Petersen only won with
If this is leveling up then let's get down instead
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Last year wasn’t Sark players, but still.
Qb guru status and soft OL. At least Neu was smart enough to run option with Tui. -
I just want to see the world burnPurpleJ said:Last year wasn’t Sark players, but still.
Qb guru status and soft OL. At least Neu was smart enough to run option with Tui. -
My favorite play of all time is a 3rd and 3 option, Eason QB keeper.
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Pickett committed to Lambright originally. He reconfirmed to Neu.
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You know your program is doomed when your Lawyer Coach shows more humility than your Life Coach.
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We've leveled-up with the players. Now we just need to level up with the gameday coaching.RaceBannon said:Sark players
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Well Sark didnt win with his own players so Peterson has that on Sark!
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I honestly don’t disagreeRaceBannon said:Sark players
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Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in. -
We over achieved bigly in 2016- 18 based on recruiting. 2019 is our first underachieving year.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
2016
1st in PAC; #4 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2012- 16 Classes- #6
2017
Tied for 2nd in PAC; #15 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2013- 17 Classes- #6
2018
1st in PAC; #13 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #20 Nationally; #4 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2014- 18 Classes- #4
2019
247 College Team Composite - #19 Nationally; #3 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2015- 19 Classes- #4 -
Agree. The analogy to Rick winning Lambo's players just doesn't work very well here. 2016 was heavily filled with Pete's guys. 2017- 18 were pretty much all Pete guys.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
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The analogy didn't work with Rick either. That's the jokeYellowSnow said:
Agree. The analogy to Rick winning Lambo's players just doesn't work very well here. 2016 was heavily filled with Pete's guys. 2017- 18 were pretty much all Pete guys.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
The best of the new talent is either on the bench or coming in next spring and fall.
The recruiting gaps have us relying on youngsters to play positions where adults do better like the front 7 on defense. And playing guys that should have hit the portal already when replaced by better players
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Absolutely. I know only losers talk about recruiting, but the fact of the matter is that the 2016 (6th in PAC) and 2017 (5th in PAC) classes weren't good enough in key positions. I thought we could throw some duck tape on it, but it hasn't worked out.RaceBannon said:
The analogy didn't work with Rick either. That's the jokeYellowSnow said:
Agree. The analogy to Rick winning Lambo's players just doesn't work very well here. 2016 was heavily filled with Pete's guys. 2017- 18 were pretty much all Pete guys.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
The best of the new talent is either on the bench or coming in next spring and fall.
The recruiting gaps have us relying on youngsters to play positions where adults do better like the front 7 on defense. And playing guys that should have hit the portal already when replaced by better players
This has been Pete's team since 2016 and good or bad it belongs to him -
Pete lost his balls and edge on those boat rides on montlake. His Boise teams were tough dirty fuckers. This team is soft and weak
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Spot on. The recruiting gaps have fucked UW so hard and it's definitely all on Pete. Aside from the in game fuck ups, what has been the biggest holes on the team that have cost us games?RaceBannon said:
The analogy didn't work with Rick either. That's the jokeYellowSnow said:
Agree. The analogy to Rick winning Lambo's players just doesn't work very well here. 2016 was heavily filled with Pete's guys. 2017- 18 were pretty much all Pete guys.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
The best of the new talent is either on the bench or coming in next spring and fall.
The recruiting gaps have us relying on youngsters to play positions where adults do better like the front 7 on defense. And playing guys that should have hit the portal already when replaced by better players
This has been Pete's team since 2016 and good or bad it belongs to him
- Veteran WR who can't get open and catch balls. Leaving us screaming for the young guys to get in, but where are the Juniors? And the only Sophomore has FINALLY gotten some run and looks awesome.
- Veteran ILB who fill the wrong gaps, get washed out, don't know their run fits, and miss tackles. Leaving us screaming for the young guys to get in, but where are the Juniors and the Sophomores? The only guys left are fucking Freshman. You should never rely on Freshman to win. You play Freshman because they are so fucking good you can't keep them off the field.
This chart tells all you need to know, just look at those two positions and you'll see the fuckups. You shouldn't have 2 Upperclassmen ILB and 6 Freshmen. You shouldn't have 3 Upperclassmen DL and 8 Freshmen. And you shouldn't have 4 Upperclassmen WR who are all 5'10" or under and play the exact same game and drop fucking balls..
Also, you'll note that of the 44 Blue Chips for the 2019 Season, 27 are RS Frosh and True Frosh combined.
Just 2 Sophomores, 11 more Juniors, 4 Seniors. So not only is the majority of the high end "talent" young, there are major gaps in years of where it is dispersed.
