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RaceBannon
RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club
https://foxnews.com/opinion/cal-thomas-trump-channels-george-mcgovern-in-abandoning-syria


The year was 1972 and Americans wanted out of the Vietnam War; the right because it was not being won and the left because of the increasing body count and lies from generals and politicians about “progress” toward defeating the communists.

Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern’s slogan “Come Home, America” resonated with growing numbers of people. When Richard Nixon defeated McGovern in a landslide, even Nixon began planning for a U.S. withdrawal. “Peace with honor” was his slogan.



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  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club
    GDS said:

    NOC

    Your endless war masters do

  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

    That’s not an argument.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    Like u need an occasion for a parade freeme ;))))
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

    That’s not an argument.
    I'm not arguing

    Statement of fact
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

    That’s not an argument.
    I'm not arguing

    Statement of fact
    An argument you’ve lost.
    Facts that don’t exist.
    HTH.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

    ROFL...no. I bitched about it when Obama was in charge though. You’d get credit if you cared when Bush was in office, but we all know you didn’t.

    Your team led us into this mess, and now you have the gall to accuse me of being an endless war monger because I don’t want to abandon an ally for absolutely nothing.

    Bring em all home or shut the fuck up about how you’re no longer on team endless war.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

    ROFL...no. I bitched about it when Obama was in charge though. You’d get credit if you cared when Bush was in office, but we all know you didn’t.

    Your team led us into this mess, and now you have the gall to accuse me of being an endless war monger because I don’t want to abandon an ally for absolutely nothing.

    Bring em all home or shut the fuck up about how you’re no longer on team endless war.
    Obama had 8 years. I'm sure no one was tougher on him than you though Kim

    Trump is actually acting on the promise

    And I'm team McGovern

    I haven't moved
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

    ROFL...no. I bitched about it when Obama was in charge though. You’d get credit if you cared when Bush was in office, but we all know you didn’t.

    Your team led us into this mess, and now you have the gall to accuse me of being an endless war monger because I don’t want to abandon an ally for absolutely nothing.

    Bring em all home or shut the fuck up about how you’re no longer on team endless war.
    Obama had 8 years. I'm sure no one was tougher on him than you though Kim

    Trump is actually acting on the promise

    And I'm team McGovern

    I haven't moved
    Obama brought more troops home than fat orange fucktard has (or will), but sure claim victory. You don’t care anyways.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

    ROFL...no. I bitched about it when Obama was in charge though. You’d get credit if you cared when Bush was in office, but we all know you didn’t.

    Your team led us into this mess, and now you have the gall to accuse me of being an endless war monger because I don’t want to abandon an ally for absolutely nothing.

    Bring em all home or shut the fuck up about how you’re no longer on team endless war.
    Obama had 8 years. I'm sure no one was tougher on him than you though Kim

    Trump is actually acting on the promise

    And I'm team McGovern

    I haven't moved
    Obama brought more troops home than fat orange fucktard has (or will), but sure claim victory. You don’t care anyways.
    You mean when ISIS formed?

    They're a big deal now
    Headed to America

    Still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Got into Syria and Yemen

    Nobel peace prize shit right there

    But you were tough on him Kim
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    I'm sure you'll still be bitching about it

    ROFL...no. I bitched about it when Obama was in charge though. You’d get credit if you cared when Bush was in office, but we all know you didn’t.

    Your team led us into this mess, and now you have the gall to accuse me of being an endless war monger because I don’t want to abandon an ally for absolutely nothing.

    Bring em all home or shut the fuck up about how you’re no longer on team endless war.
    Obama had 8 years. I'm sure no one was tougher on him than you though Kim

    Trump is actually acting on the promise

    And I'm team McGovern

    I haven't moved
    Obama brought more troops home than fat orange fucktard has (or will), but sure claim victory. You don’t care anyways.
    You mean when ISIS formed?

    They're a big deal now
    Headed to America

    Still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Got into Syria and Yemen

    Nobel peace prize shit right there

    But you were tough on him Kim
    I criticize the people I vote for.

    You should try it.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club
    Cool

    Maybe I will
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club
    Oh wait I voted for W

    Who started this latest round and I backed him because I CARED about the Iraqi people including the Kurds he gassed

    You didn't care

    And W turned out to be a piece of shit

    Criticism logged
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    So are we rooting for the Troops to come home or not?

    I’m confused.
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    salemcoog said:

    How about we save the parade for when Trump actually brings all the troops home.

    So are we rooting for the Troops to come home or not?

    I’m confused.
    Yes. But Race wants to blow Trump for something he hasn’t done, and almost guaranteed won’t do.

    He no longer supports endless wars.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,036 Standard Supporter

    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.

    Wow. I know this is a little bit inconvenient for you but everyone you supported believed the same exact thing Bush did when it came to Iraq.

