So much for Obama's "Warning" to Russia...

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

D2D is really giving Russia too much credit. The US would wipe the floor with Russia; Putin can have all the tanks he wants, it won't mean shit when the AirForce is assfucking them from the sky. And they WOULD get fucked up on all fronts.

The US navy has 10 aircraft carriers + their fleets. Russia has 1 shitty carrier.

Stop this hypothetical Russia superpower bullshit. Putin likes to remind people every decade that Russia has a military (see the Georgia situation from 6 years ago). No one really gives a fuck, because Russia isn't dumb enough to start a war.

I guess these means Russia doesn't have an airforce. SMFH. Germany thought the same thing. Underestimate Russians and they'll wipe the floor with you. The world and the US in particular at this point in time, are weak, both morally and from wars. Obama is a fag. Russia is not scared of that waffling piece of shit. Russia will do what it wants and no one will do anything about it. We can only hope it chooses to remain a nation of the world and not devolve into a renegade threat that will need to be dealt with.

You are fucking stupid. The US airforce today is far superior to Russia's. This isn't the Cold War anymore. Do you realize what a carrier fleet entails?

Russia has nowhere near that kind of technology. The navy and airforce would win control of the skies and it would be all over for your favorite commies.

You morons need to learn that Obama is not the chief strategist for a potential US war. He would have nothing to do with the outcome of a US vs Russia engagement. It would have everything to do with the US AirForce vs the Russian AF. My money is on the US.

You fags should just move to Russia - things are going great over there!!

Airforces don't win wars. Ground forces do. HTH.

You guys need to stop with serious responses to D2D.

d2d said:

"Obama tells Putin his actions are 'clear violation' of Ukraine's sovereignty."

Putin thanked him and said, "I didn't know that invading another country with tanks violated the other country's sovereignty, you stupid muther fucker."

But we do know that tank invasions violate somebody's sovereignty, for we have done it twice recently in Afghanistan and Iraq in response to Al Qaeda violating American sovereignty on 9-11. Because they were allied with Al Qaeda, inhuman Afghan and Iraqi regimes aided and abetted the violation of American sovereignty on 9-11, and they too must die by all that is written under Allah.

But what the fuck does the Crimea have to do with American sovereignty or 9-11? The Crimean peninsula is ground consecrated by Russian blood in past wars and is land where sovereignty continues in dispute between Russians and Ukrainians. Unlike the kidnapping and flying of jetliners into the NYC Trade Center Towers, it is classical tradition for neighboring countries on the European Continent to dispute borders sometimes for centuries and fight wars over the sovereignty of the land in dispute. Only saber-rattling idiots and Obama haters could ever suggest that a Russian-Ukranian dispute could be any of our fucking business. You can't suggest that this Crimean dispute is the ol' bullshit domino theory all over again.

The agri-rich Ukraine is a shithole piece of property stuck between ancient enemies Russia and Germany and has been fought over for many centuries. The Ukrainians have never been a nationally independent people and it's easy to see why with the way they've been fighting each other in civil conflict since the breakup of the Soviet Union. While other countries and peoples that once were part of the old Soviet Union seem to be moving peacefully toward civilized independence, the Ukraine continues to wallow in it's own shit. It's time for the Russians and Germans to come together and do something about the pig-sty they share borders with. Both countries are old hands at tank diplomacy. It's very disappointing to see America represented by Obama and John Kerry try to stick our fucking noses up Putin's ass where we can never belong.

Ukraine is a s*** hole because of the corruption by their leaders. Southern Ukraine is agriculturally rich (enough to essentially feed the world). There is a reason why in every invasion of Russia, Ukraine was immediately targeted. Eastern Ukraine also has a lot of valuable natural resources.

I am Ukrainian and know what is going on there from the relatives who still live there. Honestly from what I gather Ukraine will break apart. Crimea first and than followed by Donetsk and Kharkov. At that point neither the U.S. or Europe will give two S***s about Ukraine. They just want to get their hands on Southern/Eastern Ukraine and gain their agriculture for their own benefit. That is the only reason Europe or the U.S. is making a huge issue about what is going on in Ukraine.

