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Shell and Exxon's secret 1980s climate change warnings

Gwad
Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

Although the details of global warming were foreign to most people in the 1980s, among the few who had a better idea than most were the companies contributing the most to it. Despite scientific uncertainties, the bottom line was this: oil firms recognized that their products added CO2 to the atmosphere, understood that this would lead to warming, and calculated the likely consequences. And then they chose to accept those risks on our behalf, at our expense, and without our knowledge.

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,941 Founders Club
    Saddle up your horse
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Gwad said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

    Although the details of global warming were foreign to most people in the 1980s, among the few who had a better idea than most were the companies contributing the most to it. Despite scientific uncertainties, the bottom line was this: oil firms recognized that their products added CO2 to the atmosphere, understood that this would lead to warming, and calculated the likely consequences. And then they chose to accept those risks on our behalf, at our expense, and without our knowledge.

    Then paid off politicians to convince the simple minded that global warming is a fraud.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

    Although the details of global warming were foreign to most people in the 1980s, among the few who had a better idea than most were the companies contributing the most to it. Despite scientific uncertainties, the bottom line was this: oil firms recognized that their products added CO2 to the atmosphere, understood that this would lead to warming, and calculated the likely consequences. And then they chose to accept those risks on our behalf, at our expense, and without our knowledge.

    Then paid off politicians to convince the simple minded that global warming is a fraud.
    How much did they pay the simple minded to convince Obama ran on single payer?
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    Ignore the fact literally none of their predictions came true (meter level sea level rise, desert conditions in the Midwest, etc) and you have something there.

  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,015 Standard Supporter

    Ignore the fact literally none of their predictions came true (meter level sea level rise, desert conditions in the Midwest, etc) and you have something there.

    Yes, I think gwad did in fact, ignore the fact that literally none of their predictions came true.

    All globalism worshipers seem to ignore facts.
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    lol all their predictions are dated after the current year we are in.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,015 Standard Supporter
    I know. All those "dated" predictions in the 21st century have not come to pass either.

    Aren't you supposed to be moving inland? I thought the coasts were all going to be underwater by now. All of our crops dead, Armageddon, mass hysteria, oh the horror!!!!!

    How many more missed predicted catastrophes until you start to FEEL like you have been played? How many more "statistically adjusted" skewed "data" events need to happen before you start questioning the honesty of the globalism crowd?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,941 Founders Club
    11 years


    It will all be over soon
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I know. All those "dated" predictions in the 21st century have not come to pass either.

    Aren't you supposed to be moving inland? I thought the coasts were all going to be underwater by now. All of our crops dead, Armageddon, mass hysteria, oh the horror!!!!!

    How many more missed predicted catastrophes until you start to FEEL like you have been played? How many more "statistically adjusted" skewed "data" events need to happen before you start questioning the honesty of the globalism crowd?

    One can ignore the hysteria from blowhards and actually listen to what the scientists say. You do realize that basically the only people who say global warming is a myth are journalists and politicians, right? And the people who actually study the climate for a living pretty much all agree that global warming is real.

    But yes you aren't getting played at all.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,941 Founders Club
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,250 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

    Although the details of global warming were foreign to most people in the 1980s, among the few who had a better idea than most were the companies contributing the most to it. Despite scientific uncertainties, the bottom line was this: oil firms recognized that their products added CO2 to the atmosphere, understood that this would lead to warming, and calculated the likely consequences. And then they chose to accept those risks on our behalf, at our expense, and without our knowledge.

    I like to blame the drug dealer rather than the user.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,121 Founders Club
    I always enjoy the bandwagon fallacy and the screams of science from the socialist left.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,793 Standard Supporter
    Every decade they some up with a new scheme to take money from the populace. Nothing new.
  • USMChawk
    USMChawk Member Posts: 1,800
    Is Gwad and OBK alt?
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,469 Founders Club
    USMChawk said:

    Is Gwad and OBK alt?

    no chance.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,793 Standard Supporter
    Gwad said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

    Although the details of global warming were foreign to most people in the 1980s, among the few who had a better idea than most were the companies contributing the most to it. Despite scientific uncertainties, the bottom line was this: oil firms recognized that their products added CO2 to the atmosphere, understood that this would lead to warming, and calculated the likely consequences. And then they chose to accept those risks on our behalf, at our expense, and without our knowledge.

    I knew the article was fucked as soon as I read the words "amoral military".

    That and no one but liberal climate change loons seem to know this document exists. Most likely it's made up bullshit by the climate change loons.