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Jay'Veon Sunday, 2020 3* RB, Waco (Connally), TX (Committed)

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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143

    Sunday had like 260 yards on 20 carries again last weekend. I know high school stats mean nothing but that's still good to hear

    High school only doesn’t matter when it’s a liked recruit who is underwhelming.

    Players that dominate on high school have a better chance at dominating in college. Same for college to NFL.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    chuck said:

    animate said:

    People get too wound up about absolute speed

    I'd rather have a guy who can move the chains, fall forward and make the offense chug.

    Rather than a guy who once in awhile breaks a big run but usually just slams into the offensive line or gets swallowed up for no gain

    My concern is if he can get out of the backfield. His initial burst is not much better than his long speed. His cutting isn't either. There were cutback lanes all over those clips that he either didn't see or just passed on. His cuts after the first level are rounded and limited in range.

    Sorry but I still dont see it. I Think Newton looked way better in HS.
    I normally like what you have to say about recruits. I don’t know where you’re coming up with this tho. He looked great. He’s going to be a problem (the good kind) at UW.
  • jhfstyle24
    jhfstyle24 Member Posts: 3,255

    chuck said:

    animate said:

    People get too wound up about absolute speed

    I'd rather have a guy who can move the chains, fall forward and make the offense chug.

    Rather than a guy who once in awhile breaks a big run but usually just slams into the offensive line or gets swallowed up for no gain

    My concern is if he can get out of the backfield. His initial burst is not much better than his long speed. His cutting isn't either. There were cutback lanes all over those clips that he either didn't see or just passed on. His cuts after the first level are rounded and limited in range.

    Sorry but I still dont see it. I Think Newton looked way better in HS.
    I normally like what you have to say about recruits. I don’t know where you’re coming up with this tho. He looked great. He’s going to be a problem (the good kind) at UW.
    He looks noticeably more explosive than his junior film. He got a lot better. That's the shit I like to see.

    He's going to be a stud.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,683 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    animate said:

    People get too wound up about absolute speed

    I'd rather have a guy who can move the chains, fall forward and make the offense chug.

    Rather than a guy who once in awhile breaks a big run but usually just slams into the offensive line or gets swallowed up for no gain

    My concern is if he can get out of the backfield. His initial burst is not much better than his long speed. His cutting isn't either. There were cutback lanes all over those clips that he either didn't see or just passed on. His cuts after the first level are rounded and limited in range.

    Sorry but I still dont see it. I Think Newton looked way better in HS.
    I normally like what you have to say about recruits. I don’t know where you’re coming up with this tho. He looked great. He’s going to be a problem (the good kind) at UW.
    You guys just want him to be good so you'll be right.

    I tend to see the upside and am overly optimistic about less heralded guys. I think I'll be proven right this time though. It's a can't lose situation for me. I'll be happy if hes good.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000

    FirePete said:

    chuck said:

    Meh. I'm glad so many here are excited about this slow, mid size power back and the highlights showing him winning low speed races with smaller and slower players who dont want to tackle him. I'm trying to ignore what my eyes are telling me and get on the bandwagon. It's not working though.
    KB is bad recruiter because he is lazy, but he is he a good talent evaluator.
    At the end of the day, I want my assistants to be able to recruit, because I want each position coach to put a good product on the field. Recruiting matters, but if you put a good product on the field your job is safe.

    So, that's how I evaluate position coaches.

    QB: No qualms here. Hard to tell in our stupid ass offense.
    RB: Carried by Gaskin, but a consistently good product, even though Boner is a lazy fuck.
    WR: Blech. Jury is still out on Junior. If the WR aren't good next year I will be concerned.
    TE: Consistently good product. Recruiting could be better, but is improving.
    OL: Solid product. Could be better, but Huff has gotten solid results out of an OL that had some holes. Should take a leap in the next 2 years.
    DL: Huge hole from lack of recruiting for 2 years, but Malloe is killing it and this will be a great product.
    LB: Fucking dogshit. If you can't recruit you better have results. Greggy doesn't. Gate.
    DB: Elite product. Not perfect this year but still damn good despite losing lots of experience. Every position group handled like this is a championship.
    ST: Not awful this year. Still a gate for Greggy.
    I love me some Jimmy, but our Safety recruiting has been shite between Rapp and Williams/Turner.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,293 Standard Supporter
    I don't know why, but the play @ 2:26 cracks me up. #58 executes what may be the most awkward and least athletic pull of all time.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    animate said:

    People get too wound up about absolute speed

    I'd rather have a guy who can move the chains, fall forward and make the offense chug.

