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Fuck You, Fuck Me, Fuck Everybody

TequillaTequilla Member Posts: 20,010
It’s been a while since I’ve been this pissed after a game ... there are clearly numerous issues within the program that need to be rectified

A subpar season by a Pete isn’t enough to get him fired ...

But it is enough to erode a lot of the goodwill that has been built up
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,841

    Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 50-75 years when we are in your shoes.
    Seems like you may be leaking over another post? Thought you were better than that Stalin. I guess I was wrong.
  • NeGgaPlEaSeNeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,739

    You’re just now pissed? Everything you see was evident after game 1. Every. Single. One.

    This
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 66,565 Founders Club

    Seems like you may be leaking over another post? Thought you were better than that Stalin. I guess I was wrong.
    I didn't even realize you made the copypasta. I just wanted to make the tired old joke about Race's supposed age.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,841

    I didn't even realize you made the copypasta. I just wanted to make the tired old joke about Race's supposed age.
    All is forgiven.

    With kind regards,

    Leon Trotsky
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,841
    edited November 2019
    FWIW, all smart ass comments aside, I'm not entirely convinced of the "good will" line of reasoning. This is such a bottom line business that really nothing else matters besides winning. It's why I laff like an idiot hyena at the "OKG" shit; because nobody should GAF about it, and nobody really does. Winning fixes er'thing.

    I don't think the point you're trying to make is Ewatarded or anything. Don't twist. It's chintresting, but I'm not convinced it's an important thing. It sounds made up. Talk me into it, but before trying, consider how everyone around here fawned all over Pete's smart ass media retorts when Washington was winning this shitty little dreck conference. Nobody fucking cared, and in fact, they ate it up like fucking candy.

    Again, convince me. I'm listening. For real.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,841
    Tequilla said:

    When I talk about goodwill, it's how a string of good years often can lead to having a bad year explained away as being a massive outlier ... a "nothing to see here" type of situation.

    In some respects, Pete has found himself in this position with the results of the last 3 years. It's why for this year up until yesterday it was largely easy to explain away most of this year's disappointments. Cal was a strange game with some execution errors really coming back to haunt ... not to mention having a lead that you couldn't close on in the last 2 minutes. Against Oregon it was a game that could have gone either way with a handful of plays and youthful mistakes really being an issue. Stanford was a game that the entire team didn't show up to. A concerning element of the program has been that one of those games happens each year ... but by itself whatever. But everything came to a head yesterday against Utah. Getting to halftime up 1 was the worst the situation could have been. The mismanagement of the end of the half was giving Utah free points. Just poorly managed. The execution errors popping up all over the place. The lack of on-field leadership. Everything came to a head and did so in a way that it's painfully obvious to even the casual fan.

    Pete's not getting fired ... but what is he going to do about it. Is he going to give the same answers he's given all year? Is he going to run his staff back? Is he going to recognize he needs to adapt and change because the conference has caught up to him? The average fan (including myself) can't tell you how to run a program ... but what we can say is that we know from experience that insanity is doing the same thing over and over without change.

    I think to what kind of goodwill Mark Helfrich built up at Oregon after getting to a national title game. Then within a few years, things get hard and challenging with no answers to address. That goodwill got eroded and it went from "we know what you're capable of" to "we don't think you can do it again."

    Ultimately, it is a "what have you done with me business" ... results matter. They will always matter.

    The thing with Pete that really concerns me at this point is how rigid he is in talking about process. Process matters ... I 100% get that and am a believer in it. But at the same time results matter as well. Excellent process is the foundation to delivering exceptional results. When you don't have the results though, it's fair to start questioning the process. It's just a little too much head in the sand to say that the results are unlucky and the solution is to double down on the process.
    I got it. Ok, you flipped me.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,405

    I got it. Ok, you flipped me.
    lulz
  • MeekMeek Member Posts: 7,031
    edited November 2019

    FWIW, all smart ass comments aside, I'm not entirely convinced of the "good will" line of reasoning. This is such a bottom line business that really nothing else matters besides winning. It's why I laff like an idiot hyena at the "OKG" shit; because nobody should GAF about it, and nobody really does. Winning fixes er'thing.

    I don't think the point you're trying to make is Ewatarded or anything. Don't twist. It's chintresting, but I'm not convinced it's an important thing. It sounds made up. Talk me into it, but before trying, consider how everyone around here fawned all over Pete's smart ass media retorts when Washington was winning this shitty little dreck conference. Nobody fucking cared, and in fact, they ate it up like fucking candy.

    Again, convince me. I'm listening. For real.

    so... again, what I said was that Pete has eliminated all goodwill (hates the media, doesn't like the game times, has turned our relationship with ESPN into one where ESPN will literally avoid mentioning us at all costs unless it means they can call us overrated) and it doesn't matter when you win...however, when you don't win then everyone bails on you because you haven't established any emotional relationship...it's actually just branding 101. Pete wants our brand to stand on its own but it doesn't work that way. Every great brand has a strategy that involves a little more than just saying fuck you to everyone and hoping they love you because you're you.

    It has nothing to do with did we win or not but it has a lot to do with what happens in between the wins and losses (selection to CFP, bowl games, what game times you get, how much free pub you get on College Football Live or even Cowherd, etc.)... When we don't win 11+ nobody remembers your name.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,841
    Meek said:

    so... again, what I said was that Pete has eliminated all goodwill (hates the media, doesn't like the game times, has turned our relationship with ESPN into one where ESPN will literally avoid mentioning us at all costs unless it means they can call us overrated) and it doesn't matter when you win...however, when you don't win then everyone bails on you because you haven't established any emotional relationship...it's actually just branding 101. Pete wants our brand to stand on its own but it doesn't work that way. Every great brand has a strategy that involves a little more than just saying fuck you to everyone and hoping they love you because you're you.

    It has nothing to do with did we win or not but it has a lot to do with what happens in between the wins and losses (selection to CFP, bowl games, what game times you get, how much free pub you get on College Football Live or even Cowherd, etc.)... When we don't win 11+ nobody remembers your name.
    So you're saying all of Crisco's coach speak and faux politieness makes him smarter than Pete?

    Has @haie been informed of this?
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,941 Swaye's Wigwam

    So you're saying all of Crisco's coach speak and faux politieness makes him smarter than Pete?

    Has @haie been informed of this?
    If you're expecting me to defend Pete in any way here you're wasting your time. Fuck the Mountain West. Schools and coaches alike.

    Meat is still Meat until he backs his shit up and either

    1) puts together a string of multiple conferences. Hasn't even beat Utah yet.

    2) Beats a BIG DICK sec team like he claims he's destined to.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,841
    haie said:

    If you're expecting me to defend Pete in any way here you're wasting your time. Fuck the Mountain West. Schools and coaches alike.

    Meat is still Meat until he backs his shit up and either

    1) puts together a string of multiple conferences. Hasn't even beat Utah yet.

    2) Beats a BIG DICK sec team like he claims he's destined to.
    OK!
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