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CA Wildfires
Bendintheriver
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To those living in CA, I am curious what the perspective is. Now that CA has sued PG&E into bankruptcy and is going to force them into a worsening financial situation which will probably accelerate their complete demise even more rapidly, what is the end game? Was the lawsuit a good thing? Bad thing?
The power outages seem necessary (or not) due to wildfires being ignited due to high winds. Going underground for all of PG&E's territory is not going to happen due to expense. Solar and wind aren't going to drastically help any time soon. PG&E is a publicly funded utility, there is going to be no money for anything that has to do with improving infrastructure.
What is the states plan? Is there one? It seems to me that this is that rock and a hard place.
The power outages seem necessary (or not) due to wildfires being ignited due to high winds. Going underground for all of PG&E's territory is not going to happen due to expense. Solar and wind aren't going to drastically help any time soon. PG&E is a publicly funded utility, there is going to be no money for anything that has to do with improving infrastructure.
What is the states plan? Is there one? It seems to me that this is that rock and a hard place.
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A couple of years ago the leftard Cali legislature actually passed some common sense legislation that allowed for more tree and brush line clearing. Of course, governor moonbeam vetoed it. From illegal immigration, to energy policy to plastic straws and homelessness the state plan is to encourage destruction.
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The Governor is looking into it. @CirrhosisDawg and I will wait to believe whatever he tells us
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Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
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Yes, and he is very mad. And this isn't the new normal and it's totally unacceptable.RaceBannon said:The Governor is looking into it. @CirrhosisDawg and I will wait to believe whatever he tells us
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What would we do for a village idiot on HH while Bob is pissing on wildfires?Alexis said:Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
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Hondo I thought you told us that bums shitting and pissing in the streets was just a right wing, Fox News myth designed to make liberal cities look bad.2001400ex said:
What would we do for a village idiot on HH while Bob is pissing on wildfires?Alexis said:Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
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You don't read well. Like I said, you are the HH village idiot.SFGbob said:
Hondo I thought you told us that bums shitting and pissing in the streets was just a right wing, Fox News myth designed to make liberal cities look bad.2001400ex said:
What would we do for a village idiot on HH while Bob is pissing on wildfires?Alexis said:Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
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Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
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If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true. -
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true. -
Actually, I read very well, you're just a fucking liar Hondo.2001400ex said:
You don't read well. Like I said, you are the HH village idiot.SFGbob said:
Hondo I thought you told us that bums shitting and pissing in the streets was just a right wing, Fox News myth designed to make liberal cities look bad.2001400ex said:
What would we do for a village idiot on HH while Bob is pissing on wildfires?Alexis said:Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
I'm not saying it's not a problem. I'm saying it's being greatly exaggerated by your media to try to tear down two successful cities and paint liberalism as evil. If you can't see that, I got some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.
Hondo claims that thousands of people living and shitting in the streets in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle are just an exaggeration by the right-wing media in order to make liberalism look bad.
Which is pretty much exactly what I claimed you had done Hondo.
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Bob pulls quotes out of context again. Idiot. What I stated is true. Go to Dallas Texas, a liberal hotbed right? Do you think there is no homeless or people who shit in the streets there?SFGbob said:
Actually, I read very well, you're just a fucking liar Hondo.2001400ex said:
You don't read well. Like I said, you are the HH village idiot.SFGbob said:
Hondo I thought you told us that bums shitting and pissing in the streets was just a right wing, Fox News myth designed to make liberal cities look bad.2001400ex said:
What would we do for a village idiot on HH while Bob is pissing on wildfires?Alexis said:Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
I'm not saying it's not a problem. I'm saying it's being greatly exaggerated by your media to try to tear down two successful cities and paint liberalism as evil. If you can't see that, I got some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.
Hondo claims that thousands of people living and shitting in the streets in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle is just and exaggeration by right-wing media in order to make liberalism look bad.
Which is pretty much exactly what I claimed you had done Hondo. -
Austin and Dallas and Houston are all run by liberals Hondo. And yes while there is a homeless problem in all of those cities its nowhere near as bad as it is in SF, LA and Seattle.2001400ex said:
Bob pulls quotes out of context again. Idiot. What I stated is true. Go to Dallas Texas, a liberal hotbed right? Do you think there is no homeless or people who shit in the streets there?SFGbob said:
Actually, I read very well, you're just a fucking liar Hondo.2001400ex said:
You don't read well. Like I said, you are the HH village idiot.SFGbob said:
Hondo I thought you told us that bums shitting and pissing in the streets was just a right wing, Fox News myth designed to make liberal cities look bad.2001400ex said:
What would we do for a village idiot on HH while Bob is pissing on wildfires?Alexis said:Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
I'm not saying it's not a problem. I'm saying it's being greatly exaggerated by your media to try to tear down two successful cities and paint liberalism as evil. If you can't see that, I got some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.