    Rather than a guy who once in awhile breaks a big run but usually just slams into the offensive line or gets swallowed up for no gain

    My concern is if he can get out of the backfield. His initial burst is not much better than his long speed. His cutting isn't either. There were cutback lanes all over those clips that he either didn't see or just passed on. His cuts after the first level are rounded and limited in range.

    Sorry but I still dont see it. I Think Newton looked way better in HS.
    I normally like what you have to say about recruits. I don’t know where you’re coming up with this tho. He looked great. He’s going to be a problem (the good kind) at UW.
    You guys just want him to be good so you'll be right.

    I tend to see the upside and am overly optimistic about less heralded guys. I think I'll be proven right this time though. It's a can't lose situation for me. I'll be happy if hes good.
    Uhh, I only speak for myself, but I'd like him to be good so he can help us win games.
    This. Why would I care if Adams ends up being better? I like Sunday better as a recruit, but none of this matters once they enroll. I want all of them to be really good.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    FirePete said:

    chuck said:

    Meh. I'm glad so many here are excited about this slow, mid size power back and the highlights showing him winning low speed races with smaller and slower players who dont want to tackle him. I'm trying to ignore what my eyes are telling me and get on the bandwagon. It's not working though.
    KB is bad recruiter because he is lazy, but he is he a good talent evaluator.
    At the end of the day, I want my assistants to be able to recruit, because I want each position coach to put a good product on the field. Recruiting matters, but if you put a good product on the field your job is safe.

    So, that's how I evaluate position coaches.

    QB: No qualms here. Hard to tell in our stupid ass offense.
    RB: Carried by Gaskin, but a consistently good product, even though Boner is a lazy fuck.
    WR: Blech. Jury is still out on Junior. If the WR aren't good next year I will be concerned.
    TE: Consistently good product. Recruiting could be better, but is improving.
    OL: Solid product. Could be better, but Huff has gotten solid results out of an OL that had some holes. Should take a leap in the next 2 years.
    DL: Huge hole from lack of recruiting for 2 years, but Malloe is killing it and this will be a great product.
    LB: Fucking dogshit. If you can't recruit you better have results. Greggy doesn't. Gate.
    DB: Elite product. Not perfect this year but still damn good despite losing lots of experience. Every position group handled like this is a championship.
    ST: Not awful this year. Still a gate for Greggy.
    I love me some Jimmy, but our Safety recruiting has been shite between Rapp and Williams/Turner.
    Has it? I think Jimmy is generally overrated as a recruiter and underrated as a developer but I don't see a lot of safety misses between Rapp and Williams. Irvin's been banged up but if he's healthy he's either playing safety or corner and freeing Gordon to play safety.

    Jimmy whiffed on McKinney, apparently. Who else?
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,683 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    animate said:

    People get too wound up about absolute speed

    I'd rather have a guy who can move the chains, fall forward and make the offense chug.

    Rather than a guy who once in awhile breaks a big run but usually just slams into the offensive line or gets swallowed up for no gain

    My concern is if he can get out of the backfield. His initial burst is not much better than his long speed. His cutting isn't either. There were cutback lanes all over those clips that he either didn't see or just passed on. His cuts after the first level are rounded and limited in range.

    Sorry but I still dont see it. I Think Newton looked way better in HS.
    I normally like what you have to say about recruits. I don’t know where you’re coming up with this tho. He looked great. He’s going to be a problem (the good kind) at UW.
    You guys just want him to be good so you'll be right.

