to get there and already having coached 3/5 of the offensive position groups. It's not record time or anything but it's pretty rare for someone to have done all of that that early. -
You might notice in the original post I directly addressed that they were all promotions, but only UW promoted him internally. Ie, his current employer (excepting UW) always said "go ahead" when he told them he had another job offer.Bread said:Your crazy all but 2015 are promotions. The only weird thing is how he managed to land a promotion every year. Trying to turn that into a negative is the biggest twist of the year
Maybe you think HamMan is a killer coach; DDY and budz convinced a lot of people of that, so I wouldn't blame you. But personally I'm not seeing it, and with the benefit of hindsight, maybe that is borne out by the pattern of his constant change of scenery.
I then even mused as to why he kept getting promotions; I think it is more likely people think Pete has a secret sauce than they looked at Bush's personal accomplishments when deciding to hire him.
But, in the end, I hope we are again one of those employers that wishes him well in his future endeavors and lets someone else discover his true mettle. -
I think Hamdan got promoted over his head to "learn on the job" since it was Pete's offense that he was running anyways. He's been promoted over his head and is struggling. It happens all the tim. It happened to Pete Carroll. We just care about the results too much to let him fail until he gets enough experience to get it right.
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Look at Matt Ryan's between 2016-2018. The bookend years are nearly identical but there was a sharp dropoff in 2017, the lone year Bush was his QB coach. There's probably other factors at play and some of the blame falls on Sark the OC as well but it is still an indictment on Bush.
2016: 4944 yards, 38 TDs, 7 INTs, 69.9% comp rate
2017: 4095 yards, 20 TDs, 12 INTs, 64.7% comp rate
2018: 4924 yards, 35 TDs, 7 INts, 69.4% comp rate
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OTOH he had chincredible results as WR coach here in 2016. John Ross knew two routes and was so bad at the others that he sent to defense before Hamdan got here. Dante Pettis was JAG.Emoterman said:
You might notice in the original post I directly addressed that they were all promotions, but only UW promoted him internally. Ie, his current employer (excepting UW) always said "go ahead" when he told them he had another job offer.Bread said:Your crazy all but 2015 are promotions. The only weird thing is how he managed to land a promotion every year. Trying to turn that into a negative is the biggest twist of the year
Maybe you think HamMan is a killer coach; DDY and budz convinced a lot of people of that, so I wouldn't blame you. But personally I'm not seeing it, and with the benefit of hindsight, maybe that is borne out by the pattern of his constant change of scenery.
I then even mused as to why he kept getting promotions; I think it is more likely people think Pete has a secret sauce than they looked at Bush's personal accomplishments when deciding to hire him.
But, in the end, I hope we are again one of those employers that wishes him well in his future endeavors and lets someone else discover his true mettle.
Ross, Pettis and Chico all had their best seasons rather easily in their one season under Bush.
I don't see any evidence he can coach QBs or run an offense but that doesn't mean he can't coach. And I doubt very strongly teams were just letting him walk without fighting to keep him.
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That's what my big ape brain wants to do, and I thought what college football hobby boreds were all about.dnc said:
OTOH he had chincredible results as WR coach here in 2016. John Ross knew two routes and was so bad at the others that he sent to defense before Hamdan got here. Dante Pettis was JAG.Emoterman said:
You might notice in the original post I directly addressed that they were all promotions, but only UW promoted him internally. Ie, his current employer (excepting UW) always said "go ahead" when he told them he had another job offer.Bread said:Your crazy all but 2015 are promotions. The only weird thing is how he managed to land a promotion every year. Trying to turn that into a negative is the biggest twist of the year
Maybe you think HamMan is a killer coach; DDY and budz convinced a lot of people of that, so I wouldn't blame you. But personally I'm not seeing it, and with the benefit of hindsight, maybe that is borne out by the pattern of his constant change of scenery.
I then even mused as to why he kept getting promotions; I think it is more likely people think Pete has a secret sauce than they looked at Bush's personal accomplishments when deciding to hire him.
But, in the end, I hope we are again one of those employers that wishes him well in his future endeavors and lets someone else discover his true mettle.
Ross, Pettis and Chico all had their best seasons rather easily in their one season under Bush.
