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4 million people, and a bunch of liars
topdawgnc
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Four million people have signed up for Obamacare.
Success, according to his Health and Human Services Secretary was 7 million. She of course now denies saying that, even though my VCR has her on tape making the statement.
So Harry Reid goes on the Senate floor and calls out a liar ... oh not the Secretary ... but the people who have come forward and say they can no longer afford health care and may die. According to Harry, these people are actors.
We should focus on the four million, or just 1.3333% of the population who now have health insurance who didn't previously.
Over 2 million jobs will be lost, so 1.3333% of the population can get health insurance.
On the high end, there will be all this disruption so 10% of the population can get health insurance.
How will we feel when Obama or Clinton says oh fuck it ... this is costing the country too much. And one payer is mandated.
Success, according to his Health and Human Services Secretary was 7 million. She of course now denies saying that, even though my VCR has her on tape making the statement.
So Harry Reid goes on the Senate floor and calls out a liar ... oh not the Secretary ... but the people who have come forward and say they can no longer afford health care and may die. According to Harry, these people are actors.
We should focus on the four million, or just 1.3333% of the population who now have health insurance who didn't previously.
Over 2 million jobs will be lost, so 1.3333% of the population can get health insurance.
On the high end, there will be all this disruption so 10% of the population can get health insurance.
How will we feel when Obama or Clinton says oh fuck it ... this is costing the country too much. And one payer is mandated.
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I don't like the Affordable Health Care Act as it has been perpetrated by the Obama administration and passed into law by a Democratic Congress (before the House went south). I don't like it because it is mostly based on a Republican concept for somehow getting the sharp rise in health care costs under control by incentivizing the insurance industry to play more casino than it should be allowed to. This of course will be a boon to the private insurance industry, but in my long lifetime experience, no Republican concept or brainstorm intended for controlling or lowering costs of anything worth buying has ever been successful for the consumer.
Obamacare may result in the insurance industry providing private health care insurance to all those who don't have it, but it also provides the means for employer provided insurance to disappear. For anybody such as myself who have seen and watched the rise in employee benefit costs associated directly to healthcare insurance over the past 40 years, it's not a mystery as to what is the primary motivation of any Affordable Health Care Act. As designed around a Republican concept or solution for controlling costs in the labor market, it obviously is an agenda promoted traditionally by Republicans, but also supported by many Democrats, for lowering labor cost in most for-profit or non-profit businesses or endeavors where such cost reduction would directly enhance the bottom line. For politicos representing first and foremost the ideals of capitalism as opposed to the needs of The People, no labor cost reducing gambit short of a return to slavery ownership should be overlooked. Pay the slave-wagers enough for them to provide their own shelter and subsistence and fuck their benefits and offspring which are after all their responsibility.
Employers who drop their healthcare insurance benefits for employees will of course have to pay a penalty to the Feds,..... same as those employers who never provided such benefits before Obamacare and likely never will. Obviously, employers all over America are weighing their options with a view to the bottom line and whether or not they can realize larger earnings by dropping healthcare insurance for their employees. However, the accounting math is not as simple as it may seem. There are labor unions and government contracts that require minimum levels of employee benefits and many large companies and corporations who are self-insured may actually profit on the investment of moneys set aside to cover the cost of employee benefits such as insurance, which if managed smartly can actually lower their labor costs.
One practice that we are beginning to hear about that hasn't yet been amplified by the media or the politicos is the practice by some (don't yet know how many) employers to discriminate between different levels of employees in regard to who retains their insurance and who has their insurance dropped. This discrimination is likely not based so much on seniority or pay level as it is on the value of each employee's labor to the company, but so far it seems that younger less-skilled employees with families are the most likely to have their employer provided insurance dropped. It is possible that companies shitting on their employees in this manner were not providing expensive quality insurance plans to begin with and are simply dropping the minimal benefits and are willing to pay a penalty to the Feds rather than spend more money to upgrade as mandated by Obamacare.
I'm not so much against the current Affordable Health Care Act as I am doubtful that it can work as advertised to deliver America from what is becoming an embarrassing health care system in terms of service access to The People. In many parts of our country, mostly in rural areas unfortunate enough to be located within the boundaries of red conservative states, there are no hospitals, clinics, dental, optical, pharmaceutical, etc within a proximity that's possible for those needing medical treatment to reach, even if they could afford the cost which they can't. As a nation, we provide foreign aid for health care all over the so-called Third World, but we can't manage to do the same for all of rural America. We are becoming disgusting in too many ways, but never not fear the humanity of even the simplest forms of social conscience.
I'm for a single-payer health care system for all Americans similar to what I have with Medicare which by the way I pay for as deducted from my SS check each month. The coverage could be better for I also cover myself with far too expensive gap insurance where Medicare doesn't. A national single-payer system for all would of course cost us more than Medicare does now, but it would be ours as a co-op managed through our Federal government and not subject to the whims and greed of the private insurance industry casino. Our health is far too important to trust it to the inconsistencies and flakiness of free-market idiots and crooks on the Streets, Wall and Main. It's bad enough at times that we must work for the pigs.
If Obamacare were to be taken down now as Republican conservatives and radicals insist that it must, such a change would sound the death knell for the private health care system in America as we now know it and I would say good riddance. I believe that many if not most progressives and bleeding heart left-wing liberals would also not mourn such a death. The system's full collapse wouldn't happen overnight, but it would happen for certain. America's national economy has always depended on the productivity of our labor and that productivity is increasingly being eroded by the out-of-control cost of a health care providers and private insurers who know only one direction on their way to the bank.
Your greed and lack of compassion for your fellow man is not uncommon in your generation.