America's greatest MUST WIN military victory of all time?
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Love that song - and North to Alaska - but Johnny Motherfucking Horton had some pretty rayciss tunes if you look hard enough. Found that out back in the days ofYellowSnow said:PurpleThrobber said:
No Battle of New Orleans, no Old Hickory. No Old Hickory, no Trail of Tears. No Trail of Tears, no @Swaye descendants hooking up. No @Swaye, just a bunch of old rich white guys posting here.
Andrew Jackson founded motherfucking Hardcore Husky. No two ways about it.
In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.
[Chorus:]
We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin' on
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.
We looked down the river and we see'd the British come.
And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum.
They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring.
We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.
[Chorus]
Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye
We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well.
Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well
[Chorus]
Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**
We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down.
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.
[Chorus]
Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YL3gIFRAnINapsterbuying my first legal downloads.
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Gettysburg - 1863
North to Alaska is the greatest song about about Huskies after my avatar...PurpleThrobber said:
Love that song - and North to Alaska - but Johnny Motherfucking Horton had some pretty rayciss tunes if you look hard enough. Found that out back in the days ofYellowSnow said:PurpleThrobber said:
No Battle of New Orleans, no Old Hickory. No Old Hickory, no Trail of Tears. No Trail of Tears, no @Swaye descendants hooking up. No @Swaye, just a bunch of old rich white guys posting here.
Andrew Jackson founded motherfucking Hardcore Husky. No two ways about it.
In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.
[Chorus:]
We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin' on
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.
We looked down the river and we see'd the British come.
And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum.
They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring.
We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.
[Chorus]
Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye
We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well.
Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well
[Chorus]
Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**
We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down.
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.
[Chorus]
Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YL3gIFRAnINapsterbuying my first legal downloads.
He talked to his team of Huskies as he mushed them across the snow -
Gettysburg - 1863
We can agree getting thwarted on the beaches of Normandy would have been a disaster. It's difficult to say how far the Soviets would have advanced. We had some leverage in the sense that they were still receiving massive lend lease aid from us. We know the bomb was ready by Aug 1945. Might Germany have received it first?ThomasFremont said:
I don’t know. A massive defeat at Normandy might have totally stalled the Allies. Second guessing is a bitch. Just look at Africa and Italy.YellowSnow said:
The Soviets would have still ended up in Berlin even if Overlord failed. Probably not by April 1945 but it was still going to happen. Consider that 90% of all Whermacht casualties in the war were inflicted by the Soviets. The importance of Normandy was that it enabled us to keep much of Europe out of the Soviet sphere.ThomasFremont said:If the Allies take a loss at Normandy, fortress Europe holds and we enter a stalemate. The 101st and 82nd Airborne would be stranded behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply. At the very least many more casualties in follow up landing attempts. Nazis don’t get pressured on multiple fronts. A lot of things have to go right to end up with the same outcome. Not a lot of things have to happen for Hitler and Nazi Germany to remain a military power.
Meanwhile, the Nazis would have been riding high, had more time and resources to devote to the East.
Let’s say the Soviets roll them anyways (most likely)...if we aren’t meeting them in Berlin, do they stop? I doubt it. Now we are maybe meeting them in Paris? Do we stalemate or do we fight them now that they’ve violated our alliance by invading France (under the pretense of wiping out remaining Nazi units/leaders)? Either way, seems much worse than the way it played out. -
My woke history taught me that the bomb was reserved for the yellow folks not the white folksYellowSnow said:
We can agree getting thwarted on the beaches of Normandy would have been a disaster. It's difficult to say how far the Soviets would have advanced. We had some leverage in the sense that they were still receiving massive lend lease aid from us. We know the bomb was ready by Aug 1945. Might Germany have received it first?ThomasFremont said:
I don’t know. A massive defeat at Normandy might have totally stalled the Allies. Second guessing is a bitch. Just look at Africa and Italy.YellowSnow said:
The Soviets would have still ended up in Berlin even if Overlord failed. Probably not by April 1945 but it was still going to happen. Consider that 90% of all Whermacht casualties in the war were inflicted by the Soviets. The importance of Normandy was that it enabled us to keep much of Europe out of the Soviet sphere.ThomasFremont said:If the Allies take a loss at Normandy, fortress Europe holds and we enter a stalemate. The 101st and 82nd Airborne would be stranded behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply. At the very least many more casualties in follow up landing attempts. Nazis don’t get pressured on multiple fronts. A lot of things have to go right to end up with the same outcome. Not a lot of things have to happen for Hitler and Nazi Germany to remain a military power.