    Or did you forget that?

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.

    Wow. I know this is a little bit inconvenient for you but everyone you supported believed the same exact thing Bush did when it came to Iraq.

    Or did you forget that?

    That's actually a lie. Idiot.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,036 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.

    Wow. I know this is a little bit inconvenient for you but everyone you supported believed the same exact thing Bush did when it came to Iraq.

    Or did you forget that?

    That's actually a lie. Idiot.
    Jeezus you are one dumb lying SOB. You could have Googled this in 5 secs but you prefer to lie instead.

    How about I let you argue with those that said the same exact thing Bush did.

    What a fucking idiot. If you need more quotes by people like The Bitch or other leaders in the rat party, let me know and I will kick your ass again by providing the facts.

    https://medium.com/@CtYankee/one-way-or-the-other-we-are-determined-to-deny-iraq-the-capacity-to-develop-weapons-of-mass-f245a50430b5

    “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
    — President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
    — President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    “Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
    — Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
    — Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Cons — — ution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
    — Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

    “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technolo — — which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    “Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
    — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club
    Kind of early for a hondo meltdown
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.

    Wow. I know this is a little bit inconvenient for you but everyone you supported believed the same exact thing Bush did when it came to Iraq.

    Or did you forget that?

    That's actually a lie. Idiot.
    Jeezus you are one dumb lying SOB. You could have Googled this in 5 secs but you prefer to lie instead.

    How about I let you argue with those that said the same exact thing Bush did.

    What a fucking idiot. If you need more quotes by people like The Bitch or other leaders in the rat party, let me know and I will kick your ass again by providing the facts.

    https://medium.com/@CtYankee/one-way-or-the-other-we-are-determined-to-deny-iraq-the-capacity-to-develop-weapons-of-mass-f245a50430b5

    “One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
    — President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
    — President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    “Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
    — Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
    — Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Cons — — ution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
    — Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

    “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technolo — — which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    “Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
    — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
    What do quotes in 98 have to do with invading Iraq 5 years later? That's actually worse than what I thought you'd drum up to support your bullshit comment.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,036 Standard Supporter


    What do quotes in 98 have to do with invading Iraq 5 years later? That's actually worse than what I thought you'd drum up to support your bullshit comment.

    Jeezus you are the worst of the worst liars on here. They all thought the same right up until it was Bush who invaded Iraq then rats did what rats do: They lied.

    Now fuck off junior unless you bring something to the discussion that isn't a lie.

    https://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

    "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
    Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
    -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

    "I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
    -- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

    "Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
    -- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

    "We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
    -- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002


    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
    -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

    "I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
    -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

    "People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
    -- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

    I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
    -- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003
  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.

    Wow. I know this is a little bit inconvenient for you but everyone you supported believed the same exact thing Bush did when it came to Iraq.

    Or did you forget that?

    No. In fact I supported it too. I believed Colin Powell when he presented the evidence of WMDs. I was ready for payback. Al Quaeda was there, man!

    Except they weren’t. Neither were the WMDs.

    WHOOPS.

    Imagine still supporting all of this long after that inconvenient truth came to light.

    Got any more zingers, fuck boi??
  • USMChawk
    USMChawk Member Posts: 1,800

    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.

    Wow. I know this is a little bit inconvenient for you but everyone you supported believed the same exact thing Bush did when it came to Iraq.

    Or did you forget that?

    No. In fact I supported it too. I believed Colin Powell when he presented the evidence of WMDs. I was ready for payback. Al Quaeda was there, man!

    Except they weren’t. Neither were the WMDs.

    WHOOPS.

    Imagine still supporting all of this long after that inconvenient truth came to light.

    Got any more zingers, fuck boi??
    Except there were WMDs found. A fact that gets forgotten because the lie is more appealing.

    https://thepoliticalinsider.com/bombshell-new-york-times-reports-wmds-found-iraq/
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.

    Wow. I know this is a little bit inconvenient for you but everyone you supported believed the same exact thing Bush did when it came to Iraq.

    Or did you forget that?

    That's actually a lie. Idiot.
    Always love it when Hondo the stupid lying Kunt calls someone else an idiot.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,028 Founders Club

    You cared about the Iraqi people so much you supported a war based on a lie long after the lie was exposed.

    Care for Iraqis logged.

    Wow. I know this is a little bit inconvenient for you but everyone you supported believed the same exact thing Bush did when it came to Iraq.

    Or did you forget that?

    No. In fact I supported it too. I believed Colin Powell when he presented the evidence of WMDs. I was ready for payback. Al Quaeda was there, man!

    Except they weren’t. Neither were the WMDs.

    WHOOPS.

    Imagine still supporting all of this long after that inconvenient truth came to light.

    Got any more zingers, fuck boi??
    Nobody is still supporting it

    Except the TDS crowd now

    But I CARED about the Kurds

    Sounds like you care too