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I'm hearing quid pro quo is out

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  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,689 Founders Club

    Hold on one cotton-picking minute there Slim. Can you show me 51 votes in the senate for a show trial? It’s more than plausible to expect Romney, Collins, Burr and Sasse to vote with the 47 dems for a REAL trial on the articles of impeachment.

    I knew Trumptards lose their shit over trump’s upcoming impeachment but I didn’t think it would such a meltdown after day 1.
    I have never cared What Mitt Romney or Susan Collins do. Don't much care now either. Takes a supermajority to convict. If you think you are going to find 20 RINOs to vote with that loser Romney, welp, good luck.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Swaye said:

    I read the transcript. I watched the hearings yesterday. I don;t give a shit what Fox news or MSNBC or anyone else tries to tell me. I can read. I can listen to questions and answers at a hearing. Unless there is something super explosive Shifforbrains has been holding out there is no there there. None. My eyes and brain see a charade. Fuck Fox News.
    Ok. What about when they get Mulvaney on the stand? And he gets asked why he said Trump was withholding aid? Would that change your opinion?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    When does the whistle blower testify?
    You answer my question and I'll answer yours. Deal?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,282 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    You answer my question and I'll answer yours. Deal?
    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Everyone knows the whistle blower since he started all this. You don't find it odd that he isn't going to testify? What a fucking partisan hack

    Feel free to show us the smoking gun that Mulvanny has
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,689 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Ok. What about when they get Mulvaney on the stand? And he gets asked why he said Trump was withholding aid? Would that change your opinion?
    If Mulvaney says "Trump told me he planned to withhold aid unless Ukraine investigated Hunter Biden's possible ties to corruption in an effort to hurt his fathers campaign," then yes, I will agree Trump stepped over the line. That's the standard. If you cannot PROVE Trump sought to bribe another country to specifically do damage to a potential political opponent then there is no there there. Doesn't matter what it looks like. Doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it. Can you prove it? So if Mulvaney says that, then yes I will agree Trump fucked up.

    So, I suppose this means if he doesn't say that then you will agree that Trump's methods, while unsavory (to you), did not rise to the level of impeachment?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Everyone knows the whistle blower since he started all this. You don't find it odd that he isn't going to testify? What a fucking partisan hack

    Feel free to show us the smoking gun that Mulvanny has
    Let’s revisit what he said during the briefing last Thursday. In response to a question from ABC’s Jon Karl about whether a “demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason that [Trump] ordered to withhold funding to Ukraine,” Mulvaney said this: “[T]he look-back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation. And that is absolutely appropriate.”

    “To be clear, what you described is a quid pro quo,” Karl pointed out. But Mulvaney was unbothered: “we do that all the time with foreign policy,” he said, confirming Karl’s characterization.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,689 Founders Club
    edited November 2019
    2001400ex said:

    Let’s revisit what he said during the briefing last Thursday. In response to a question from ABC’s Jon Karl about whether a “demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason that [Trump] ordered to withhold funding to Ukraine,” Mulvaney said this: “[T]he look-back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation. And that is absolutely appropriate.”

    “To be clear, what you described is a quid pro quo,” Karl pointed out. But Mulvaney was unbothered: “we do that all the time with foreign policy,” he said, confirming Karl’s characterization.
    That is not a smoking gun Hondo. That is Mulvaney saying yes Trump wanted corruption looked at before we give you more money you will waste on crony capitalism. That is NOT "Trump specifically withheld aid to try to damage Joe (fuck Hunter) Biden's campaign." Again, not how it looks (to some), but what you can prove.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,058 Swaye's Wigwam

    Who is investigating Trump?

    At least 4 of his opponents are in the Senate

    The DNC is investigating Trump

    Its not a crime

    But when the President does it it's a crime I'm hearing. Next thing you know we will find out Trump has had Biden wire tapped!
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Why the meltdown? I just asked what his response would be if questioned in the impeachment inquiry.
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,805 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    I have never cared What Mitt Romney or Susan Collins do. Don't much care now either. Takes a supermajority to convict. If you think you are going to find 20 RINOs to vote with that loser Romney, welp, good luck.
    Trump got elected, so winners win and all that. Romney would have been a better President rather easily. You still would have gotten all of your policy preferences with out all the baggage.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896
    Swaye said:

    That is not a smoking gun Hondo. That is Mulvaney saying yes Trump wanted corruption looked at before we give you more money you will waste on crony capitalism. That is NOT "Trump specifically withheld aid to try to damage Joe (fuck Hunter) Biden's campaign." Again, not how it looks (to some), but what you can prove.
    Why are you bothering to engage it?
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896

    Trump got elected, so winners win and all that. Romney would have been a better President rather easily. You still would have gotten all of your policy preferences with out all the baggage.
    Disagree. Romney is a prolapsed pussy.
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