Meanwhile, the Nazis would have been riding high, had more time and resources to devote to the East.
Let’s say the Soviets roll them anyways (most likely)...if we aren’t meeting them in Berlin, do they stop? I doubt it. Now we are maybe meeting them in Paris? Do we stalemate or do we fight them now that they’ve violated our alliance by invading France (under the pretense of wiping out remaining Nazi units/leaders)? Either way, seems much worse than the way it played out.
Probably because the Japs bombed us and we were still really pissed off
Or racist -
Gettysburg - 1863
They are full of shit. We would have used it on Germany if needed. We? had not qualms about BBQ ing kraut civilians. In fact, the fire bombing of Dresden occurred well before LeMay started fire bombing Japan's cities.RaceBannon said:
My woke history taught me that the bomb was reserved for the yellow folks not the white folksYellowSnow said:
We can agree getting thwarted on the beaches of Normandy would have been a disaster. It's difficult to say how far the Soviets would have advanced. We had some leverage in the sense that they were still receiving massive lend lease aid from us. We know the bomb was ready by Aug 1945. Might Germany have received it first?ThomasFremont said:
I don’t know. A massive defeat at Normandy might have totally stalled the Allies. Second guessing is a bitch. Just look at Africa and Italy.YellowSnow said:
The Soviets would have still ended up in Berlin even if Overlord failed. Probably not by April 1945 but it was still going to happen. Consider that 90% of all Whermacht casualties in the war were inflicted by the Soviets. The importance of Normandy was that it enabled us to keep much of Europe out of the Soviet sphere.ThomasFremont said:If the Allies take a loss at Normandy, fortress Europe holds and we enter a stalemate. The 101st and 82nd Airborne would be stranded behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply. At the very least many more casualties in follow up landing attempts. Nazis don’t get pressured on multiple fronts. A lot of things have to go right to end up with the same outcome. Not a lot of things have to happen for Hitler and Nazi Germany to remain a military power.
Meanwhile, the Nazis would have been riding high, had more time and resources to devote to the East.
Let’s say the Soviets roll them anyways (most likely)...if we aren’t meeting them in Berlin, do they stop? I doubt it. Now we are maybe meeting them in Paris? Do we stalemate or do we fight them now that they’ve violated our alliance by invading France (under the pretense of wiping out remaining Nazi units/leaders)? Either way, seems much worse than the way it played out.
Probably because the Japs bombed us and we were still really pissed off
Or racist
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Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
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The Brits did Dresden
That was revenge too -
Gettysburg - 1863
It was a team effort. They sent 769 bombers to our 527.RaceBannon said:The Brits did Dresden
That was revenge too -
Normandy - 1944
Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.RaceBannon said:Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
War is hell. -
Write-in OptionBattle of the Little Bighorn - 1876
On June 25, 1876, while leading the 7th Cavalry Regiment at the Battle of the Little Bighorn in Montana Territory against a coalition of Native American tribes, George Armstrong Custer was killed along with over one third of his command during an action later romanticized as "Custer's Last Stand". - Wiki -
That's last century thinkingThomasFremont said:
Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.RaceBannon said:Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
War is hell.
We deserve to die -
Write-in OptionI'm not going to be able to confidently vote in this poll until I research the quality/quantity of victory coitus for each battle.
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Yorktown - 1781Yorktown was the end of the brits - we Corn-holed-wallis and that was the end. The best is always the last - the only one that really counts.