    I tend to see the upside and am overly optimistic about less heralded guys. I think I'll be proven right this time though. It's a can't lose situation for me. I'll be happy if hes good.
    Uhh, I only speak for myself, but I'd like him to be good so he can help us win games.
    No fucking shit. That's the joke.
  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,683 Swaye's Wigwam

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    animate said:

    People get too wound up about absolute speed

    I'd rather have a guy who can move the chains, fall forward and make the offense chug.

    Rather than a guy who once in awhile breaks a big run but usually just slams into the offensive line or gets swallowed up for no gain

    My concern is if he can get out of the backfield. His initial burst is not much better than his long speed. His cutting isn't either. There were cutback lanes all over those clips that he either didn't see or just passed on. His cuts after the first level are rounded and limited in range.

    Sorry but I still dont see it. I Think Newton looked way better in HS.
    I normally like what you have to say about recruits. I don’t know where you’re coming up with this tho. He looked great. He’s going to be a problem (the good kind) at UW.
    You guys just want him to be good so you'll be right.

    I tend to see the upside and am overly optimistic about less heralded guys. I think I'll be proven right this time though. It's a can't lose situation for me. I'll be happy if hes good.
    Uhh, I only speak for myself, but I'd like him to be good so he can help us win games.
    This. Why would I care if Adams ends up being better? I like Sunday better as a recruit, but none of this matters once they enroll. I want all of them to be really good.
    Jesus Roadie loosen up.

    I'm not expecting Adams to be amazing unless it's as a receiving threat. I honestly am not excited about the RB depth going forward. Davis has some promise, but I dont see anyone aside from him with a chance to be special.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,143
    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    chuck said:

    animate said:

    People get too wound up about absolute speed

    I'd rather have a guy who can move the chains, fall forward and make the offense chug.

    Rather than a guy who once in awhile breaks a big run but usually just slams into the offensive line or gets swallowed up for no gain

    My concern is if he can get out of the backfield. His initial burst is not much better than his long speed. His cutting isn't either. There were cutback lanes all over those clips that he either didn't see or just passed on. His cuts after the first level are rounded and limited in range.

    Sorry but I still dont see it. I Think Newton looked way better in HS.
    I normally like what you have to say about recruits. I don’t know where you’re coming up with this tho. He looked great. He’s going to be a problem (the good kind) at UW.
    You guys just want him to be good so you'll be right.

    I tend to see the upside and am overly optimistic about less heralded guys. I think I'll be proven right this time though. It's a can't lose situation for me. I'll be happy if hes good.
    Uhh, I only speak for myself, but I'd like him to be good so he can help us win games.
    This. Why would I care if Adams ends up being better? I like Sunday better as a recruit, but none of this matters once they enroll. I want all of them to be really good.
    Jesus Roadie loosen up.

    I'm not expecting Adams to be amazing unless it's as a receiving threat. I honestly am not excited about the RB depth going forward. Davis has some promise, but I dont see anyone aside from him with a chance to be special.
    Agree that Adams is kind of a whatever prospect as a RB. I find it kind of strange he barely gets the ball at EC. From what people who actually watch him play, he’s better on defense.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000
    dnc said:

    FirePete said:

    chuck said:

    Meh. I'm glad so many here are excited about this slow, mid size power back and the highlights showing him winning low speed races with smaller and slower players who dont want to tackle him. I'm trying to ignore what my eyes are telling me and get on the bandwagon. It's not working though.
    KB is bad recruiter because he is lazy, but he is he a good talent evaluator.
    At the end of the day, I want my assistants to be able to recruit, because I want each position coach to put a good product on the field. Recruiting matters, but if you put a good product on the field your job is safe.

    So, that's how I evaluate position coaches.

    QB: No qualms here. Hard to tell in our stupid ass offense.
    RB: Carried by Gaskin, but a consistently good product, even though Boner is a lazy fuck.
    WR: Blech. Jury is still out on Junior. If the WR aren't good next year I will be concerned.
    TE: Consistently good product. Recruiting could be better, but is improving.
    OL: Solid product. Could be better, but Huff has gotten solid results out of an OL that had some holes. Should take a leap in the next 2 years.
    DL: Huge hole from lack of recruiting for 2 years, but Malloe is killing it and this will be a great product.
    LB: Fucking dogshit. If you can't recruit you better have results. Greggy doesn't. Gate.
    DB: Elite product. Not perfect this year but still damn good despite losing lots of experience. Every position group handled like this is a championship.
    ST: Not awful this year. Still a gate for Greggy.
    I love me some Jimmy, but our Safety recruiting has been shite between Rapp and Williams/Turner.