Hondo claims that thousands of people living and shitting in the streets in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle is just and exaggeration by right-wing media in order to make liberalism look bad.
Which is pretty much exactly what I claimed you had done Hondo.
Btw, your claim was that it isn't really much of problem at all and it's just a right wing news exaggeration Kunt. Now it's there are homeless people in Texas too!!!!
Which is it Kunt? -
Bob admits I'm right but is too dumb to realize it.SFGbob said:
Austin and Dallas and Houston are all run by liberals Hondo. And yes while there is a homeless problem in all of those cities its nowhere near as bad as it is in SF, LA and Seattle.2001400ex said:
Bob pulls quotes out of context again. Idiot. What I stated is true. Go to Dallas Texas, a liberal hotbed right? Do you think there is no homeless or people who shit in the streets there?SFGbob said:
Actually, I read very well, you're just a fucking liar Hondo.2001400ex said:
You don't read well. Like I said, you are the HH village idiot.SFGbob said:
Hondo I thought you told us that bums shitting and pissing in the streets was just a right wing, Fox News myth designed to make liberal cities look bad.2001400ex said:
What would we do for a village idiot on HH while Bob is pissing on wildfires?Alexis said:Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
I'm not saying it's not a problem. I'm saying it's being greatly exaggerated by your media to try to tear down two successful cities and paint liberalism as evil. If you can't see that, I got some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.
Hondo claims that thousands of people living and shitting in the streets in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle is just and exaggeration by right-wing media in order to make liberalism look bad.
Which is pretty much exactly what I claimed you had done Hondo.
Btw, your claim was that it isn't really much of problem at all and it's just a right wing news exaggeration Kunt. Now it's there are homeless people in Texas too!!!!
Which is it Kunt? -
Hondo fucks strawman ass because he is a pathological fucking liar. When did I ever say there were no homeless in Texas Kunt? But you did say the amount of homeless on the west coast and the shitting and pissing in the streets was an "exaggeration" by the right-wing media. You claimed I took your words "out of context" You lied Kunt.2001400ex said:
Bob admits I'm right but is too dumb to realize it.SFGbob said:
Austin and Dallas and Houston are all run by liberals Hondo. And yes while there is a homeless problem in all of those cities its nowhere near as bad as it is in SF, LA and Seattle.2001400ex said:
Bob pulls quotes out of context again. Idiot. What I stated is true. Go to Dallas Texas, a liberal hotbed right? Do you think there is no homeless or people who shit in the streets there?SFGbob said:
Actually, I read very well, you're just a fucking liar Hondo.2001400ex said:
You don't read well. Like I said, you are the HH village idiot.SFGbob said:
Hondo I thought you told us that bums shitting and pissing in the streets was just a right wing, Fox News myth designed to make liberal cities look bad.2001400ex said:
What would we do for a village idiot on HH while Bob is pissing on wildfires?Alexis said:Why can't Cali (ILTCIC) just take all of San Fran's homeless out and let them piss a fire line to stop the inferno. 2 birds, 1 stone right there.
I'm not saying it's not a problem. I'm saying it's being greatly exaggerated by your media to try to tear down two successful cities and paint liberalism as evil. If you can't see that, I got some oceanfront property in Montana to sell you.
Hondo claims that thousands of people living and shitting in the streets in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle is just and exaggeration by right-wing media in order to make liberalism look bad.
Which is pretty much exactly what I claimed you had done Hondo.
Btw, your claim was that it isn't really much of problem at all and it's just a right wing news exaggeration Kunt. Now it's there are homeless people in Texas too!!!!