And yes I know that not all talent comes from just Blue Chips, because a lot of our 3 stars like Harris, Kirkland, Otton, etc. have balled out anyway. I'm just highlighting the recruiting gaps and inconsistencies from Pete and Co.
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We knew these dark times were coming. If you didn't you were dooging it up during the off season.
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Sad truth of the matter is that BOTH coaching and recruiting are critical. Too many 2016 and 17 holes + some coaching gaffes will get you 4 losses in a hurry.DoogCourics said:
Spot on. The recruiting gaps have fucked UW so hard and it's definitely all on Pete. Aside from the in game fuck ups, what has been the biggest holes on the team that have cost us games?RaceBannon said:
The analogy didn't work with Rick either. That's the jokeYellowSnow said:
Agree. The analogy to Rick winning Lambo's players just doesn't work very well here. 2016 was heavily filled with Pete's guys. 2017- 18 were pretty much all Pete guys.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
The best of the new talent is either on the bench or coming in next spring and fall.
The recruiting gaps have us relying on youngsters to play positions where adults do better like the front 7 on defense. And playing guys that should have hit the portal already when replaced by better players
This has been Pete's team since 2016 and good or bad it belongs to him
- Veteran WR who can't get open and catch balls. Leaving us screaming for the young guys to get in, but where are the Juniors? And the only Sophomore has FINALLY gotten some run and looks awesome.
- Veteran ILB who fill the wrong gaps, get washed out, don't know their run fits, and miss tackles. Leaving us screaming for the young guys to get in, but where are the Juniors and the Sophomores? The only guys left are fucking Freshman. You should never rely on Freshman to win. You play Freshman because they are so fucking good you can't keep them off the field.
This chart tells all you need to know, just look at those two positions and you'll see the fuckups. You shouldn't have 2 Upperclassmen ILB and 6 Freshmen. You shouldn't have 3 Upperclassmen DL and 8 Freshmen. And you shouldn't have 4 Upperclassmen WR who are all 5'10" or under and play the exact same game and drop fucking balls..
Also, you'll note that of the 44 Blue Chips for the 2019 Season, 27 are RS Frosh and True Frosh combined.
Just 2 Sophomores, 11 more Juniors, 4 Seniors. So not only is the majority of the high end "talent" young, there are major gaps in years of where it is dispersed.
And yes I know that not all talent comes from just Blue Chips, because a lot of our 3 stars like Harris, Kirkland, Otton, etc. have balled out anyway. I'm just highlighting the recruiting gaps and inconsistencies from Pete and Co. -
Quite a bit was made of UW producing NFL talent like few teams but Bama, Clemson, tOSU, Oklahoma. It was and I assume still is a program selling point.
Now, how much is actually development and how much is us getting lucky with players who were better than initially evaluated is another debate, but clearly if you're going to pump players into the league like Bama you need to be replacing them like Bama. It has to be a constant focus. You can't fucking take an Incomplete at multiple positions for multiple years. And the better-than-your-competitors development has to continue.
...Then contrast that with Pete liking to take the spring off recruiting to focus on the team. Or just in general - maybe he truly loves it but the impression he gives off is that recruiting is a PITA for him. And it doesn't take failing long to erode that "UW develops players into NFL picks" perception.
If your selling point is that you have a clean program that will develop PSAs as well or better than anyone else, then you have to follow through or get coaches who will.
Pete, open yourself to real change to your system and comfort zone, and make necessary changes to your staff, or GTFO. No more excuses. -
I think the better you do as a team in the previous seasons, the better the players are ranked.YellowSnow said:
We over achieved bigly in 2016- 18 based on recruiting. 2019 is our first underachieving year.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
2016
1st in PAC; #4 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2012- 16 Classes- #6
2017
Tied for 2nd in PAC; #15 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2013- 17 Classes- #6
2018
1st in PAC; #13 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #20 Nationally; #4 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2014- 18 Classes- #4
2019
247 College Team Composite - #19 Nationally; #3 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2015- 19 Classes- #4
A player that commits to Alabama is going to be a four or five star. That same player with the same ability that commits to Kentucky gets rated lower.
We were really good in 2016 so we got slight inflations for our future players. It’s just a theory, but I’ve thought it to be true for awhile. -
This seems plausible.RoadDawg55 said:
I think the better you do as a team in the previous seasons, the better the players are ranked.YellowSnow said:
We over achieved bigly in 2016- 18 based on recruiting. 2019 is our first underachieving year.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
2016
1st in PAC; #4 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2012- 16 Classes- #6
2017
Tied for 2nd in PAC; #15 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2013- 17 Classes- #6
2018
1st in PAC; #13 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #20 Nationally; #4 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2014- 18 Classes- #4
2019
247 College Team Composite - #19 Nationally; #3 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2015- 19 Classes- #4
A player that commits to Alabama is going to be a four or five star. That same player with the same ability that commits to Kentucky gets rated lower.
