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Former Fed Chair Paul Volcker: ‘We’re in a Hell of a Mess’

Gwad
Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
https://fortune.com/2018/10/23/former-fed-chair-paul-volcker-were-in-a-hell-of-a-mess/

“The central issue is we’re developing into a plutocracy,” Volcker told the Times. “We’ve got an enormous number of enormously rich people that have convinced themselves that they’re rich because they’re smart and constructive. And they don’t like government, and they don’t like to pay taxes.”

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Gwad said:

    https://fortune.com/2018/10/23/former-fed-chair-paul-volcker-were-in-a-hell-of-a-mess/

    “The central issue is we’re developing into a plutocracy,” Volcker told the Times. “We’ve got an enormous number of enormously rich people that have convinced themselves that they’re rich because they’re smart and constructive. And they don’t like government, and they don’t like to pay taxes.”

    Most of the Billionaires I hear about all support higher taxes and the Rats.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,829 Founders Club
    People should get rich the old fashioned way - being a government lifer and collecting money from foreign countries

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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
  • Fenderbender123
    Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989
    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    You want to tax rich people make the corporate tax rate nominal and tax dividends as income.

    And watch all the lawyers scream...
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,829 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    Pathetic
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,829 Founders Club
    Kyle sounds like a loser
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter
    edited November 2019
    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    Weren't you just bragging about advantages buying your truck and on taxes because you flip burgers?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    Weren't you just bragging about advantages buying your truck and on taxes because you flip burgers?
    Yup I sure was. That's why I payer a lower tax rate than you as mall cop. Yes I'm actually advocating a system that would not benefit me personally.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    Pathetic
    I know, facts bother you.
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855

    Kyle sounds like a loser

    Proof it takes one to know one.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,829 Founders Club
    Gwad said:

    Kyle sounds like a loser

    Proof it takes one to know one.
    You did quote him so that checks out

    Do you covet your neighbor's wife too?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,829 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    Pathetic
    I know, facts bother you.
    Trump doesn't pay taxes? Facts?
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    It’s against the law to write of things for personal use.

    HTH
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,785 Swaye's Wigwam
    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    anybody can write off a yacht and an airplane if writing off personal shit is legal
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    LebamDawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    anybody can write off a yacht and an airplane if writing off personal shit is legal
    They are "business expenses". The bar isn't hard to get there.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    Pathetic
    I know, facts bother you.
    Trump doesn't pay taxes? Facts?
    You saw his previous tax return. Your eyes are as good as mine.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    2001400ex said:

    LebamDawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    anybody can write off a yacht and an airplane if writing off personal shit is legal
    They are "business expenses". The bar isn't hard to get there.
    Hondo is a tax cheat. Good to know
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited November 2019
    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    If this is true then the solution would be to lower the tax rate on the “non wealthy”.

    And in fact when tax credits such as the EITC and CTC, then tax rate is lowered substantially to the point of negative in many cases.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    LebamDawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    anybody can write off a yacht and an airplane if writing off personal shit is legal
    They are "business expenses". The bar isn't hard to get there.
    Hondo is a tax cheat. Good to know
    You don't read well. I didn't expect you to understand anyway.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited November 2019
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    LebamDawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    anybody can write off a yacht and an airplane if writing off personal shit is legal
    They are "business expenses". The bar isn't hard to get there.
    Hondo is a tax cheat. Good to know
    You don't read well. I didn't expect you to understand anyway.
    I read perfectly. You fudge your personal expenses as business expenses and are a tax cheat. I expect nothing less from a lying leftist like you.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    End the Fed

    “The Fed was largely responsible for converting what might have been a garden-variety recession, although perhaps a fairly severe one, into a major catastrophe. Instead of using its powers to offset the depression, it presided over a decline in the quantity of money by one-third from 1929 to 1933 … Far from the depression being a failure of the free-enterprise system, it was a tragic failure of government.”.—Milton Friedman , Two Lucky People, 233
    ^this

    Of course HondoBros think it was caused by “capitalism”
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,237 Founders Club

    End the Fed

    “The Fed was largely responsible for converting what might have been a garden-variety recession, although perhaps a fairly severe one, into a major catastrophe. Instead of using its powers to offset the depression, it presided over a decline in the quantity of money by one-third from 1929 to 1933 … Far from the depression being a failure of the free-enterprise system, it was a tragic failure of government.”.—Milton Friedman , Two Lucky People, 233
    ^this

    Of course HondoBros think it was caused by “capitalism”
    I actually like Volcker a lot and he did his country a great service, albeit with some short term misery to break the cycle of stagflation.

    I could get behind the idea though of ending the Fed and just going with some sort of formula like Friedman advocated to keep the supply of money flowing at the optimal amount. Obviously, in 1929 - 33 we should have opened the spigot.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    LebamDawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    anybody can write off a yacht and an airplane if writing off personal shit is legal
    They are "business expenses". The bar isn't hard to get there.
    Hondo is a tax cheat. Good to know
    You don't read well. I didn't expect you to understand anyway.
    I read perfectly. You fudge your personal expenses as business expenses and are a tax cheat. I expect nothing less from a lying leftist like you.
    Thanks for making my point little man.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    LebamDawg said:

    2001400ex said:

    I'm still waiting to see solid examples of rich people not paying taxes. All I ever see are intentionally misleading examples that play language games and/or examples that lack context to fit the narrative.

    See Trump, Donald.

    Also, most of the information is that wealthy people pay a lower tax rate. And they get to write off personal shit like airplanes and yatchs. So their taxable income is lower than it otherwise would be.
    anybody can write off a yacht and an airplane if writing off personal shit is legal
    They are "business expenses". The bar isn't hard to get there.
    Hondo is a tax cheat. Good to know
    You don't read well. I didn't expect you to understand anyway.
    I read perfectly. You fudge your personal expenses as business expenses and are a tax cheat. I expect nothing less from a lying leftist like you.
    Thanks for making my point little man.
    The point that you’re a tax cheat? Got it?

    Dip shit