I also laugh at the proposed sanctions against Russia by Europe/US. Russia is a nation that is hard to sanction because of their wealth of natural resources. Europe will not do it as Russia will shut down the flow of natural gas into Europe. That will hurt Europe's economy more than sanctions will hurt Russia's. The United States alone sanctioning Russia will not have a huge impact without Europe also doing it.

Arguing about military strength between Russia and the U.S. is laughable. Very, very, very few people actually know about the true strength of each other's military might. In the case of Russia and America it won't be the land troops, air force or navy that will decide the outcome. The outcome will be decided by each nations ICBM's, SLBM's, SSBN's and their defense systems against them. Fact is if a war breaks out between Russia and the U.S. the whole world is F***ed because both nations have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the whole wold.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

D2D is really giving Russia too much credit. The US would wipe the floor with Russia; Putin can have all the tanks he wants, it won't mean shit when the AirForce is assfucking them from the sky. And they WOULD get fucked up on all fronts.

The US navy has 10 aircraft carriers + their fleets. Russia has 1 shitty carrier.

Stop this hypothetical Russia superpower bullshit. Putin likes to remind people every decade that Russia has a military (see the Georgia situation from 6 years ago). No one really gives a fuck, because Russia isn't dumb enough to start a war.

I guess these means Russia doesn't have an airforce. SMFH. Germany thought the same thing. Underestimate Russians and they'll wipe the floor with you. The world and the US in particular at this point in time, are weak, both morally and from wars. Obama is a fag. Russia is not scared of that waffling piece of shit. Russia will do what it wants and no one will do anything about it. We can only hope it chooses to remain a nation of the world and not devolve into a renegade threat that will need to be dealt with.

You are fucking stupid. The US airforce today is far superior to Russia's. This isn't the Cold War anymore. Do you realize what a carrier fleet entails?

Russia has nowhere near that kind of technology. The navy and airforce would win control of the skies and it would be all over for your favorite commies.

You morons need to learn that Obama is not the chief strategist for a potential US war. He would have nothing to do with the outcome of a US vs Russia engagement. It would have everything to do with the US AirForce vs the Russian AF. My money is on the US.

You fags should just move to Russia - things are going great over there!!

Airforces don't win wars. Ground forces do. HTH.

And with that, what little credibility you had left just went out the window

Your credibility walked out the door the moment you spoke up in this thread.

No one agrees with you besides D2D.

That should tell you all you need to know about the validity of your arguments

HuskiesADW said:

Ukraine is a s*** hole because of the corruption by their leaders. Southern Ukraine is agriculturally rich (enough to essentially feed the world). There is a reason why in every invasion of Russia, Ukraine was immediately targeted. Eastern Ukraine also has a lot of valuable natural resources.

I am Ukrainian and know what is going on there from the relatives who still live there. Honestly from what I gather Ukraine will break apart. Crimea first and than followed by Donetsk and Kharkov. At that point neither the U.S. or Europe will give two S***s about Ukraine. They just want to get their hands on Southern/Eastern Ukraine and gain their agriculture for their own benefit. That is the only reason Europe or the U.S. is making a huge issue about what is going on in Ukraine.

I also laugh at the proposed sanctions against Russia by Europe/US. Russia is a nation that is hard to sanction because of their wealth of natural resources. Europe will not do it as Russia will shut down the flow of natural gas into Europe. That will hurt Europe's economy more than sanctions will hurt Russia's. The United States alone sanctioning Russia will not have a huge impact without Europe also doing it.

Arguing about military strength between Russia and the U.S. is laughable. Very, very, very few people actually know about the true strength of each other's military might. In the case of Russia and America it won't be the land troops, air force or navy that will decide the outcome. The outcome will be decided by each nations ICBM's, SLBM's, SSBN's and their defense systems against them. Fact is if a war breaks out between Russia and the U.S. the whole world is F***ed because both nations have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the whole wold.