We were really good in 2016 so we got slight inflations for our future players. It’s just a theory, but I’ve thought it to be true for awhile. -
It’s a business and 247 has to cater to the programs that bring in the most money. It also makes sense to think a guy is really good if Ohio State or Alabama wants them.YellowSnow said:
This seems plausible.RoadDawg55 said:
I think the better you do as a team in the previous seasons, the better the players are ranked.YellowSnow said:
We over achieved bigly in 2016- 18 based on recruiting. 2019 is our first underachieving year.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
2016
1st in PAC; #4 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2012- 16 Classes- #6
2017
Tied for 2nd in PAC; #15 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2013- 17 Classes- #6
2018
1st in PAC; #13 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #20 Nationally; #4 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2014- 18 Classes- #4
2019
247 College Team Composite - #19 Nationally; #3 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2015- 19 Classes- #4
A player that commits to Alabama is going to be a four or five star. That same player with the same ability that commits to Kentucky gets rated lower.
We were really good in 2016 so we got slight inflations for our future players. It’s just a theory, but I’ve thought it to be true for awhile.
When Michigan State had a good 3 year with a couple of BCS bowl wins and a playoff appearance, their recruits were rated much higher. They ended up sucking. It’s why I don’t really get caught up in the ratings after the elite guys.
It’s easy to think, “look what we did with all these 3 stars, imagine once we start getting more 4 and 5 stars.” It rarely works out that way. -
We are, however, getting guys now in the past few classes with way more impressive offer lists than Pete's first four of five classes, right?RoadDawg55 said:
It’s a business and 247 has to cater to the programs that bring in the most money. It also makes sense to think a guy is really good if Ohio State or Alabama wants them.YellowSnow said:
This seems plausible.RoadDawg55 said:
I think the better you do as a team in the previous seasons, the better the players are ranked.YellowSnow said:
We over achieved bigly in 2016- 18 based on recruiting. 2019 is our first underachieving year.RoadDawg55 said:Down year. Our overall talent and depth is better than Sark’s.
There were really only a handful of Sark players that did anything in 2016. Victor, Bierria, Qualls, and Eldrenkamp.
The leveling up stuff was always bullshit. We are a top 10-20 team in recruiting. We are underachieving. The talent has only been part of the problem. Pete’s had a horrible year as the coach. I think there has been some complacency that has set in.
2016
1st in PAC; #4 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2012- 16 Classes- #6
2017
Tied for 2nd in PAC; #15 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #24 Nationally; #6 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2013- 17 Classes- #6
2018
1st in PAC; #13 Final Ranking
247 College Team Composite - #20 Nationally; #4 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2014- 18 Classes- #4
2019
247 College Team Composite - #19 Nationally; #3 in PAC
Average Rank in PAC of 2015- 19 Classes- #4
A player that commits to Alabama is going to be a four or five star. That same player with the same ability that commits to Kentucky gets rated lower.
We were really good in 2016 so we got slight inflations for our future players. It’s just a theory, but I’ve thought it to be true for awhile.
When Michigan State had a good 3 year with a couple of BCS bowl wins and a playoff appearance, their recruits were rated much higher. They ended up sucking. It’s why I don’t really get caught up in the ratings after the elite guys.
It’s easy to think, “look what we did with all these 3 stars, imagine once we start getting more 4 and 5 stars.” It rarely works out that way. -
I think it's easy to conflate 4 star recruits with 5 star recruits, which you shouldn't do. If you are one of the top players at your position in football or basketball out of high school, you are much more likely to be a star player at your position in college. But outside of the top 30 players or so, it gets murkier. Alabama and Clemson are so dominant right now, in part, because they are getting the best of the best recruits. See Duke, Kentucky, and UNC in hoops as well.
But I also agree that stars don't mean much for a program like UW because we? aren't going to get the top 5 star guys at every position. That makes finding players that fit the way you play so important (ie, chip at oregon).
3 star dudes can be fucking studs. There are more of them than 5 stars, which means they can also be slow, steaming piles of shit (see, Manu, Kyler).
Therefore, you better have good coaches that know the difference between a shiny turd pretending to be gold and the real thing (obligatory fire gregory sentiment).
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Guilty as charged... def won't make that mistake againGwad said:We knew these dark times were coming. If you didn't you were dooging it up during the off season.
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don't forget about the fancy coffeeFirePete said:Pete lost his balls and edge on those boat rides on montlake. His Boise teams were tough dirty fuckers. This team is soft and weak
