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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,085
    Haven't really thought this through much - but it seems to me the 5th Amendment was designed to prevent interrogation without indictment.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    Let alone whether Congress has authority to issue, compel or enforce its own subpoena.

    https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1095&context=jpl

    Either way it will be interesting.



  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    It's always the same headline

    Debating, discussing, planning, etc.

    I swear they never actually do anything
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Take your retard argument to someone that actually supported Obama.
  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470
    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,085

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Take your retard argument to someone that actually supported Obama.
    You don't understan maff? 20 years goes way past Obama.

  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,085
    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,789 Standard Supporter
    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    Show up and take the 5th like Obama officials.
  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,468 Founders Club

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    You mean like the Obama Administration and its use of FISA courts?


    Auce.
  • Postal91
    Postal91 Member Posts: 1,895
    That witch is batshit.
  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470
    pawz said:

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    You mean like the Obama Administration and its use of FISA courts?


    Auce.
    If there was fisa abuse I’d like to know about it. Trump kept saying he was going to declassify the entire thing - wonder why he didn’t? Trey Gowdy read the unredacted warrant and said the FBI did exactly what we would want them to do given the circumstances. Then again Gowdy is a flaming libtard so why should we trust him...
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,085
    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...
    I'll give you another post before that play is run.

    I said I hadn't put much thought into it - see also shower happy ending - was busy this morning. Quite frankly, hadn't even framed an argument. Just gave people a couple links to contemplate. You know, critical thinking skills applied.

    TDS kicks in immediately apparently.



  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    A bigger threat than, say, surreptitiously stealing the Democratic Nomination from Bernie Sanders in 2016?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,931 Founders Club
    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...

  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...
    I'll give you another post before that play is run.

    I said I hadn't put much thought into it - see also shower happy ending - was busy this morning. Quite frankly, hadn't even framed an argument. Just gave people a couple links to contemplate. You know, critical thinking skills applied.

    TDS kicks in immediately apparently.



    so you are already disavowing this poast?

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    As I said earlier - I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded, instead of asking you a question...
  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...

    The administration claimed executive privilege. The case eventually went to court and the administration had to turn over most of the records. I agree with you that was a case of stonewalling and it took time but eventually the rule of law won out.
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    A bigger threat than, say, surreptitiously stealing the Democratic Nomination from Bernie Sanders in 2016?
    Yes, the sitting president pushing for power that cannot be checked is more dangerous than the DNC pushing debates to Friday nights to keep viewership down.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,931 Founders Club
    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...

    The administration claimed executive privilege. The case eventually went to court and the administration had to turn over most of the records. I agree with you that was a case of stonewalling and it took time but eventually the rule of law won out.
    Bullshit
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,789 Standard Supporter
    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...

    The administration claimed executive privilege. The case eventually went to court and the administration had to turn over most of the records. I agree with you that was a case of stonewalling and it took time but eventually the rule of law won out.
    The rule of law did not win out. A scheme committed specifically to blame American gun owners for the problem it created in an attempt to sway public opinion so more gun control could be enacted. People died from those guns including Brain Terry a US Border Patrol agent.

  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Take your retard argument to someone that actually supported Obama.
    You don't understan maff? 20 years goes way past Obama.

    So, your argument is basically because Bush committed war crimes, Trump can do whatever he wants.

    If you want to be an anarchist, cool. Stop hiding like a coward behind faux centrist both sides are so bad edgy bullshit.
  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...

    The administration claimed executive privilege. The case eventually went to court and the administration had to turn over most of the records. I agree with you that was a case of stonewalling and it took time but eventually the rule of law won out.
    Bullshit
    compelling argument
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...

    The administration claimed executive privilege. The case eventually went to court and the administration had to turn over most of the records. I agree with you that was a case of stonewalling and it took time but eventually the rule of law won out.
    Bullshit
    compelling argument
    It’s actually one of the better arguments he’s put together as of late. Father Time remains undefeated.
  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470
    Sledog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...

    The administration claimed executive privilege. The case eventually went to court and the administration had to turn over most of the records. I agree with you that was a case of stonewalling and it took time but eventually the rule of law won out.
    The rule of law did not win out. A scheme committed specifically to blame American gun owners for the problem it created in an attempt to sway public opinion so more gun control could be enacted. People died from those guns including Brain Terry a US Border Patrol agent.

    We are talking about the release of records and compelling testimony not the specific program. If you want to argue about the practice of gunwalking start a thread. BTW - guns don't kill people, people do...
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,085

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Take your retard argument to someone that actually supported Obama.
    You don't understan maff? 20 years goes way past Obama.

    So, your argument is basically because Bush committed war crimes, Trump can do whatever he wants.

    If you want to be an anarchist, cool. Stop hiding like a coward behind faux centrist both sides are so bad edgy bullshit.
    Both extremes are bad.



  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,789 Standard Supporter
    edited October 2019
    GDS said:

    Sledog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    Wh

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    jesus.

    Did you miss the last 20 years of executive orders and various other bullshit?

    and NOW you want accountability?

    TDS, indeed, fren.

    Were there Obama officials that refused congressional subpoena?
    But but....in reverse.

    Nice work.

    So you consider it TDS to expect Trump officials to abide by congressional subpoenas because you think the past 3 presidential administrations have avoided accountability. Yet you can’t point to previous instances of administration officials wholesale refusal to testify when subpoenaed...maybe I should have just gone with calling your argument retarded like the previous poster...

    The administration claimed executive privilege. The case eventually went to court and the administration had to turn over most of the records. I agree with you that was a case of stonewalling and it took time but eventually the rule of law won out.
    The rule of law did not win out. A scheme committed specifically to blame American gun owners for the problem it created in an attempt to sway public opinion so more gun control could be enacted. People died from those guns including Brain Terry a US Border Patrol agent.

    We are talking about the release of records and compelling testimony not the specific program. If you want to argue about the practice of gunwalking start a thread. BTW - guns don't kill people, people do...
    Drug cartels do. That's who the guns went to. Rocket science much?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    A bigger threat than, say, surreptitiously stealing the Democratic Nomination from Bernie Sanders in 2016?
    How fucking dumb can you be? Also noticed genius sledog voted this post up. Hillary had way more votes than Bernie. I'm not sure you call that stealing. However, if you still think that's stealing the nomination, I'm curious your thoughts on the electoral college as it relates to Trump's election.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter

    They should absolutely be discussing it. I don’t think they have the power to do it but they should be making sure they don’t.

    Trump is abandoning rule of law and the checks and balances that this country was built on. It’s dangerous and a threat to our democracy. Congress must explore all options to hold him accountable.

    A bigger threat than, say, surreptitiously stealing the Democratic Nomination from Bernie Sanders in 2016?
    Yes, the sitting president pushing for power that cannot be checked is more dangerous than the DNC pushing debates to Friday nights to keep viewership down.
    One is a question of constitutional law. The other is outright corruption and election fraud.

    Not surprised that corruption and election fraud are of lesser importance to you.