And the French have been making us pay since - Rochambeau influencing Washington, Lafayette, de Grasse (this was before he got into space shit) on water. The brits didn't stand a chance. -
Yorktown - 1781as far as the civil war and WWI, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Spanish American, all the Middle East wars - jeez have we been in enough? - we would just be more divided than we are having won most of them. I think if we were invaded eventually all the ferners would just give up and leave.
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Normandy - 1944
What if I told you our casualties taking the Japanese home islands would have far exceeded 80k?RaceBannon said:
That's last century thinkingThomasFremont said:
Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.RaceBannon said:Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
War is hell.
We deserve to die
Plus obviously a ton of Japanese dead as well, like way more than 80k depending on how strong the civilian population was urged to resist by their god-emperor. -
First grade stuff manThomasFremont said:
What if I told you our casualties taking the Japanese home islands would have far exceeded 80k?RaceBannon said:
That's last century thinkingThomasFremont said:
Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.RaceBannon said:Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
War is hell.
We deserve to die
Plus obviously a ton of Japanese dead as well, like way more than 80k depending on how strong the civilian population was urged to resist by their god-emperor.
We got taught history in my day
But I'm woke now
You're getting whooshed -
Normandy - 1944
I thought I was playing along. But ok.RaceBannon said:
First grade stuff manThomasFremont said:
What if I told you our casualties taking the Japanese home islands would have far exceeded 80k?RaceBannon said:
That's last century thinkingThomasFremont said:
Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.RaceBannon said:Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
War is hell.
We deserve to die
Plus obviously a ton of Japanese dead as well, like way more than 80k depending on how strong the civilian population was urged to resist by their god-emperor.
We got taught history in my day
But I'm woke now
You're getting whooshed -
It's hardThomasFremont said:
I thought I was playing along. But ok.RaceBannon said:
First grade stuff manThomasFremont said:
What if I told you our casualties taking the Japanese home islands would have far exceeded 80k?RaceBannon said:
That's last century thinkingThomasFremont said:
Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.RaceBannon said:Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
War is hell.
We deserve to die
Plus obviously a ton of Japanese dead as well, like way more than 80k depending on how strong the civilian population was urged to resist by their god-emperor.
We got taught history in my day
But I'm woke now
You're getting whooshed
To tell sometimes
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Normandy - 1944
Has my pedigree as a history knob fallen so far?RaceBannon said:
It's hardThomasFremont said:
I thought I was playing along. But ok.RaceBannon said:
First grade stuff manThomasFremont said:
What if I told you our casualties taking the Japanese home islands would have far exceeded 80k?RaceBannon said:
That's last century thinkingThomasFremont said:
Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.RaceBannon said:Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
War is hell.
We deserve to die
Plus obviously a ton of Japanese dead as well, like way more than 80k depending on how strong the civilian population was urged to resist by their god-emperor.
We got taught history in my day
But I'm woke now
You're getting whooshed
To tell sometimes
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Just the white guys.RaceBannon said:
That's last century thinkingThomasFremont said:
Better 80k of theirs than 1 of ours.RaceBannon said:Yep the bomb was just more efficient and risked less lives to wipe out 80,000 people
WW2 was brutal
War is hell.
We deserve to die
Not like the windtalkers and soldiers whose parents are inICE detention centersinternment camps. -
Saratoga - 1777Several on that list don't even deserve consideration. Vicksburg was big for a western theater battle, and very strategeric, but the war was going to be won back east. Atlanta? Christ. Baltimore? WTF? Even Gettysburg could have been a Union loss and still forced Lee to retreat because he wouldn't continue to have the manpower or logistical support to sustain an invasion. The argument for Antietam is stronger than any other Civil War battle, IMO.
I've made the poont many times that Midway was the most decisive 15 minutes in US military history, and that Normandy was a fucking overrated (thanks a fucking lot, Hanks and Spielberg) afterthought given what the Sovs were doing on the Eastern Front. But, really, none of those battles would have been fought had we? not turned the tide in the RevWar. Trenton was a feel-good sideshow, Yorktown was mop-up duty. Saratoga was the must-win, the tide-turner.