Which is it Kunt? -
True colors.CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
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Or you could open your eyes2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true. -
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again -
How much can you see from the basement windows?CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
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How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again -
No one cares about PasadenaCirrhosisDawg said:
How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again -
https://www.rightathome.net/pasadenaRaceBannon said:
No one cares about PasadenaCirrhosisDawg said:
How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again
wow race turning his back on his constituents -
@CirrhosisDawg lives thereGwad said:
https://www.rightathome.net/pasadenaRaceBannon said:
No one cares about PasadenaCirrhosisDawg said:
How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again
wow race turning his back on his constituents
Do you always have problems following along? Learning disabled? -
UW football certainly doesn’t.RaceBannon said:
No one cares about PasadenaCirrhosisDawg said:
How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again -
You misspelled Taylor RappCirrhosisDawg said:
UW football certainly doesn’t.RaceBannon said:
No one cares about PasadenaCirrhosisDawg said:
How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again -
LA Rams fans love him. At least on talk radio. Greg Gaines hasn’t seen the field. Cory Littleton is an all-pro. Demarco Farr is on with Keyshawn every Tuesday morning.RaceBannon said:
You misspelled Taylor RappCirrhosisDawg said:
UW football certainly doesn’t.RaceBannon said:
No one cares about PasadenaCirrhosisDawg said:
How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again -
White trash love the NFLCirrhosisDawg said:
LA Rams fans love him. At least on talk radio. Greg Gaines hasn’t seen the field. Cory Littleton is an all-pro. Demarco Farr is on with Keyshawn every Tuesday morning.RaceBannon said:
You misspelled Taylor RappCirrhosisDawg said:
UW football certainly doesn’t.RaceBannon said:
No one cares about PasadenaCirrhosisDawg said:
How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again
@HarveyRoad -
When Harv is right, he’s right. Totally agree.RaceBannon said:
White trash love the NFLCirrhosisDawg said:
LA Rams fans love him. At least on talk radio. Greg Gaines hasn’t seen the field. Cory Littleton is an all-pro. Demarco Farr is on with Keyshawn every Tuesday morning.RaceBannon said:
You misspelled Taylor RappCirrhosisDawg said:
UW football certainly doesn’t.RaceBannon said:
No one cares about PasadenaCirrhosisDawg said:
How would I know? You’re the one melting down (roflmao) about this. It’s another perfect day here in Pasadena.RaceBannon said:
Did Newsom speak and I missed it? What are we supposed to believe? What does Schiff think? Nadler?CirrhosisDawg said:
His masters told him so.2001400ex said:
If you vote for liberals, you get blackouts, wildfires, doom and gloom!!!CirrhosisDawg said:Everything’s fine in Pasadena. All I see is trumptrash melting down (lol!).
Race said it so it must be true.
#1 bootlicker @CirrhosisDawg projecting again
@HarveyRoad -
https://foxnews.com/opinion/aoc-california-wildfires-government-climate-change-daniel-turner
Once again California is burning. We have been here before. Why are we back?
“This is what climate change looks like” tweeted liberal Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez sharing images of a burning state and showing support for her Green New Deal, the vegan-mandating, airplane-eliminating, hundred trillion dollar regressive proposal.
Climate change is the cause, and legislation, putting government in charge of everything, is the answer.
For a liberal government is always the answer.
Climate change is the perfect villain. It is nameless, faceless, and most of all, it is everywhere.
At first the evils of climate change were relegated to the climate meaning blistering heat. But then, so too is the polar vortex blamed on climate change. As is too much snow or a lack of snow.
One radical green group The National Resources Defense Council has attributed both droughts and floods to climate change which conveniently covers all bases.
Over time every phenomena in nature from hurricanes to tornados to typhoons to earthquakes were caused or exacerbated by climate change. This was intentional: show how climate change was the problem and thus grow support for the government solution.
If a mayor or a governor, or even the president, can blame everything on the ethereal and yet omnipotent “climate change” he can quite literally wash his hands of responsibility and justify both lethargy and incompetence. Sure, an administrator could take steps to mitigate California’s fires, but climate change is different. In the months where California was fire-free (roughly mid-December 2018 and mid-May 2019) what did the state do to prevent fires? Nothing. Why? Climate change.
There are a few man-made reasons why California seems to be constantly burning.
First off: it is dry. Not from climate change but from poor water management. Earlier this year the Sierra Nevada snowpack was 202 percent above the average (probably caused by climate change) with ski slopes operating into July. Where did the melt go? It is diverted, and California’s waterways do not run naturally. So much so that a proposal was introduced in 2010 to allow at least 60 percent of the rivers to flow unencumbered. Last year that was reduced to 40 percent, and the policy has still not been implemented. California doesn’t lack water; it lacks flowing water.
California’s forest are ignored, a claim President Trump made with which even Californians agree on. Decades of “green” policies protecting trees and wildlife, good intentions aside, created a tinder box of dead wood and overgrown brush. n some areas, locals are hoping the timber industry can prevent further fires. The private sector to the rescue, yet again.
Prevention goes a long way, and California does have resources. It’s cap-and-trade program, albeit bad economics, annually generates $11 billion with an entire bureaucracy appropriating it to “green” investments. The program has spent over $1 billion in grants for electric cars. Since 2001 it has given over $100 billion in green technology subsidies. Nothing for fire preventing or mitigation strategies.
In a recent press conference, California’s Governor Newsom said “Californians are bearing the brunt of these wildfires” and he’s absolutely right. Neither southern Oregon nor Western Nevada seem to suffer the same pinpointed effects of global climate change as California, which further demonstrates its wounds are largely self-inflicted. -
Great article Race. The facts will bother the libs endlessly.