I don't see any evidence he can coach QBs or run an offense but that doesn't mean he can't coach. And I doubt very strongly teams were just letting him walk without fighting to keep him.
You're creating a narrative here.
I'm mostly ambivalent about his coaching ability, I'm too stupid to really assess it, and with all the confounding variables probably everyone else here is, too. I will admit I'm creating a narrative that supports my desired result of him being shown his walking papers, err, being promoted to OC/AHC at Davidson. -
This.dnc said:
OTOH he had chincredible results as WR coach here in 2016. John Ross knew two routes and was so bad at the others that he sent to defense before Hamdan got here. Dante Pettis was JAG.Emoterman said:
You might notice in the original post I directly addressed that they were all promotions, but only UW promoted him internally. Ie, his current employer (excepting UW) always said "go ahead" when he told them he had another job offer.Bread said:Your crazy all but 2015 are promotions. The only weird thing is how he managed to land a promotion every year. Trying to turn that into a negative is the biggest twist of the year
Maybe you think HamMan is a killer coach; DDY and budz convinced a lot of people of that, so I wouldn't blame you. But personally I'm not seeing it, and with the benefit of hindsight, maybe that is borne out by the pattern of his constant change of scenery.
I then even mused as to why he kept getting promotions; I think it is more likely people think Pete has a secret sauce than they looked at Bush's personal accomplishments when deciding to hire him.
But, in the end, I hope we are again one of those employers that wishes him well in his future endeavors and lets someone else discover his true mettle.
Ross, Pettis and Chico all had their best seasons rather easily in their one season under Bush.
I don't see any evidence he can coach QBs or run an offense but that doesn't mean he can't coach. And I doubt very strongly teams were just letting him walk without fighting to keep him.
You're creating a narrative here.
His tenure as UW receivers coach was too short to be 100% sure, but it sure as fuck looked to be going well.
His tenure as UWs OC and QB coach, plus his short stint at Atlanta, are enough. We know he sucks at both. There really shouldn't be a spot on the staff for him unless it's a demotion to WR and I'd prefer to see another year of Junior Adam's before that happened. -
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That's what my big ape brain wants to do, and I thought what college football hobby boreds were all about.dnc said:
OTOH he had chincredible results as WR coach here in 2016. John Ross knew two routes and was so bad at the others that he sent to defense before Hamdan got here. Dante Pettis was JAG.Emoterman said:
You might notice in the original post I directly addressed that they were all promotions, but only UW promoted him internally. Ie, his current employer (excepting UW) always said "go ahead" when he told them he had another job offer.Bread said:Your crazy all but 2015 are promotions. The only weird thing is how he managed to land a promotion every year. Trying to turn that into a negative is the biggest twist of the year
Maybe you think HamMan is a killer coach; DDY and budz convinced a lot of people of that, so I wouldn't blame you. But personally I'm not seeing it, and with the benefit of hindsight, maybe that is borne out by the pattern of his constant change of scenery.
I then even mused as to why he kept getting promotions; I think it is more likely people think Pete has a secret sauce than they looked at Bush's personal accomplishments when deciding to hire him.
But, in the end, I hope we are again one of those employers that wishes him well in his future endeavors and lets someone else discover his true mettle.
Ross, Pettis and Chico all had their best seasons rather easily in their one season under Bush.
I don't see any evidence he can coach QBs or run an offense but that doesn't mean he can't coach. And I doubt very strongly teams were just letting him walk without fighting to keep him.
You're creating a narrative here.
I'm mostly ambivalent about his coaching ability, I'm too stupid to really assess it, and with all the confounding variables probably everyone else here is, too. I will admit I'm creating a narrative that supports my desired result of him being shown his walking papers, err, being promoted to OC/AHC at Davidson. -
I would apply QC directorfor but I might be part of the problemDerekJohnson said:
Hardcorehusky could use some quality controlNEsnake12 said:
It’s what Saban calls of the recently fired head coaches he hiresDoog_de_Jour said:Wait, there’s a coaching title of “Offensive Quality Control”?????
edit: damn i am no good with onr arm in a sling. keep hitting wrong buttons - so much for QC -
I LOL’d when Sark called two reverses in the red zone, near the goal line—both failed. Atlanta fans LOVED Sarkinsinceredawg said:Look at Matt Ryan's between 2016-2018. The bookend years are nearly identical but there was a sharp dropoff in 2017, the lone year Bush was his QB coach. There's probably other factors at play and some of the blame falls on Sark the OC as well but it is still an indictment on Bush.