    Jimmy whiffed on McKinney, apparently. Who else?
    That’s exactly my point...there is nobody else. Our starting safeties are a true freshman (who played safety for 1 year in high school) and a walk-on nickel, with one Jr miss and another true freshman backing them up.

    That’s not good, balanced recruiting...
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    When I saw Newton’s video the thing that really stood out to me is how hard he ran

    I see the same thing out of Sunday

    It’s great to have the game breaker and get that 80 yard TD like Salvon did against USC ...

    But more often than not, it’s can the RB get an extra 2-3 yards after contact and turn that 3 yard gain into 5 that matters down after down
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Meek said:
    First 6 yards were consensual
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    It's the definitive highlight for Sunday

    For those that think he'll be good, it highlights his strength and unwillingness to go down easily are on full display. You can see why there's a thought that with guys like him and Dick Newton you can have a punishing downhill running game.

    For those that aren't sold on him, there's nothing on him getting to the outside that is inspiring and the only thing saving him from a decent loss is his ability to break tackles.

    He'll be good if we use him right.
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Tequilla said:

    It's the definitive highlight for Sunday

    For those that think he'll be good, it highlights his strength and unwillingness to go down easily are on full display. You can see why there's a thought that with guys like him and Dick Newton you can have a punishing downhill running game.

    For those that aren't sold on him, there's nothing on him getting to the outside that is inspiring and the only thing saving him from a decent loss is his ability to break tackles.

    He'll be good if we use him right.

    So he won’t be usefully in our most effective plays?? Bubble screen to midget WR
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    It's the definitive highlight for Sunday

    For those that think he'll be good, it highlights his strength and unwillingness to go down easily are on full display. You can see why there's a thought that with guys like him and Dick Newton you can have a punishing downhill running game.

    For those that aren't sold on him, there's nothing on him getting to the outside that is inspiring and the only thing saving him from a decent loss is his ability to break tackles.

    He'll be good if we use him right.

    Always the quality that stands out most among mediocre running backs.
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    Tequilla said:

    It's the definitive highlight for Sunday

    For those that think he'll be good, it highlights his strength and unwillingness to go down easily are on full display. You can see why there's a thought that with guys like him and Dick Newton you can have a punishing downhill running game.

    For those that aren't sold on him, there's nothing on him getting to the outside that is inspiring and the only thing saving him from a decent loss is his ability to break tackles.

    He'll be good if we use him right.

    Always the quality that stands out most among mediocre running backs.
    Are calling the terrorist mediocre
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    NEsnake12 said:

    Meek said:
    Pete and Bush are watching this and salivating over the thought of the WildSunday. FML
    I have no problem with wildcat, with the right personnel
  • DoogCourics
    DoogCourics Member Posts: 5,739
    Last Week: 238 yards and four touchdowns on 35 carries

    Season Stats: 1,457 yards, 17 TDs
  • ToddTurnerLIVES
    ToddTurnerLIVES Member Posts: 438
    I get that this guy runs weird but he has great vision and is the fastest player on the field between the LOS and 25 yards downfield. He's going to be good in college.
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    NEsnake12 said:

    Meek said:
    Pete and Bush are watching this and salivating over the thought of the WildSunday. FML
    I have no problem with wildcat, with the right personnel
    sure, but fucking bush called it with the 4th string RB. let that sink in. our offensive coaches have no idea what their personale is good at. We still throw to bacelia
  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696
    NEsnake12 said:

    Meek said:
    Pete and Bush are watching this and salivating over the thought of the WildSunday. FML
    POTW for me, quite easily.
  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696

    NEsnake12 said:

    Meek said:
    Pete and Bush are watching this and salivating over the thought of the WildSunday. FML
    I have no problem with wildcat, with the right personnel
    The "right personnel" for the wildcat is me at starting quarterback. In that case, by all means, let the running back take the snap.