There are actually some interesting recent counterfactual books asking the querey of what would we be like had the British won the RevWar. Had we? lost, slavery probably have been abolished by the British 20 years later, no weird jingoist Manifest Destiny messianic mentality would have ingrained itself in the American collective consciousness, and we? likely would have gained independence like Canada did, later in the 19th century. A kinder, gentler version of ourselves, probably with universal health care instead of the prosperity gospel anti-brown 2A bullshit we have now
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Normandy - 1944Wow. I’ve never rooted against the US in the Revolutionary War before. Until now...
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England would be speaking German
Gee we could be Canada!!!!!! -
Saratoga - 1777
Canada stood with England from the beginning of both world warsRaceBannon said:England would be speaking German
Gee we could be Canada!!!!!! -
Saratoga - 1777
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/15/we-could-have-been-canadaRaceBannon said:England would be speaking German
Gee we could be Canada!!!!!!
Race has done it again!
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Normandy - 1944
Yeah but Hitler had some good ideas too!BearsWiin said:
Canada stood with England from the beginning of both world warsRaceBannon said:England would be speaking German
Gee we could be Canada!!!!!! -
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If you are going to go to war, it should be total war. Otherwise stay home and don't fight in the first place.YellowSnow said:
They are full of shit. We would have used it on Germany if needed. We? had not qualms about BBQ ing kraut civilians. In fact, the fire bombing of Dresden occurred well before LeMay started fire bombing Japan's cities.RaceBannon said:
My woke history taught me that the bomb was reserved for the yellow folks not the white folksYellowSnow said:
We can agree getting thwarted on the beaches of Normandy would have been a disaster. It's difficult to say how far the Soviets would have advanced. We had some leverage in the sense that they were still receiving massive lend lease aid from us. We know the bomb was ready by Aug 1945. Might Germany have received it first?ThomasFremont said:
I don’t know. A massive defeat at Normandy might have totally stalled the Allies. Second guessing is a bitch. Just look at Africa and Italy.YellowSnow said:
The Soviets would have still ended up in Berlin even if Overlord failed. Probably not by April 1945 but it was still going to happen. Consider that 90% of all Whermacht casualties in the war were inflicted by the Soviets. The importance of Normandy was that it enabled us to keep much of Europe out of the Soviet sphere.ThomasFremont said:If the Allies take a loss at Normandy, fortress Europe holds and we enter a stalemate. The 101st and 82nd Airborne would be stranded behind enemy lines with no hope of resupply. At the very least many more casualties in follow up landing attempts. Nazis don’t get pressured on multiple fronts. A lot of things have to go right to end up with the same outcome. Not a lot of things have to happen for Hitler and Nazi Germany to remain a military power.
Meanwhile, the Nazis would have been riding high, had more time and resources to devote to the East.
Let’s say the Soviets roll them anyways (most likely)...if we aren’t meeting them in Berlin, do they stop? I doubt it. Now we are maybe meeting them in Paris? Do we stalemate or do we fight them now that they’ve violated our alliance by invading France (under the pretense of wiping out remaining Nazi units/leaders)? Either way, seems much worse than the way it played out.
Probably because the Japs bombed us and we were still really pissed off
Or racist -
Write-in OptionThomasFremont said:
Yeah but Hitler had some good ideas too!BearsWiin said:
Canada stood with England from the beginning of both world warsRaceBannon said:England would be speaking German
Gee we could be Canada!!!!!!
Oktober could have been special.
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Normandy - 1944
Das es verboten!!1!PurpleThrobber said:ThomasFremont said:
Yeah but Hitler had some good ideas too!BearsWiin said:
Canada stood with England from the beginning of both world warsRaceBannon said:England would be speaking German
Gee we could be Canada!!!!!!
Oktober could have been special. -
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Das is gut.ThomasFremont said:
Das es verboten!!1!PurpleThrobber said:ThomasFremont said:
Yeah but Hitler had some good ideas too!BearsWiin said:
Canada stood with England from the beginning of both world warsRaceBannon said:England would be speaking German
Gee we could be Canada!!!!!!
Oktober could have been special.
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