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Our vital interest in the Ukraine
RaceBannon
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All these career types are whining about our vital interest in the Ukraine. Many of whom served under Obama
And yet where was all the wailing when Potemkin marched into the Crimea in 2014? I'm sure Linzy Graham and the rest criticized Obama for doing nothing but I thought Obama was at his best when he did nothing. I don't recall any impeachment effort for Obama not sending weapons.
I didn't want to go to war with Russia over the Ukraine. Anyone here want to?
Trump asked why Europe and the other neighbors didn't carry their load. He ran on not sending American money overseas to corrupt governments.
Sounds impeachable to me.
And yet where was all the wailing when Potemkin marched into the Crimea in 2014? I'm sure Linzy Graham and the rest criticized Obama for doing nothing but I thought Obama was at his best when he did nothing. I don't recall any impeachment effort for Obama not sending weapons.
I didn't want to go to war with Russia over the Ukraine. Anyone here want to?
Trump asked why Europe and the other neighbors didn't carry their load. He ran on not sending American money overseas to corrupt governments.
Sounds impeachable to me.
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Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense. -
AwesomeHHusky said:Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense.
Anyone want to discuss the matter at hand? H's daddy issues are acting up again -
The matter at hand being the EU having sent $12 billion in aid to our $3 billion. But Daddy was just concerned about Europe contributing to the effort.RaceBannon said:
AwesomeHHusky said:Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense.
Anyone want to discuss the matter at hand? H's daddy issues are acting up again -
That's what I voted for. What did Obama send?HHusky said:
The matter at hand being the EU having sent $12 billion in aid to our $3 billion. But Daddy was just concerned about Europe contributing to the effort.RaceBannon said:
AwesomeHHusky said:Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense.
Anyone want to discuss the matter at hand? H's daddy issues are acting up again
Its like Trump ran on Europe paying their fair share. Remember when Trump took shots at NATO? I do. And now Europe is paying more
Another win -
Brilliant response. They have provided aid...you should look into it:HHusky said:
The matter at hand being the EU having sent $12 billion in aid to our $3 billion. But Daddy was just concerned about Europe contributing to the effort.RaceBannon said:
AwesomeHHusky said:Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense.
Anyone want to discuss the matter at hand? H's daddy issues are acting up again
https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/02/27/eu-and-ukraine-taking-breath-pub-75648
To its credit, the EU reacted quickly to the Ukraine crisis of 2014 by allocating generous funding for macro-economic stabilization. Since then, the EU has mobilized 3.4 billion euros (over $4.2 billion) through three packages of macro-finance assistance (MFA) for Ukraine, of which 600 million euros are still on hold.
I'm waiting for the HondoFSBros to start calling for impeachment hearings across Europe now...
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The EU had sent four time as much as we had when he leveraged the aid to get the Ukrainians to announce an investigation into his political opponent. At this point, not even you believe these pathetic GOP defenses.RaceBannon said:
That's what I voted for. What did Obama send?HHusky said:
The matter at hand being the EU having sent $12 billion in aid to our $3 billion. But Daddy was just concerned about Europe contributing to the effort.RaceBannon said:
AwesomeHHusky said:Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense.
Anyone want to discuss the matter at hand? H's daddy issues are acting up again
Its like Trump ran on Europe paying their fair share. Remember when Trump took shots at NATO? I do. And now Europe is paying more
Another win -
There is nothing to defend. Its the policy I voted for and so did you because Obama did less than Trump when the Crimea was invadedHHusky said:
The EU had sent four time as much as we had when he leveraged the aid to get the Ukrainians to announce an investigation into his political opponent. At this point, not even you believe these pathetic GOP defenses.RaceBannon said:
That's what I voted for. What did Obama send?HHusky said:
The matter at hand being the EU having sent $12 billion in aid to our $3 billion. But Daddy was just concerned about Europe contributing to the effort.RaceBannon said:
AwesomeHHusky said:Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense.
Anyone want to discuss the matter at hand? H's daddy issues are acting up again
Its like Trump ran on Europe paying their fair share. Remember when Trump took shots at NATO? I do. And now Europe is paying more
Another win
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But not everything is relative; we should not slip into collective amnesia over the Obama administration’s weak and underwhelming response to Russian aggression. Throughout his presidency, Obama consistently underestimated the challenge posed by Putin’s regime. His foreign policy was firmly grounded in the premise that Russia was not a national security threat to the United States. In 2012, Obama disparaged Mitt Romney for exaggerating the Russian threat—“the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years,” Obama quipped. This breezy attitude prevailed even as Russia annexed Crimea, invaded eastern Ukraine, intervened in Syria, and hacked the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Obama’s response during these critical moments was cautious at best, and deeply misguided at worst. Even the imposition of sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine was accompanied by so much propitiation and restraint elsewhere that it didn’t deter Russia from subsequent aggression, including the risky 2016 influence operation in the United States. Obama, confident that history was on America’s side, for the duration of his time in office underestimated the damaging impact Russia could achieve through asymmetric means.
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I didn't vote "aid for dirt". I didn't even know it was on the ballot.RaceBannon said:
There is nothing to defend. Its the policy I voted for and so did you because Obama did less than Trump when the Crimea was invadedHHusky said:
The EU had sent four time as much as we had when he leveraged the aid to get the Ukrainians to announce an investigation into his political opponent. At this point, not even you believe these pathetic GOP defenses.RaceBannon said:
That's what I voted for. What did Obama send?HHusky said:
The matter at hand being the EU having sent $12 billion in aid to our $3 billion. But Daddy was just concerned about Europe contributing to the effort.RaceBannon said:
AwesomeHHusky said:Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense.
Anyone want to discuss the matter at hand? H's daddy issues are acting up again
Its like Trump ran on Europe paying their fair share. Remember when Trump took shots at NATO? I do. And now Europe is paying more
Another win -
And the white flagHHusky said:
I didn't vote "aid for dirt". I didn't even know it was on the ballot.RaceBannon said:
There is nothing to defend. Its the policy I voted for and so did you because Obama did less than Trump when the Crimea was invadedHHusky said:
The EU had sent four time as much as we had when he leveraged the aid to get the Ukrainians to announce an investigation into his political opponent. At this point, not even you believe these pathetic GOP defenses.RaceBannon said:
That's what I voted for. What did Obama send?HHusky said:
The matter at hand being the EU having sent $12 billion in aid to our $3 billion. But Daddy was just concerned about Europe contributing to the effort.RaceBannon said:
AwesomeHHusky said:Being terrible at the foreign policy thingy isn't impeachable.
Daddy's a fucking mobster. He's shitty at it, as Representative Jordan like to point out. But that's not a great defense.
Anyone want to discuss the matter at hand? H's daddy issues are acting up again
Its like Trump ran on Europe paying their fair share. Remember when Trump took shots at NATO? I do. And now Europe is paying more
Another win
Any adults want to take a stab at this or is it too tough?