While I agree it is stupid to compare military might while ignoring nuclear weapons, the fact is that the US Navy and AF is better equipped than the Russian's.

In a total war scenario, one US carrier fleet could destroy an entire country, Russia and China notwithstanding. Ten of them could send Russia and China to the apocalypse.

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

HuskiesADW said:

Ukraine is a s*** hole because of the corruption by their leaders. Southern Ukraine is agriculturally rich (enough to essentially feed the world). There is a reason why in every invasion of Russia, Ukraine was immediately targeted. Eastern Ukraine also has a lot of valuable natural resources.

I am Ukrainian and know what is going on there from the relatives who still live there. Honestly from what I gather Ukraine will break apart. Crimea first and than followed by Donetsk and Kharkov. At that point neither the U.S. or Europe will give two S***s about Ukraine. They just want to get their hands on Southern/Eastern Ukraine and gain their agriculture for their own benefit. That is the only reason Europe or the U.S. is making a huge issue about what is going on in Ukraine.

I also laugh at the proposed sanctions against Russia by Europe/US. Russia is a nation that is hard to sanction because of their wealth of natural resources. Europe will not do it as Russia will shut down the flow of natural gas into Europe. That will hurt Europe's economy more than sanctions will hurt Russia's. The United States alone sanctioning Russia will not have a huge impact without Europe also doing it.

Arguing about military strength between Russia and the U.S. is laughable. Very, very, very few people actually know about the true strength of each other's military might. In the case of Russia and America it won't be the land troops, air force or navy that will decide the outcome. The outcome will be decided by each nations ICBM's, SLBM's, SSBN's and their defense systems against them. Fact is if a war breaks out between Russia and the U.S. the whole world is F***ed because both nations have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the whole wold.

While I agree it is stupid to compare military might while ignoring nuclear weapons, the fact is that the US Navy and AF is better equipped than the Russian's.

In a total war scenario, one US carrier fleet could destroy an entire country, Russia and China notwithstanding. Ten of them could send Russia and China to the apocalypse.

And while you're busy sending them to the 'apocalypse,' MacArthur, they've nuked Seattle, Los Angeles, SFO, etc. from secret bases we don't know exist.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

HuskiesADW said:

Ukraine is a s*** hole because of the corruption by their leaders. Southern Ukraine is agriculturally rich (enough to essentially feed the world). There is a reason why in every invasion of Russia, Ukraine was immediately targeted. Eastern Ukraine also has a lot of valuable natural resources.

I am Ukrainian and know what is going on there from the relatives who still live there. Honestly from what I gather Ukraine will break apart. Crimea first and than followed by Donetsk and Kharkov. At that point neither the U.S. or Europe will give two S***s about Ukraine. They just want to get their hands on Southern/Eastern Ukraine and gain their agriculture for their own benefit. That is the only reason Europe or the U.S. is making a huge issue about what is going on in Ukraine.

I also laugh at the proposed sanctions against Russia by Europe/US. Russia is a nation that is hard to sanction because of their wealth of natural resources. Europe will not do it as Russia will shut down the flow of natural gas into Europe. That will hurt Europe's economy more than sanctions will hurt Russia's. The United States alone sanctioning Russia will not have a huge impact without Europe also doing it.

Arguing about military strength between Russia and the U.S. is laughable. Very, very, very few people actually know about the true strength of each other's military might. In the case of Russia and America it won't be the land troops, air force or navy that will decide the outcome. The outcome will be decided by each nations ICBM's, SLBM's, SSBN's and their defense systems against them. Fact is if a war breaks out between Russia and the U.S. the whole world is F***ed because both nations have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the whole wold.

While I agree it is stupid to compare military might while ignoring nuclear weapons, the fact is that the US Navy and AF is better equipped than the Russian's.