2016: 4944 yards, 38 TDs, 7 INTs, 69.9% comp rate
2017: 4095 yards, 20 TDs, 12 INTs, 64.7% comp rate
2018: 4924 yards, 35 TDs, 7 INts, 69.4% comp rate
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From what I’ve seen, he’s a way better WR’s coach than Junior Adams.
I think he’s a bad coordinator right now and wasn’t ready. He was also handcuffed by Pete. I want him fired, but I’m not sure he completely sucks.
He used to be fun loving until he was the OC. He probably needs to get away from UW and Pete. He still might be a good coach. -
Adams recruiting: B+RoadDawg55 said:From what I’ve seen, he’s a way better WR’s coach than Junior Adams.
I think he’s a bad coordinator right now and wasn’t ready. He was also handcuffed by Pete. I want him fired, but I’m not sure he completely sucks.
He used to be fun loving until he was the OC. He probably needs to get away from UW and Pete. He still might be a good coach.
Adams coaching: F
Coaching > recruiting
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Exactly. Smith was horrible, or not...RoadDawg55 said:From what I’ve seen, he’s a way better WR’s coach than Junior Adams.
I think he’s a bad coordinator right now and wasn’t ready. He was also handcuffed by Pete. I want him fired, but I’m not sure he completely sucks.
He used to be fun loving until he was the OC. He probably needs to get away from UW and Pete. He still might be a good coach. -
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I hate Hamdan but lower level assistants basically change colleges almost yearly
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Huh TB got better. I mean when your working with Baceilla and Fuller for the majority of the season...Houhusky said:
Adams recruiting: B+RoadDawg55 said:From what I’ve seen, he’s a way better WR’s coach than Junior Adams.
I think he’s a bad coordinator right now and wasn’t ready. He was also handcuffed by Pete. I want him fired, but I’m not sure he completely sucks.
He used to be fun loving until he was the OC. He probably needs to get away from UW and Pete. He still might be a good coach.
Adams coaching: F
Coaching > recruiting
Adams seat should be hot. -
He coaches the WR’s and his unit sucked more than any but ILB. He supposedly chose to play Fuller and Baccallia (not sure I agree). He sucks until he doesn’t.backthepack said:
Huh TB got better. I mean when your working with Baceilla and Fuller for the majority of the season...Houhusky said:
Adams recruiting: B+RoadDawg55 said:From what I’ve seen, he’s a way better WR’s coach than Junior Adams.
I think he’s a bad coordinator right now and wasn’t ready. He was also handcuffed by Pete. I want him fired, but I’m not sure he completely sucks.
He used to be fun loving until he was the OC. He probably needs to get away from UW and Pete. He still might be a good coach.
Adams coaching: F
Coaching > recruiting
Adams seat should be hot.
Ulofoshio got better too. You think Gregory is good now? -
Notice Fuller and Bacellia were both better with no WR coach as juniors than with Adams as a senior.backthepack said:
Huh TB got better. I mean when your working with Baceilla and Fuller for the majority of the season...Houhusky said:
Adams recruiting: B+RoadDawg55 said:From what I’ve seen, he’s a way better WR’s coach than Junior Adams.
I think he’s a bad coordinator right now and wasn’t ready. He was also handcuffed by Pete. I want him fired, but I’m not sure he completely sucks.
He used to be fun loving until he was the OC. He probably needs to get away from UW and Pete. He still might be a good coach.
Adams coaching: F
Coaching > recruiting
Adams seat should be hot.
Then ask yourself why?
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I think WR coach is something that’s overrated coaching wise anyways. Just get the fucking talent.
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I understand why needing to be well coached in the NFL matters, precise timing routes being necessary for passing to be consistently successful.backthepack said:I think WR coach is something that’s overrated coaching wise anyways. Just get the fucking talent.
But in college, just get physical monsters who can abuse the inferior DBs they face or are open because of coverage lapses regardless of the crispness of their route.