In a total war scenario, one US carrier fleet could destroy an entire country, Russia and China notwithstanding. Ten of them could send Russia and China to the apocalypse.

And while you're busy sending them to the 'apocalypse,' MacArthur, they've nuked Seattle, Los Angeles, SFO, etc. from secret bases we don't know exist.

For the 3rd time, I'm not taking nuclear weapons into consideration in this hypothetical. Christ.

sarktastic said:

I like to engage in hypothetical war scenerio's and ignore the most powerful weapons systems of one side and draw conclusions. It's what I like to do.

There is no realistic war scenario when nuclear weapons are taken into consideration.

HTH

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

HuskiesADW said:

Ukraine is a s*** hole because of the corruption by their leaders. Southern Ukraine is agriculturally rich (enough to essentially feed the world). There is a reason why in every invasion of Russia, Ukraine was immediately targeted. Eastern Ukraine also has a lot of valuable natural resources.

I am Ukrainian and know what is going on there from the relatives who still live there. Honestly from what I gather Ukraine will break apart. Crimea first and than followed by Donetsk and Kharkov. At that point neither the U.S. or Europe will give two S***s about Ukraine. They just want to get their hands on Southern/Eastern Ukraine and gain their agriculture for their own benefit. That is the only reason Europe or the U.S. is making a huge issue about what is going on in Ukraine.

I also laugh at the proposed sanctions against Russia by Europe/US. Russia is a nation that is hard to sanction because of their wealth of natural resources. Europe will not do it as Russia will shut down the flow of natural gas into Europe. That will hurt Europe's economy more than sanctions will hurt Russia's. The United States alone sanctioning Russia will not have a huge impact without Europe also doing it.

Arguing about military strength between Russia and the U.S. is laughable. Very, very, very few people actually know about the true strength of each other's military might. In the case of Russia and America it won't be the land troops, air force or navy that will decide the outcome. The outcome will be decided by each nations ICBM's, SLBM's, SSBN's and their defense systems against them. Fact is if a war breaks out between Russia and the U.S. the whole world is F***ed because both nations have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the whole wold.

While I agree it is stupid to compare military might while ignoring nuclear weapons, the fact is that the US Navy and AF is better equipped than the Russian's.

In a total war scenario, one US carrier fleet could destroy an entire country, Russia and China notwithstanding. Ten of them could send Russia and China to the apocalypse.

And while you're busy sending them to the 'apocalypse,' MacArthur, they've nuked Seattle, Los Angeles, SFO, etc. from secret bases we don't know exist.

For the 3rd time, I'm not taking nuclear weapons into consideration in this hypothetical. Christ.

Sorry dude, but you can't remove the most important part of the equation from the problem and expect to get a hypothetical result that would be anything close to reality.

sarktastic said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

sarktastic said:

I like to engage in hypothetical war scenerio's and ignore the most powerful weapons systems of one side and draw conclusions. It's what I like to do.

There is no realistic war scenario when nuclear weapons are taken into consideration.

HTH

Which is exactly why there will be no war with Russia.

I realize that.

It's still fun to discuss

d2d said:

allpurpleallgold said:

So are you going to answer Mad Sons question or not?

We have removed all our tactical nuclear weapons from our NATO allies' countries along with all our armored units. The Army is being neutered. Obubba didn't start this mess, but he certainly accelerated it, and FOR SURE isn't doing anything to correct the situation.

Poland can't buy missile defenses from us, nor are they allowed to buy surplus M1 tanks. They buy their tanks from Germany. Obubba doesn't want to stop Putin. He's not even going to try. He STILL isn't going to National Security briefings.

The only option to stopping Putin from invading Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, etc., is to use ICBM's. Not a viable option.

BUT OBUBBA KILLED BIN LADEN! So what has he done for you lately?

Ok, so your solution is to start lobbing ICBMs at Russia starting yesterday. Got it.

I am thankful Obama is president and not you.